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Old 10-06-2012   #41
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join us, we're discussing a new form of a forum and we're now discussing how to procede, yalla, natrinak
as i said i am ready to host the new forum


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Ma ba3ref l general chou 3am ya3mel hal iyem!!
It is really sad to see fpm arrogance blind the top leaders specially GMA who was our main inspiration for the past 20 years.

All i can say RIP FPM they will not get my vote, it seems the 100$ from hariristan is more real than the morals that FPM has been speaking abt for 20 years,
Its looks that we were just a tool for some personal benefits

2oul min el awal biddak hal 100 dollar wbala kil hal 3aj2a. It is okay, ma tistehe el ness 3am t2ajjir 7ala kirmel 100 dollar.
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the FB page is an opportunity to chat, to have fun. the serious stuff is in a forum. we have a good chance we can use this one, we can't waste a lot of time searching for other alternatives, we don't want to lose the orange room active members.

together with the current members of the vcoderz forum we can make it. let it be from zero, why not? the hot topics of the orange room are well known, let's open them here.
Yalla, good news.. wait for something very innovative and creative
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as i said i am ready to host the new forum
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Yeah From now on ma fiye et7rakk ull catch me kif ma bebrom
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تسببت الضغوط التي مارسها قياديون في التيار الوطني الحر على محرري موقع
http://forum.tayyar.org/
أو ما اصطلح على تسميته " الغرفة البرتقالية "، الى إقفال موقع الغرفة وشطبه من موقع التيار الحر من قبل المحررين، الذين رفضوا توجيهات القيادة القاضية بعدم نشر أي مادة لا تخضع للرقابة الصارمة من قبل كوادر التيار. علماً أنّ هذه الغرفة تأسست قبل نحو عشر سنوات كغرفة نقاش الكتروني، يساهم في النقاش على صفحاتها ناشطون من مختلف التيارات والاحزاب اللبنانية، ما أدّى الى توسع عدد أعضائها ليبلغ 22 ألفاً، شاركوا في الكتابة التفاعلية، فيما بلغ عدد الزوّار الدائمين نحو 83 ألفاً.

محرّرو الغرفة اعتبروا أنّ التدخلات المستمرة، التي باشرتها قيادة التيار منذ العام 2007 ، أدّت الى ضرب الفكرة التي نشأت على أساسها الغرفة، بل ضرب القضية التي آمنوا بها، وهي حرية الفكر والتعبير والديموقراطية، وتقبّل الرأي الآخر، فتحوّلت الى قمع ورفض رأي ناشطين من حزب " الكتائب " و" القوات اللبنانية "، بل وأكثر من ذلك تريد شطب أي رأي أو مقال يوضع على هذه الصفحة لا يتناسب مع سياسة التيار أو زعيمه، على الرغم من الرقابة المشدّدة التي كان يفرضها المحررون على كل إساءة لأي زعيم أو سياسي.

ويرى ناشط عوني على صلة وثيقة بإدارة المنتدى أنّ القياديين في التيار "ما عادت تهمّهم المبادئ والقيم، وخصوصاً المسؤولين عن موقع التيار الحر والمحطة البرتقالية، وهم استبدلوا الحرية بالمال، والديموقراطية بالسلطة والنفوذ ليقنعوا محرري المنتدى المتطوعين، بأنّهم لا يملكون المال الكافي لدعم المنتدى".

وتابع، "انها نهاية حزينة لعشر سنوات من العمل الدؤوب من أجل قول الحق والحقيقة، عملنا خلالها متطوعين من مختلف الدول، أي لبنان، وكندا واستراليا ودبي وغيرها من الدول. دفعنا النفقات من حسابنا الخاص، وضحّينا بوقتنا وعائلاتنا من أجل هدف سامٍ، جمع كل المذاهب والمعتقدات، وكل التيارات والاحزاب ألا وهو "حرية التعبير"، إلى ان أتى بعض القياديين من ناكري الجميل ليخنقوا حريتنا، وليقمعوا كلماتنا تحت عنوان الكيدية والمصلحة العونية السياسية".

وشرح الناشط أهمية هذا المنتدى على صعيد نقل الاحداث والاخبار في أحداث " نهر البارد" والانتخابات في العام 2009، حيث كان المنتدى مصدراً لصحافيين ولمواقع الكترونية إخبارية.

أضاف، "طبعاً، لم تكن حجّتهم مقنعة، ولم يكن تحدّيهم وعنادهم أقوى، أحببنا التيار الحرّ من أجل الجنرال وليس من أجل كوادره ومسؤوليه. وأحببنا الجنرال لمعتقداته وأفكاره الحرّة والجريئة. اليوم، يريدون منّا التخلي عن كل ما آمنّا به ليقولوا للعالم : "نحن أو لا أحد"، إلاّ أنّهم لم ولن يحصلوا على مبتغاهم. وُجد هذا المنتدى من اجل حرية التعبير والرأي وأغلقناه تحت هذا الشعار كي نبقى نحن العونيين الاصيلين وهم المنشقون".

وختم: "نسوا الشعب الذي منه انبثقوا ولأجله وُجدوا، وهرولوا وراء المال ظنّاً منهم أنّه سيدوم لهم ومن خلاله سيحصلون على المجد، لكّننا سنذكرهم أنّ الانتخابات قادمة وأنّ مالهم ومصالحهم فانية وأنّ كلمة الحق باقي
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Today is a sad day but i don't feel sad, i feel proud for what i achieved, i never cared for what people thought about it, i fought several battles to keep it alive and never asked for anything in return, instead of building a career, i spent years building it.

It's been some time that i knew this day will come, but this time i don't feel it's worth the fight anymore, when you jump into the ocean you can't blame the sharks for eating you, I made a mistake when i gifted it to the "institution", it all went downhill from there on, it says a lot when a nobody like myself along with unorganized group of individuals from different ages, backgrounds, beliefs and from all over the world succeeded big time but "supposedly an organized" institution failed.

Closing the page on 10 years is not easy, but it's time for me to move on, memories will stay forever, over thousands of great friends will also stay forever, there are hundreds of names in my mind i want to thank but many of them will not even be here to read it, so THANK YOU all one by one for being part of a great success, what we achieved during those years and during different events was nothing short of magical, i don't want to talk details but Nahr el Bered coverage (and all those who copied from us) was the first time in the Arab World that such an event got such coverage, in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, no one came close to even match the Israeli propaganda, we crushed them on our own in the summer of 2006, as for what we did for the institution, I don't know and nobody will ever know if we played any part in any of the successful achievements but i know one thing, we did clean their mess and we did it many times.


I can easily move it back to where it was back in 2002 but why should I? I finally feel free and i longer have to clean anyone's mess and most importantly, I don't want to defend the mistakes and "fight" the wrong causes.

I don't know where will i end up, but I am going to give up on so many things, starting with the "institution" and most probably the shithole (AKA Lebanon) itself, Canada, USA, Australia, UAE and Qatar are all options but i also realize how this past 10 years i ignored many people who love me, i might stick around for now, just for my family and friends.
There is a 90% chance Hagop himself made the interview with Lebanon Now, its very obvious; the FPM officials who closed the forum are completely aware of the fact i'm sure.

He went too far criticizing FPM and its leaders, there is no turning back after the above heavy calliber, he took it out of proportion he's claiming he never acknowledged much of FPM's positions post-2005 yet had to grasp it, those are some serious confessions. Hagop knows he has no chance, otherwise he wouldn't have went this far, he knows FPM is no easy take and doesn't forgive easy.

To those hoping to re-open the forum under different hosting, you know very well that FPM was the main drive behind the daily bulk of visitors of the forum; once you're independent of FPM you'll automaticaly turn into a close club of those disapointed people that used to be heavy users of the forum.tayyar.org.

We all met new people there, we all had it as part of our lives, everyone has their passionate story to tell i'm sure. We have to move on.

Hope i don't come on hard now, i'm just trying to be the voice of reason.

no hard feelings,

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n72, no one made an interview with NOW Lebanon, they translated Hagop's message. If you read both versions you could easily conclude that NOW people are either stupid, or playing a bad game.
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n72, no one made an interview with NOW Lebanon, they translated Hagop's message. If you read both versions you could easily conclude that NOW people are either stupid, or playing a bad game.
Check again, there is some detailed info in the NOW Lebanon article not mentioned in Hagop's note on facebook, such as the FPM intended to close the forum ever since 2007 and taught the forum administration that it didn't have the necessary funds to keep the forum running, that unless NOW Lebanon is making up stories and fishing in troubled waters.

Still, Hagop says FPM is a failed institution for which he unwillingly had to fight the wrong causes in the past few years, i mean you can't say that on your personal facebook account in public without being certain that its over and there is no turning back.
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lol , i feel bad for you people , i feel like now you dont have a home and your homeless and now you found another home , well welcome to VC , enjoy your stay .
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lol , i feel bad for you people , i feel like now you dont have a home and your homeless and now you found another home , well welcome to VC , enjoy your stay .
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Thanks for reminding us our miserable situation :P

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