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Hezbollah's Arms !
i just want to ask some simple questions for every member in this forum :
what do you think of Hezbollah's arms ?? what's the right solution of Hezbollah's arms ?? when do you think Hezbollah should deliver its arms and how ?? do you support disarming Hezbollah by force (internal or foreign force) ?? i would like to hear especially the opinions of the loyalists in this forum, because they always attack the MoU between Hezbollah and FPM claiming that this MoU didn't give the right solution concerning Hezbollah's arms and keep accusing GMA of supporting an armed militia. many others said that they elected GMA in the last elections, but after making this MoU with Hezbollah they found out that GMA is another jumblat and stopped their support to FPM and GMA. so can you guys give us an answer on the above questions and let's discuss the issue. |
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lemme explain this as a Hizboullah fan:
You want HA to give the army ok? to who? to the army? ok HA are ready to do this, oh wait aren't the army under orders of someone who ordered to give tea to the isrealien, aren't they ordered by a guy who is suspected to deal with Isreal? ino lets talk seriously, as long as Sanyoura and Fatfat have the power to give orders to the LA, HA won't give the weapon, ma3leh 7kou mante2. As long as forcing them to give up the weapon, lets talk experience, didn't The Great Isreal tried in 2006, and we all know how things ended up, I mean 75% of the isrealien army left Lebanon crazy and needed pherapistes lool so I don't think by force will do a thing the only way that they give it up is when mazere3 jeb3a crisis is over or they actually have perticipance in the gouverment Thats My opignion :) |
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Basically, it is simple as hell: when the Lebanese government will be able to provide proper security to Lebanon, then there's no need to have a second armed entity. Knowing that violence only creates more violence, taking the weapons by force is surely not the right method. HSN told it and continues to tell it every time he's being asked this question. It is even in the MoU, and we all know the MoU is the right thing.
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And when do you think that will or might happen? Doesn't this sound more like an apologotic rhetoric than it is a real objective to the Lebanese army? If the question is a question of efficiency in defense, be it measured by the number of causalties, preservetion of lands and resources, or broader objective; then clearly the same criterion should be applied to any other armed forces that claim-and expect certian trust from others to these claims-that they are the best mechanism of defense....At best we can say they are the only tried method for now... Peace :cheers: |
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Something doesn't make sense,right? Peace :cheers: |
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Why should SHN give his weapons to Sanfoura as current head of state? To end up like Geagea did in 1994 ?
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Athegan basicaly what I am saying is the following:
طلما هناك احتلال هناك مقاومة |
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Hezbollah is considered as a terrorist organization only because the US said so. But we know it isn't. Why Israel isn't considered as a terrorist state? They were planning to attack Hezbollah members in their houses at night (thus, penetrating into Lebanon with or without authorization). How are Southern people supposed to sleep well while they know there's a danger of death? You have to stop thinking the US are always right, you're being brainwashed. Look how they try to control the world, how they control you. Do you think they give a damn about you? All they want is the success of their business.
The Lebanese Army cannot provide proper security because of logistical issue but more because of political issue. As there is a foreign nation influencing the government, not every Lebanese's safety can be guaranteed. Hence the need of a free-of-foreign-nation-support president. |
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What kinda double standard is it to say that it is not the right of the parliament majority to elect a president by 50%+1 and then say it is ONE PARTY's right to develop a strategy and tactic of war alone? Eza 14 march 3am yesta2esro bel solta, HA practicaly have the destiny of lebanon in their hands, which is not such a pleasent thought... Quote:
The part in blue has no relation whatsoever to what we are supposed to be atlking about. As for the rest,you have proved what i said. It is a meaningless rhetoric. LA will never be able to protect lebanon in the full hypothetical sense you are proposing; so then what? Stay under the mercy of HA militants? and who has the right to even evaluate whether they are a good strategy or the best strategy without being demoralized and outed as a traitor who is working for Israel and America? What kinda argument can be fruitful with a person who has a gun pointed to ur head(indirectly, by threatening to escalate the situation in the south at least)? Are HA really open for suggestion? Why should it even be suggestion and pleadings as if they are a legitimate authority? The whole situation is perverted and no logic can justify one party siezing the regional and strategic moves and thus destiny of a whole nation... Peace :cheers: |
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The Lebanese Army can protect the whole country. In every country, there is an army and political parties. But in Lebanon, most of the political parties set the people against each other. But this is gonna end soon (MoU again) so the heads start to be frightened and tell their people propaganda (like "Hezbollah's weapons are an issue"). At least if you had listened to the interview 3 days ago, you would know that their weapons weren't actually an issue before the 2006 war. It makes sense for you? If it's an issue, why don't they find a solution? The opposition has already found it and proposed it to the other parties. Tell me, who's open for suggestion here? |
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When HA stop kidnapping israelians continuously When HA stop threatening the secure israelian civils when HA give back all the detainees When Israel liberate its land from the lebanese occupation when Israel reach a common consensus about their defense strategy Quote:
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The part in blue explained the problem from your prespective, we can get back to that later ofcourse but since you are defending their right to have the arsenal they have, I should be stating why it is a problem not you doing the guesswork on my behalf. First of all, surely they are not the only part that can escalate the situation in lebanon and whatever I say about their weapons goes for everyone else but since they,by large, might be the only militia that outlast the LA in any conflict; that puts is them in an interesting situation. Now you have a party, by public official and non-official speeches and acts demonstrated that they adhere to an ideology which to say the best about it is not one that most lebanese would adhere to. The problem here is a problem of a lebanese decision of war as opposed to an HA decision. HA decision is based on their ideology not on the best of lebanon and even if they now coincide(they don't), they will not do forever. MoU is not enough for two reason. First it is only between two parties and major treaties and agreements in lebanon don't start this way. I hope this will be the first time. Second, and more importantly, the same problem arises in that GMA or any negotiating party with HA has no power over their decision and has virtually very few tools and options if HA later on refuse to apply the agreements they signed. For one thing, as GMA said at manar once, he is in this agreement and will not break untill the other party breaks it. What gurantees they won't? What power does GMA has over them? None whatsoever....He was their savior from being rnered for now but they might not need him tomorrow so they will just dump him and MoU. Look at their elections tactics, I don't trust their sincerity, their goals or even claims. I know an ancient ideology that GMA doesn't even understand is behind their every move and they are not the least concerned about him or about lebanon..... Peace :cheers: |
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typical behavoir...why would you feel you are under any obligation to be serious in such a conversation? no reason....you are on the side that has the absolute right...no need to argue with those scumbags on the other side of the debate O_o |
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Rape is the only crime where the victim becomes the accused ...
and that's how some people approach this sensitive subject !!!! Thank You ... |
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All what I am seeing in these lengthy posts is one thing: Why would I trust HA or anyone who is armed as they are? Why would I believe what they say or SIGN?
I don't see a reason to trust their intentions and in fact I think their intentions are beyond what they state...from this position a lot of conseqeunces follow...If you wanna see SHN on tv and believe every word he says, no doubt you would support his propositions and the status of his party... A lot can be added on where they stand on the idea of peace with israel or a permenant treaty at least... Peace :Tawa: |
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Athegan, first of all, there's no need to call us "scumbags". Sorry that I indexed you with the "others". I understand your doubts, I have doubts too (we're human being after all). I'm not telling you have to believe them but you have to understand that Hezbollah members are Lebanese people. And they feel the need to protect themselves. The only way to change that is to discuss, understand and fix the problem. I see you don't know much about the MoU. If you inquire for it, you'll discover that GMA proposed it in the Parliament first. But nobody wanted it and it has been very criticized. The only one to be interested was Hezbollah. But I can understand your lack of information with so much propaganda around it. Anyway, this isn't the subject here. |
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To the sentence in red that concerns me the most....We are all lebanese people, and if the way to protect ourselves was with everyone asking a country whose ideology he/she agrees on to arm him/her it would probably be a jungle(as it nearly is now for this particular reason)... I have not said a word yet on how we should deal with the situation or WHEN we should deal with the situition...All what I am saying here is the following points that should be considered before looking into a solution: 1 - In the case all Lebanese parties sit to a table with HA to discuss the issue....What kinda solution in the opinion of HA would be a good alternative to their weapons for protecting Lebanon?(Note that huge objectives and criteria can be suggested that LA will never be able to meet) 2 - If any agreement is reached, what gurantees can HA give that they would not dump the agreement later? 3 - Observing the shifts that constantly arise in the strategy of HA and the announced goals from the days of their origin through the days of sob7e l tfayle and ending up to day, who can tell what their real objectives are? How willing are their highly trained personal to participate in future internal escalations for many unmet objectives?(like many militants of other parties are doing today) mnee7 hal2ad lal yoom :p |
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Good night mate ;) |
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They don't fit with the politicians who are ready to live in a united lebanon (najah wakim,GMA, communist party...) And btw...don't overtrust anyone :) Quote:
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concerning Athegan, i'm sure he wasn't calling you "scumbag" ... if you followed well the conversation you'll know ... Thank You ... |
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Peace, buddies. |
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- What are their real objectives ? looool ya 5ayye go ask them, and if you don't judge according to their actions ... and hinting that HA is militia eno HA in April war payed blood, just to make the israelian erase the word militia from the settlment they acheived and they succeeded in that ... byije kam wa7ad bi2oul HA militia as if i don't care about all these martyrs !!!!! ya 5ayye militia militia if that makes you happy :) ... el mouhem henne w ghayron bya3rfo 7alon chou Thank You ... |
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ya3ne it's weird how you can judge that Najah wakim , GMA , communist parties are ready to live in united lebanon and you can trust them while when it comes to HA you simply can't ... based on ? simply nothing just accusations ... ya3ne in other thread you were saying that Najah wakim is willing to die than to compromise ... and here you are saying he is ready to live in a united lebanon (the demand of opposition) ... can you explain what united means ? coz iza badde efham eno najah wakim bimout w ma bicherik el 7okom with loyalists, then united lebanon should means a single sided lebanon ... P.S: listen to your advise as well coz i read somewhere that sometimes you don't ... Thank You ... |
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Wanna add something to abousoun in his last part of his post #23..
I wanna add that dont look at the name of the resistance,look at what they r doing and what they achieved in the last years. |
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They should give gurantees and let them live like everyone else.. Quote:
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What did they achieve in the last years? (After 2000....which doesnt mean i like what they were before 2000 but it is a whole different argument before then) |
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Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority[/quote] you are spared lool Thank You ... |
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concerning the demands of Najah wakim whom i respect ... these are also the demands of the opposition ... w to be fair coz you said kello abiad aw aswad yemkin mish kel el opposition min masla7ta yenfata7 heik mallaf ... but i'll talk about those who are confident about themselves as GMA and SHN ... remember SHN when he said he is willing to resign from HA and to be judged together with all other politicians about everything ... what was the answer he gets ? the same thing GMA is calling for ... Quote:
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safe from meen? from israel or other lebanese? if other lebanese, you got a very weak point...If israel specify so I can try to reply Quote:
I know it was LBC, this was not a point against you...just mentioned it for fun since I have always find the terminology funny and sad at the same time... hypotheticals can lead to nice conclusions...no sir, in world war one muslims aligned with arabs to occupy lebanon...christians were not that enthusiastic about france leaving until(first)...Muslims were not concerned with the palestinian ambitions in lebanon...same thing went for syria...we both know lebanon...if it is Iran, something along this line will happen, enno why would this time be an exception? Quote:
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Honestly just admit, we7yetak ma bez3al, if that is the case our argument will indeed be futile and there is no need enno nbe7 aleb ba3ed :) Just say they are perfect and it is all over :p Quote:
They have every right to live in lebanon...the book of revelations(last book in the bible) says that only when the jewish state spreads all over the holy land the second coming of christ will happen(eh hek we7yet 3yoone)...now if the christians in lebanon wanna act according to this(to fulfill the prophecy),I ought to be concerned (don't u think?)....you can move the logic to HA...it is one part of the whole shiite theology that makes me concerned when it comes to HA...and no sir, I certainly won't want them to leave cuz my parents will be shipped in the process :p they have a right to be there as everyone else, but prophecies need not be payed from others people's pockets and blood(indirectly)...(I didn't wanna make thing to explicit, I think you get the similarity) Quote:
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Read methak l ta2sees...they have not cancelled or changed that yet so I can assume that they still agree on what's in it...every single word shows they are a religious party in every way u can imagine ): Quote:
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kel el 7akeh mabifeed ... mojarad ma2al berri al mokawama bakeya bakeya bakeya ... w mojarad ma el general aoun wa2a3 el 2eteefa2 ma3 al sayyed hassan ya3ne saro sle7 hizballa sle7 shar3eh :)
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as SHN said in his joint interview with mr. michel aoun, HA is a reaction....every resistance in fact is a reaction to an occupation. before we proceed further, i hope SHN looks at the Lebanese resistance (Kataeb, Noumour, Hurass el arz and so on...) as a resistance. 1- a resistance in front of palestinian aggressions. 2- a resistance in front of syrian occupation. do you have any lead on this?. |
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as i heard SG praising the resistance members in many occasions. did you ever hear a HA politicians calling the LF but a militia?. remind me if you did. |
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