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Moro 01-29-2008 04:18 PM

What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?

Moro 01-29-2008 04:24 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD a7la chi bet3a2id

xcoder 01-29-2008 04:38 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
loool man, u're acting like egyptien reporters they ask the question then reply themselves:hawhaw: j/k.
I doubt anyone would prefer CRT on LCD.

Sheriff Ice 01-29-2008 04:50 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD much more slimer and lighter,
but CRT is more efficiant and ages longer that LCD
the CRT have higher image quality and much more high resolutions
CRT dont have Angle of view problems

but the LCD screens are improving with time,
i think LCD will be more realible

so i choose LCD i think i need more space on my desk

xcoder 01-29-2008 04:55 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Originally Posted by icemaker (Post 120432)
LCD much more slimer and lighter,
but CRT is more efficiant and ages longer that LCD
the CRT have higher image quality and much more high resolutions
CRT dont have Angle of view problems

but the LCD screens are improving with time,
i think LCD will be more realible

so i choose LCD i think i need more space on my desk

Man you gotta be kidding lol.
hala2 CRT have better image quality? that's totally the opposite!
I have 2 desktop Computers 1 with LCD monitor and the other one CRT super flat. LCD image is wayy better and clearer especially when it comes to work!
I even prefer to work on my laptop than the CRT monitor especially when it comes to design and long hours coding.

Kingroudy 01-29-2008 05:44 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
of course LCD, no question, and surely widescreen display. (19" is a greaaaaaat size)
and btw there is no longer the angle view problem with LCDs.

MARX ® 01-29-2008 06:45 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD AKEEEEEEEEDDD

Better Picture
takes less space
lighter
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SysTaMatIcS 01-29-2008 07:06 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 120437)
of course LCD, no question, and surely widescreen display. (19" is a greaaaaaat size)
and btw there is no longer the angle view problem with LCDs.

nd y the angle thing happens in the 1st place!

boudi24 01-30-2008 09:14 AM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD FOR LIFE !!! i have a 19" Samsung LCD and i had for one year it's more then great :D very good image and looks much better then CRT

MORPHEUSP 01-30-2008 01:37 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD but with a good refresh rate and response time: i am "msarsab" if it didnt have 2ms response rate i dont buy it :D thats why i have an BenQ 19" 2ms GTG

Dr.Scoo 01-30-2008 03:04 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Originally Posted by MORPHEUSP (Post 120533)
LCD but with a good refresh rate and response time: i am "msarsab" if it didnt have 2ms response rate i dont buy it :D thats why i have an BenQ 19" 2ms GTG

i have an 8 ms viewsonic, and it is not bad @ all, u saw it :D.

Kingroudy 01-30-2008 03:32 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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nd y the angle thing happens in the 1st place!
it was due to technology limitations back in time, even today's laptop suffer from this, (yes, the brightview, truebright and other bright thingys still suffer)
but of course everything is getting better with time, as technology advances.

FriendOfZeus 01-30-2008 08:54 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
Dude its known that CRT's have better image quality as they also deliver better performance. It is the recommended choice when building a gaming pc, u dont see the jaggys no angle view problems when AA crancked up, for gaming CRT is way better, for graphic design and labwork lcd would do.

Colonel 01-30-2008 09:09 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
i think that the LCD a7san bi kell chi (quality... colors ...dayen..)

MORPHEUSP 01-30-2008 09:17 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Dude its known that CRT's have better image quality as they also deliver better performance. It is the recommended choice when building a gaming pc, u dont see the jaggys no angle view problems when AA crancked up, for gaming CRT is way better, for graphic design and labwork lcd would do.
This is completely wrong Zeus

There are many other aspects which differentiate the two technologies so let’s take a peek and see what one must consider when shopping for an LCD monitor and which type has an advantage over the other.



Aesthetics: LCD monitors are aesthetically very pleasing to the eye being slim and stylish. There is no comparison with the CRT here. The current breed of LCD monitors has excellent colour combinations, and neat looking control panels. The weight of the LCD monitors is roughly 6-8 lbs for 15 inch models and slightly more for the 17 inch ones. Since it is very light it can be handled very comfortably even by a lady. Some manufacturers have come up with an outboard power supply thus reducing the thickness of the panel which now can be had at less than an inch!



Angle of view: Although the CRT monitors lead the way in this department, the viewing angle on LCD monitors is getting wider and wider and current models offer over 160 degrees. For all practical purposes that is more than sufficient for any user. Therefore the angle of view is not a major concern anymore as it used to be when LCD monitors initially emerged in the marketplace.



Colour Purity: This is where the CRT monitors take a clear advantage. However the best LCD monitors are very good and for an average user the difference is hardly noticeable in side by side comparison. The difference can vary from slight to significant depending on the quality of the LCD monitor used in comparison.



Contrast: Traditionally the CRT monitors always had better contrast and LCD monitors were lagging behind. Recently some of the best LCD monitors have come very close and according to some they match what the CRT is capable of in terms of contrast. This aspect of the monitor helps in correct tonal characteristics in low light situations. A high contrast monitor is likely to produce black as black rather than dark grey. High contrast is most important for gaming and movie playback.



Dead Pixels: What are Dead Pixels? Dead Pixels are simply pixels on the LCD monitors that do not function. Dead Pixels are not repairable hence they stay there for good. Dead Pixels can easily be identified in programs with white background; you can spot them in the same place every time you switch on your system. In the early days the issue of dead pixels on LCD monitors was a big one confronting most of the manufacturers, however, the manufacturing practices have greatly improved over time and dead pixel issue is very much controlled based on the experience gained. Still many manufacturers themselves are confused as to the Warranty Policies they need to enact for replacement of those monitors with dead pixels. The top manufacturers have no problem replacing the monitor within the warranty period. So when shopping for an LCD monitor check the dead pixel policy indicated in the warranty. Also check for dead pixels once you install it in your system. If you spot a dead pixel within the warranty period get a replacement.



Energy Requirements: LCD monitors are extremely economical when it comes to power consumption. Their consumption is in the region of 25 -50 watts compared to CRT which consume like 60-80 watts for a 15 inch model to almost 70 to 150 for 17 and 19 inch models.



Image Brightness: LCD Monitors win hands down in this department. They offer almost twice the brightness compared to the CRT monitor. If you use the system in a brightly lit room or with plenty of sunshine coming through the window LCD is the best choice.



Magnetic Interference: Again the CRT looses out in this department too. LCD monitors are not affected by the magnetic interference at all. Many of the LCD monitors come with stereo speakers built-in and need not be shielded for magnetic interference. Shielding the speakers makes them very costly, thus the savings can be either passed on to the consumer or spent by manufacturer elsewhere in a more effective way.



Response Time: As mentioned in the beginning of this article the response time of the LCD monitor is crucial for the gamers and movie buffs. Response time refers to updating of the pixel colours. Ghosting or trailing effects start to become evident when the response time slows down to 20 ms. One should definitely look for monitors offering 16ms or even 12 ms response time. We may even see monitors in near future with response times in single digits!



Screen Flicker: One of the most annoying things on the CRT monitor which we all had to suffer was the flickering effect, in other words the low refresh rates. This contributed towards headaches which users experienced on a daily basis. This aspect was also responsible for lower productivity. CRT does not have an advantage when it comes to the flickering effect. By default windows always sets the refresh rate at 60 Hz, until you install your monitor and it detects the configuration file and sets the refresh rate based on factory setting of the monitor in question. The VESA standard states that the minimum refresh rate to avoid eye strain is 72 Hz. Some of the good CRT monitors can go much higher. Ideally a refresh rate of 85 Hz should be OK for most people using 17 inch monitors. Due to difference in technology the LCD Monitors are clear winners as refresh rate is not an issue with them. Normally you get a choice of two different refresh rates on the LCD monitor but it is best to go with the recommendations of the manufacturer.


Conclusion

A quality LCD monitor nowadays is very much affordable, you certainly get your moneys worth, unlike a couple of years back when the prices were still on the higher side and the quality was nothing to write home about.



The CRT was king in all the departments. Maybe Not anymore!


Sorry for this long article but it will close the thread :D

Link: http://www.pcreview.co.uk/articles/C...ce/LCD_vs_CRT/

FriendOfZeus 01-30-2008 09:27 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Angle of view: Although the CRT monitors lead the way in this department, the viewing angle on LCD monitors is getting wider and wider and current models offer over 160 degrees. For all practical purposes that is more than sufficient for any user. Therefore the angle of view is not a major concern anymore as it used to be when LCD monitors initially emerged in the marketplace.
Dude bass in most games, when AA and anisotropic filtering arent on, ull definitvly see the difference between the two, remember im taking the subject from a gamers perspective. Of course LCD's are more practical when performing any other task, yet they dont match the CRT's in terms of quality and performance when gaming.

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Response Time: As mentioned in the beginning of this article the response time of the LCD monitor is crucial for the gamers and movie buffs. Response time refers to updating of the pixel colours. Ghosting or trailing effects start to become evident when the response time slows down to 20 ms. One should definitely look for monitors offering 16ms or even 12 ms response time. We may even see monitors in near future with response times in single digits!
The CRT also wins in this departement, a fact they failed to bring forth.

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Screen Flicker: One of the most annoying things on the CRT monitor which we all had to suffer was the flickering effect, in other words the low refresh rates. This contributed towards headaches which users experienced on a daily basis. This aspect was also responsible for lower productivity. CRT does not have an advantage when it comes to the flickering effect. By default windows always sets the refresh rate at 60 Hz, until you install your monitor and it detects the configuration file and sets the refresh rate based on factory setting of the monitor in question. The VESA standard states that the minimum refresh rate to avoid eye strain is 72 Hz. Some of the good CRT monitors can go much higher. Ideally a refresh rate of 85 Hz should be OK for most people using 17 inch monitors. Due to difference in technology the LCD Monitors are clear winners as refresh rate is not an issue with them. Normally you get a choice of two different refresh rates on the LCD monitor but it is best to go with the recommendations of the manufacturer.
Yeah some CRT monitors have a max refresh rate of 60mhz.....THE 10 YEARS OLD ONES DO!

Morpheusp i sadly failed to see how i am wrong about this issue, most of the facts they presented point out that CRT still has a slight edge over LCD

Kingroudy 01-30-2008 09:42 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Response Time: As mentioned in the beginning of this article the response time of the LCD monitor is crucial for the gamers and movie buffs. Response time refers to updating of the pixel colours. Ghosting or trailing effects start to become evident when the response time slows down to 20 ms. One should definitely look for monitors offering 16ms or even 12 ms response time. We may even see monitors in near future with response times in single digits!
OW baby:D
this article is old, all screens have 8ms as a maximum, MOST screens come with 2ms. this explains that other facts stated in the article are obsolete.
and btw, widescreen is much much much better for gaming:| have you tried this zeus? probably u didn't.

FriendOfZeus 01-30-2008 09:46 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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OW baby:D
this article is old, all screens have 8ms as a maximum, MOST screens come with 2ms. this explains that other facts stated in the article are obsolete.
and btw, widescreen is much much much better for gaming:| have you tried this zeus? probably u didn't.
No Kingroudy, never had a widescreen monitor. How is it better for gaming?

Kingroudy 01-30-2008 09:55 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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No Kingroudy, never had a widescreen monitor. How is it better for gaming?
the one who should answer is Dr.scoo, he has a 19" LCD widescreen (i have 15.4" on my laptop, but i'm not happy while gaming on it:p)

ok but from what i've seen @ scoo's PC (with 8800GT :D ) when u play on a widescreen, with correct resolution, u feel like u'r seeing more, for example, in pes2008, u see more of the pitch. in call of duty 4, u see more what's next to you.
in crysis, u get more of everything:D in company of heroes, u control the map better.
i'm not talking crap, but i think that instead of buying an xbox360 just to play one game, go pay 300$ for a very decent LCD!!!!!

Kingroudy 01-30-2008 10:12 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/imag...enware-475.jpg

if widescreen isn't better for gaming, why the hell would the Alienware guys make this doublewide screen with 4 subpanel, 2880 * 900 DLP display with LED illumination and 0.02 millisecond response time.

FriendOfZeus 01-30-2008 10:13 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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the one who should answer is Dr.scoo, he has a 19" LCD widescreen (i have 15.4" on my laptop, but i'm not happy while gaming on it:p)

ok but from what i've seen @ scoo's PC (with 8800GT :D ) when u play on a widescreen, with correct resolution, u feel like u'r seeing more, for example, in pes2008, u see more of the pitch. in call of duty 4, u see more what's next to you.
in crysis, u get more of everything:D in company of heroes, u control the map better.
i'm not talking crap, but i think that instead of buying an xbox360 just to play one game, go pay 300$ for a very decent LCD!!!!!
And 350$ for a VGA! :D
Hey Scoo, how much did u pay for that 8800GT, man the GT's are out of stock, selling like crazy.
Hmmm i'll take ur propostion into consideration, look further into it....but sadly i just cant get it now, saving for a laptop :D


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Dr.Scoo 01-31-2008 09:10 AM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Dude bass in most games, when AA and anisotropic filtering arent on, ull definitvly see the difference between the two, remember im taking the subject from a gamers perspective. Of course LCD's are more practical when performing any other task, yet they dont match the CRT's in terms of quality and performance when gaming.
a gamer perspective is not based with no anti-aliasing.:D
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And 350$ for a VGA! :D
Hey Scoo, how much did u pay for that 8800GT, man the GT's are out of stock, selling like crazy.
Hmmm i'll take ur propostion into consideration, look further into it....but sadly i just cant get it now, saving for a laptop :D
i got the VGA from USA gift:D
the best thing abt it, u go in the game option, u on't think what u should put on low, everything on the highest :D.


and widescreen BIG one is gr8 for gaming,it is made for gaming.:D

MORPHEUSP 01-31-2008 11:54 AM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
The no1 gaming screen in 2006 was a viewsonic 19" wide with 1.2ms refresh rate so now we are in 2008 DO THE MATH BABY!!!!!! and dont say that you are comparing your laptop display when it comes to gaming :D people will laugh :D:D:D:D because unless you have an alienware laptop or an xps you cant (TED7aCH your laptop in the competition) :D:D:D:D

Kingroudy 01-31-2008 03:19 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
who talked about laptop display??

P!oOo 02-01-2008 10:21 AM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
LCD cz an2a el soura w 2arfa2 :D

FriendOfZeus 02-03-2008 11:59 AM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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a gamer perspective is not based with no anti-aliasing.:D
Im talking about the jaggys an lcd displays, AA aims to remove jaggys from polygonal objects, when its turned off jaggys will appear, even more so on lcd screens.

Kingroudy 02-03-2008 04:46 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
if you claim to talk from a gamer's perspective, u should be runnin on a decent VGA, with high AA, no?

FriendOfZeus 02-04-2008 08:11 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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if you claim to talk from a gamer's perspective, u should be runnin on a decent VGA, with high AA, no?
I claim to talk from a gamer with no money's perspective :D. Decent VGA's dont offer high AA, 2x max and still most of the time its not feasible to put on 2x. U need high end VGA's to crank it up.

Kingroudy 02-04-2008 08:27 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
Decent = mou7taram = high end, or high mainstream. (200$+ in lebanese markets)

FriendOfZeus 02-04-2008 08:35 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Decent = mou7taram = high end, or high mainstream. (200$+ in lebanese markets)
Ok 1st "Decent" doesnt equal high-end, its more like mid-range. 200$ vga are decent, vga's like (in lebanon) 8500gt, 8600gt, 7600, 6800. Anything above 8600gt is high-end, 8800gt, 8800gts, 8800gtx are high-end vgas. And all of those cost upwards of 350$ here.

Kingroudy 02-04-2008 08:48 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
put crysis aside, u can have 4X AA with a 200$ vga (like the ATi X1950GT)

FriendOfZeus 02-04-2008 09:08 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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put crysis aside, u can have 4X AA with a 200$ vga (like the ATi X1950GT)
Yes u can have 4x AA with 800x600 res and mid to low settings. The issue here is fps, anything under 15-17 is no good. Its actually kind of faulty of us to make this issue rely solely on the gpu, we both know that some apps depend heavily on the cpu or ram power. like medieval 2:total war and not so much on the vga. But when talking about modern graphics heavy apps, with an all out decent setting built out, u cant have 4x AA with 1024x768 rez with med to high setts while using a decent vga. 4x AA is the max in most games because it consumes lots of performance, thats why 4x AA is intended to be used with high end vgas.

Kingroudy 02-04-2008 09:26 PM

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Yes u can have 4x AA with 800x600 res and mid to low settings
NOPE, with 1280 * 1024 u can have it (with a "decent" vga).
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4x AA is the max in most games because it consumes lots of performance, thats why 4x AA is intended to be used with high end vgas.
our dear damn friend scoo plays crysis on 1440 * 900 with all settings on high and 8X AA and onother 8X of AF

wen 3eyesh?

FriendOfZeus 02-05-2008 03:31 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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NOPE, with 1280 * 1024 u can have it (with a "decent" vga).
Did we establish the fact that decent equals mid-range product and not high end ones. And if we did, how can a mid-range gpu play crysis (the most demanding software currently on the market) on high with the rez u stated above?

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our dear damn friend scoo plays crysis on 1440 * 900 with all settings on high and 8X AA and onother 8X of AF

wen 3eyesh?
Im most probably certain that crysis supports 4x AA and no AF on screen menu, i'll check it out and report back.

Kingroudy 02-05-2008 04:16 PM

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Did we establish the fact that decent equals mid-range product and not high end ones. And if we did, how can a mid-range gpu play crysis (the most demanding software currently on the market) on high with the rez u stated above?
let's say decent=8600GT ... u can run most games on high settings with 4X AA (7ot crysis 3a janab)

Dr.Scoo 02-05-2008 09:52 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus (Post 121222)
Im most probably certain that crysis supports 4x AA and no AF on screen menu, i'll check it out and report back.

crysis support 8x AA and u can activate the fullscreen AA alone "KABSE".
ASK ME :D

FriendOfZeus 02-07-2008 04:51 PM

Re: What do you prefer? An LCD screen or a CRT screen ?
 
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crysis support 8x AA and u can activate the fullscreen AA alone "KABSE".
ASK ME :D
I know dude :S not a noob, thats why i stated the following "Im most probably certain that crysis supports 4x AA and no AF on screen menu, i'll check it out and report back."

U can have 32x AA for all i care, but changing these values isnt recommended because u can damage ur hardware that way, by putting things on values not supported. Devs usually do that when they have extremely powerfull pcs on hand, they crank up the visuals and values in order to showcase the game to its fulist.

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let's say decent=8600GT ... u can run most games on high settings with 4X AA (7ot crysis 3a janab)
Man its also a question of rams and cpu, shou nsiton?? Some games dont even offer AA. Lets say supreme commander, i know for a fact that it demands more cpu and ram power than it does vga.
And i know a couple of games that u wont run on high with a geforce 8600gt, those are "The Witcher", "Gears Of War", "Lost Planet" and "Bioshock" to name a few.
PS: a 1024x768 rez isnt consider a high one, its mediocre to say the least, some games dont even support 800x600 the minimum is 1024x768, 1600x1200 is considered high.

Kingroudy 02-07-2008 09:56 PM

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Man its also a question of rams and cpu, shou nsiton??
for 300$ in lebanon, u get a core 2 duo 2.66ghz and 2gb of ram :W that's high end!!


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