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Old 11-25-2011   #1
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Default الحق باغتصاب الزوجة

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أما وقد سئمنا من حقيقة أننا من "14 آذار" وأننا من "8 آذار"، ولم ننجح في نفس الوقت في احداث انشقاق عن هذا الوعي البائس، فلا بأس من إجراء تمارين على هامش هذا الاخفاق الكبير.

التقى نواب من حزب الله ومن تيار المستقبل ومن التيار الوطني الحر على التحفظ على قانون يجرم العنف ضد المرأة. وقاد التحفظ النائب سمير الجسر من المستقبل والنائب علي عمار من حزب الله والنائب ميشال الحلو من التيار الوطني الحر. هذا اللقاء الافتراضي يسمح لنا بأن نطلق خيالنا على نحو يساعدنا في إعادة تعريف هذه القوى بعيداً عن هذا الانقسام السقيم والعقيم.

هذه القوى هي الأوسع تمثيلاً في المجلس النيابي للطوائف الثلاث الكبرى في لبنان. وصحيح أن أسباب رفض مشروع القانون من قبلها تفاوت بين ما هو مخجل (موقف حزب الله) وبين تزمت دستوري لا قيمة ولا معنى له إذا ما قيس بالحاجة إلى حماية النساء من عنف أكيد تتعرض له (سمير الجسر) وبين تخبط في الخيارات مثّله انقسام العونيين حول مشروع القانون، فرفضته للمفارقة النائبة جيلبيرت زوين، وتهرب من دعمه للمفارقة أيضاً النائب غسان مخيبر، ووقف الى جانبه للمفارقة أيضاً وأيضاً النائب نبيل نقولا، لكن يبقى أن الكتل الثلاث التقت على رفضها مشروع قانون حماية المرأة من العنف الأسري. وما التعديلات التي أجريت على مشروع القانون إلا مجرّد إجهاض شبه كامل لمضمونه. فقد ألغي من مشروع القانون مثلاً البند المتعلق بتجريم الزوج مغتصب زوجته، واقتصر العقاب على من "أرغم غير زوجته على الجماع". أما زوجته فهي من حقه... يغتصبها إذا شاء! على ما ينطوي التعديل من دون أن ينصّ.

وفق معايير إنسانية بديهية، يعتبر الانقسام اللبناني الراهن بين 8 و14 آذار أقل جوهرية من الانقسام حول حق أو عدم حق أكثر من 50 في المئة من اللبنانيين في الحماية من العنف اليومي، ونعني هنا المرأة طبعاً. 8 و14 آذار منقسمون حول سلاح حزب الله وحول العلاقة مع النظام في سورية وحول المحكمة الدولية، وهذه انقسامات طفيفة اذا ما قيست بعدم حسم الموقف من "حق الرجل في اغتصاب زوجته". فنحن نحمل السلاح لمنع إسرائيل من "اغتصاب" أرضنا، وفي نفس الوقت نعطي الحق لرجالـ"نا" باغتصاب نسائهم، ونحن تظاهرنا لسحب الجيش السوري الذي انتهك سيادتنا في وقت نمنع فيه قانوناً يحد من انتهاك أجسام مواطنات في بلدنا.

أليس حرياً والحال هذه أن تحالفاً "موضوعياً" يجب أن يضم الكتل الثلاث، انسجاماً مع التقائها على موضوع يفوق موضوع خلافها جوهرية. فما قيمة "مقاومة مغتصبي الأرض" إذا كنا نُشرع اغتصاب الزوجات، وما معنى السيادة على التراب إذا كانت مفقودة على الاجسام.

قد يقول قائل وهو محق، إن السلاح ليس لتحرير الأرض، وأن السيادة المرتجاة لم تكن أكثر من انفعالٍ عابر على جريمة ارتكبت، لكن حتى ذلك ليس كافياً لهضم هذا العار، فالنقاش هنا يدور حول "حق الزوج في اغتصاب زوجته"، حول الحق بالاغتصاب. فما قيمة أيّ خلاف آخر اذا اتفقنا على "الحق بالاغتصاب".
source: http://www.nowlebanon.com/arabic/New...aspx?ID=335815
they couldn't find anythign in the bible or in the quraan that says raping your wife is a sin, so it must be ok. if she doesn't want to, just smack her around byemché l7al, that's what jesus would have done


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now this's one of the most stupid thing I've ever read... enno why would a wife refuse to sleep with her husbund ? sex is a part of a good marriage, the couple should be satisfied with each other, if she doesn't want to, then she should ask for divorce ...
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now this's one of the most stupid thing I've ever read... enno why would a wife refuse to sleep with her husbund ? sex is a part of a good marriage, the couple should be satisfied with each other, if she doesn't want to, then she should ask for divorce ...
so the husband can rape his wife??

enno bya3mella kaffen and he rapes her and she has no legal claim? what is she a dog?

marriage is not a transfer of ownership of one's body
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so the husband can rape his wife??

enno bya3mella kaffen and he rapes her and she has no legal claim? what is she a dog?

marriage is not a transfer of ownership of one's body
كيف بيعرف هو إنو هي منا عم تتمنيك؟ بركي صارت تتمنيك وما تخلي ينام معها؟
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first of all, I've never heard of such thing ever happenned
2nd, there's no logical reason for her not to sleep with her husband... enno I'm trying to imagine this situation in my head but it doesn't make any sence, I'm sorry, it's just silly ...
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Tab Hassan what if she doesn't feel like it!

Anno they can do it whenever they both feel like it...Not when he does only nor when she does only...

People are so stupid saying if that "info" doesn't figure in the Quraan or in the Bible, we should be okay that a man can rape his wife whenever he feel like it.

Anno seriously what if she's pragnant and tired and doesn't want to have sex?! :P Aw coming back after work and physically exhausted bas la2 he wants to do that...


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if she doesn't want to, just smack her around byemché l7al, that's what jesus would have done
Mmm sorry but didn't like that sentence...
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first of all, I've never heard of such thing ever happenned
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a woman being abused by her husband won't tell you about it

studies show that rape crimes are less likely to be reported, and even lesser if it is domestic violence... doesn't mean you shouldn't care

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2nd, there's no logical reason for her not to sleep with her husband... enno I'm trying to imagine this situation in my head but it doesn't make any sence, I'm sorry, it's just silly ...
there could be a billion reason why not, she is sick, she doesn't feel well, she doesn't love him her parents forced her to marry him... etc. why is it relevant?

do you ask a rapist "why did you do the crime? what was the victim wearing?" would you sympathize with him?

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كيف بيعرف هو إنو هي منا عم تتمنيك؟ بركي صارت تتمنيك وما تخلي ينام معها؟
he's not supposed to know


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Mmm sorry but didn't like that sentence...
Religious laws and religious politicians are why Lebanon is a dump.
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Religious laws and religious politicians are why Lebanon is a dump.

Mmm okay but that doesn't inform me why you said such thing about Jesus...

Can I get more explanation if you may?
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First of all why would a man who respects his wife rap her ? it's called marriage for a reason .. and they should discus it first eno why won't she sleeps with him and that kind of stuff !

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man the whole problem was conflict with religion, 5 month ago the people asking for this law had to justify themselves because they were accused enno this law "5ourouj 3an el din"

in all religions al rajol ra2es el mar2a and stuff like that, and a woman's job is to obey without question. this is how religion is involved, this is what was deduced from the good books, that it is ok for the man to do whatever to his wife.

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First of all why would a man who respects his wife rap her ? it's called marriage for a reason .. and they should discus it first eno why won't she sleeps with him and that kind of stuff !
why are you assuming he respects her? why is the issue if she is sleeping with him or not? she does not want to, it's not his right to rape her. it could be a billion reason. maybe he gets drunk, maybe he does drugs, maybe az3ar. she gets 0 protection from the law
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