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Old 12-27-2007   #21
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That's not a source.. these are stars to avoid the limited characters option
I came to realize that. I was asking about the random text you quoted. You know that a book does not overrule the constitution, don't you?


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I came to realize that. I was asking about the random text you quoted. You know that a book does not overrule the constitution, don't you?
That's not a book nor a speech.. it was a legal constitutional part that was adopted as a "3eref dostouri" attached to the Lebanese constitution.. It is totally legal and worked upon legally..
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Omeros your problem is that you don't read.. you know less than 1% about this topic and you come here to debate.. you go and read and avoid this speech online.. you know nothing about it..
اذا اتتك مذمتي من ناقص فهي الشهادة باني كامل ....

مشكلتي ؟ لا اعتقد انه من شانك ان تحلل ماهية المشكلة .. انا قلت لك ان ما عرضته كاثبات على ان الرئيس مسيحي هو تحليلا شخصيا ... وهذا التحليل الشخصي يقابله تحليلات شخصية اخرى تتناقض معه ... اذا ان اخذت ذاك التحليل بعين الاعتبار اليس عليك اعادة النظر بمادئ جمة ؟ منها العلمانية فاتفاق الطائف يهدف الى فرض العلمانية فلو كنا او كان الدستور " ينص " على هذا الامر ايكون الطائف الذي عدل الدستور تعديلا للدستور مقبل ... فبالتالي ايكون الطائف مناقض للدستور ؟

اما ما ذكرته
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c'est conventionel .... " mouta3araf 3alayh " ... et dans la convention ya pas de constitution .... c'est quelque chose de connu par la societe "3eref" or la seul chose qui peut detruire la convention selon la loi c'est la loi meme .....
وما ورد عن الرئيس المسيحي ... هو في الميثاق الوطني:
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That's not a book nor a speech.. it was a legal constitutional part that was adopted as a "3eref dostouri" attached to the Lebanese constitution.. It is totally legal and worked upon legally..

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الميثاق الوطني هو الإتفاق غير المكتوب التي نظم اسس الحكم في لبنان عام 1943 وما زال يؤثر في سياستها حالياً. وبعد المفاوضات بين قيادات الشيعة والسنية والمارونية نشأ هذا الميثاق الوطني الذي سمح للبنان بالاستقلال من الحماية الفرنسية. ومن بين نقاط هذا الإتفاق:
  • يجب ان يكون رئيس الدولة اللبنانية مارونيا.
  • يجب ان يكون رئيس الوزراء سنيا.
  • يجب ان يكون رئيس المجلس الوطني شيعيا.
  • يجب ان يكون نائب رئيس البرلمان اللبناني من كنيسة اليونان الأرثودوكس.
  • يجب ان يكون نسبة نواب برلمان المسيحيين والمسلمين 5:6 على التوالي.
  • قبول المارونيين الهوية الوطنية العربية بدلا من الهوية ال"غربية"

المسيحية التي ظهرت في إحصاء السكان عام 1932 حصلت الجالية المارونية على معظم الصلاحيات في الدولة الجديدة. ولكن تغير الواقع الديموغرافي في لبنان وتعاظم الإستياء من الحكومات المتعاقبة بالإضافة إلى الفوارق الطائفية أدى غلى قيام الحرب الأهلية اللبنانية.
وبسبب الأغلبية

اتفاق الطائف عام 1990 غير نسبة النواب في البرلمان إلى 50:50 بين المسيحيين والمسلمين وقلل من صلاحيات الرئيس الماروني


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اذا اتتك مذمتي من ناقص فهي الشهادة باني كامل ....
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يا شيخ امين بالصدق بتوصل لتحت زنّاري

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يا شيخ امين بالصدق بتوصل لتحت زنّاري

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انه واقع .. وفي الوقائع لا نقاش في الكذب او الصدق...
ما انا عرضته واقع : اعرض ما عندك من وقائع ! لا تحليلات شخصية وحكي نسوان ! .

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انه واقع .. وفي الوقائع لا نقاش في الكذب او الصدق...
ما انا عرضته واقع : اعرض ما عندك من وقائع ! لا تحليلات شخصية وحكي نسوان ! .

It is a fact, and i stated my source.. even if you are not willing to state that it is.. it changes nothing.. that's the combination of your country..
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It is a fact, and i stated my source.. even if you are not willing to state that it is.. it changes nothing.. that's the combination of your country..
اذا كان متعارف عليه ... واصبح واقعا ... وانت معترف بالواقع ... لم تحمل شعار التيار الوطني الحر ؟ هيك موضة او رفقة الشباب حلوي؟
اذا انت تقول ان هذا الامر :"المتعارف عليه " ( اي يمكن تغيره ) بات امرا واقعا لم تحمل علم التيار الذي يختذل خلفه برنامج عمل اساسه العلمانية واساسه التغيير والاصلاح ... الا يقع التغيير ضمن سياق هذا الواقع ..

هناك فرق بين :
fact
and reality ! what ur talking about is the reality not a fact ( the fact is something scientific !

so :
the fact that this is conventional ya3ne we can change it
the reality is :
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that's the combination of your country..

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Old 12-27-2007   #28
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يا شيخ امين بالصدق بتوصل لتحت زنّاري

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LOL!
And you are proud of this sentence?
Disrespect like this as well as sectarianism blew up FPM long time ago..

Weird how some people follow blindly without daring to criticize.. Only in sheep-land Lebanon.

As for the debate going on here, you did not provide any valid argument to support your claim. As far as I know, the "3eref" is not a written text.

No since you "know" and you "have read" well, can you please

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On September 1, 1920, General Gouraud proclaimed the establishment of Greater Lebanon with its present boundaries and with Beirut as its capital. The first Lebanese constitution was promulgated on May 23, 1926, and subsequently amended several times; it was still in effect as of late 1987. Modeled after that of the French Third Republic, it provided for a unicameral parliament called the Chamber of Deputies, a president, and a Council of Ministers, or cabinet. The president was to be elected by the Chamber of Deputies for one six-year term and could not be reelected until a six-year period had elapsed; deputies were to be popularly elected along confessional lines. The first and only complete census that had been held in Lebanon as of 1987 took place in 1932 and resulted in the custom of selecting major political officers according to the proportion of the principal sects in the population (see The Basis of Government, ch. 4). Thus, the president was to be a Maronite Christian, the prime minister a Sunni Muslim, and the speaker of the Chamber of Deputies a Shia Muslim
Side note.. This is your source:

"A Country Study: Lebanon Library of Congress Call Number DS80 .L39 1989"
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Chapter 4 - Government and Politics (As’ad AbuKhalil)
o The Basis of Government
+ The Constitution
+ The National Pact
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mmm... Interesting source from the Lebanese Constitution itself!
Ya khayyeh show us the part in the constitution that states your claims, bala these sources!

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