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El-Meghwar 02-07-2008 12:00 PM

Hezbollah's Arms !
 
i just want to ask some simple questions for every member in this forum :
what do you think of Hezbollah's arms ??
what's the right solution of Hezbollah's arms ??
when do you think Hezbollah should deliver its arms and how ??
do you support disarming Hezbollah by force (internal or foreign force) ??

i would like to hear especially the opinions of the loyalists in this forum, because they always attack the MoU between Hezbollah and FPM claiming that this MoU didn't give the right solution concerning Hezbollah's arms and keep accusing GMA of supporting an armed militia.
many others said that they elected GMA in the last elections, but after making this MoU with Hezbollah they found out that GMA is another jumblat and stopped their support to FPM and GMA.
so can you guys give us an answer on the above questions and let's discuss the issue.

TAREKŪ 02-07-2008 06:35 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
lemme explain this as a Hizboullah fan:

You want HA to give the army ok? to who? to the army? ok HA are ready to do this, oh wait aren't the army under orders of someone who ordered to give tea to the isrealien, aren't they ordered by a guy who is suspected to deal with Isreal? ino lets talk seriously, as long as Sanyoura and Fatfat have the power to give orders to the LA, HA won't give the weapon, ma3leh 7kou mante2.

As long as forcing them to give up the weapon, lets talk experience, didn't The Great Isreal tried in 2006, and we all know how things ended up, I mean 75% of the isrealien army left Lebanon crazy and needed pherapistes lool so I don't think by force will do a thing

the only way that they give it up is when mazere3 jeb3a crisis is over or they actually have perticipance in the gouverment

Thats My opignion :)

libanati 02-07-2008 11:03 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Basically, it is simple as hell: when the Lebanese government will be able to provide proper security to Lebanon, then there's no need to have a second armed entity. Knowing that violence only creates more violence, taking the weapons by force is surely not the right method. HSN told it and continues to tell it every time he's being asked this question. It is even in the MoU, and we all know the MoU is the right thing.

Gilgamesh 02-08-2008 04:17 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121610)
Basically, it is simple as hell: when the Lebanese government will be able to provide proper security to Lebanon, then there's no need to have a second armed entity. Knowing that violence only creates more violence, taking the weapons by force is surely not the right method. HSN told it and continues to tell it every time he's being asked this question. It is even in the MoU, and we all know the MoU is the right thing.


And when do you think that will or might happen? Doesn't this sound more like an apologotic rhetoric than it is a real objective to the Lebanese army? If the question is a question of efficiency in defense, be it measured by the number of causalties, preservetion of lands and resources, or broader objective; then clearly the same criterion should be applied to any other armed forces that claim-and expect certian trust from others to these claims-that they are the best mechanism of defense....At best we can say they are the only tried method for now...

Peace :cheers:

Gilgamesh 02-08-2008 04:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The King Of Dabke (Post 121552)
lemme explain this as a Hizboullah fan:

You want HA to give the army ok? to who? to the army? ok HA are ready to do this, oh wait aren't the army under orders of someone who ordered to give tea to the isrealien, aren't they ordered by a guy who is suspected to deal with Isreal? ino lets talk seriously, as long as Sanyoura and Fatfat have the power to give orders to the LA, HA won't give the weapon, ma3leh 7kou mante2.

As long as forcing them to give up the weapon, lets talk experience, didn't The Great Isreal tried in 2006, and we all know how things ended up, I mean 75% of the isrealien army left Lebanon crazy and needed pherapistes lool so I don't think by force will do a thing

the only way that they give it up is when mazere3 jeb3a crisis is over or they actually have perticipance in the gouverment

Thats My opignion :)

Says who? Didn't they once trade Israeli prisoners that they captured(or corpses) for Arab(Palestinian,Syrian,Jordanian...) prisoners in Israeli prisons and by that clearly demonstrate that their goals and obligations are more than to be restricted by the boundaries of Lebanon? To this day, they have not clearly said, not once, that no form of participation or help is being exchanged with Hamas although they have been accused by everyone of this.... Why would you expect that a a huge trained militia, well-financed, well-established, highly trained and highly supported at all levels restrict itself to a small stip of land and some seats in a government?
Something doesn't make sense,right?

Peace :cheers:

Iceberg 02-08-2008 07:27 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Why should SHN give his weapons to Sanfoura as current head of state? To end up like Geagea did in 1994 ?

TAREKŪ 02-08-2008 01:51 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Athegan basicaly what I am saying is the following:

طلما هناك احتلال هناك مقاومة

libanati 02-08-2008 09:47 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Hezbollah is considered as a terrorist organization only because the US said so. But we know it isn't. Why Israel isn't considered as a terrorist state? They were planning to attack Hezbollah members in their houses at night (thus, penetrating into Lebanon with or without authorization). How are Southern people supposed to sleep well while they know there's a danger of death? You have to stop thinking the US are always right, you're being brainwashed. Look how they try to control the world, how they control you. Do you think they give a damn about you? All they want is the success of their business.
The Lebanese Army cannot provide proper security because of logistical issue but more because of political issue. As there is a foreign nation influencing the government, not every Lebanese's safety can be guaranteed. Hence the need of a free-of-foreign-nation-support president.

Gilgamesh 02-09-2008 05:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The King Of Dabke (Post 121658)
Athegan basicaly what I am saying is the following:

طلما هناك احتلال هناك مقاومة

Do you really think,as you said in the first post, that HA will willfully give up their arms after sheb3a is back AND the remaining three LEBANESE prisoners? If you do, I don't....plus l'mokawama can be in many methods and if this is the best method, it is still not their decision to make but the collective decision of all lebanese....

What kinda double standard is it to say that it is not the right of the parliament majority to elect a president by 50%+1 and then say it is ONE PARTY's right to develop a strategy and tactic of war alone? Eza 14 march 3am yesta2esro bel solta, HA practicaly have the destiny of lebanon in their hands, which is not such a pleasent thought...

Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121732)
Hezbollah is considered as a terrorist organization only because the US said so. But we know it isn't. Why Israel isn't considered as a terrorist state? They were planning to attack Hezbollah members in their houses at night (thus, penetrating into Lebanon with or without authorization). How are Southern people supposed to sleep well while they know there's a danger of death? You have to stop thinking the US are always right, you're being brainwashed. Look how they try to control the world, how they control you. Do you think they give a damn about you? All they want is the success of their business.
The Lebanese Army cannot provide proper security because of logistical issue but more because of political issue. As there is a foreign nation influencing the government, not every Lebanese's safety can be guaranteed. Hence the need of a free-of-foreign-nation-support president.



The part in blue has no relation whatsoever to what we are supposed to be atlking about.

As for the rest,you have proved what i said. It is a meaningless rhetoric. LA will never be able to protect lebanon in the full hypothetical sense you are proposing; so then what? Stay under the mercy of HA militants? and who has the right to even evaluate whether they are a good strategy or the best strategy without being demoralized and outed as a traitor who is working for Israel and America? What kinda argument can be fruitful with a person who has a gun pointed to ur head(indirectly, by threatening to escalate the situation in the south at least)? Are HA really open for suggestion? Why should it even be suggestion and pleadings as if they are a legitimate authority?

The whole situation is perverted and no logic can justify one party siezing the regional and strategic moves and thus destiny of a whole nation...

Peace :cheers:

libanati 02-09-2008 11:58 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121749)
The part in blue has no relation whatsoever to what we are supposed to be atlking about.

As for the rest,you have proved what i said. It is a meaningless rhetoric. LA will never be able to protect lebanon in the full hypothetical sense you are proposing; so then what? Stay under the mercy of HA militants? and who has the right to even evaluate whether they are a good strategy or the best strategy without being demoralized and outed as a traitor who is working for Israel and America? What kinda argument can be fruitful with a person who has a gun pointed to ur head(indirectly, by threatening to escalate the situation in the south at least)? Are HA really open for suggestion? Why should it even be suggestion and pleadings as if they are a legitimate authority?

The whole situation is perverted and no logic can justify one party siezing the regional and strategic moves and thus destiny of a whole nation...

Peace :cheers:

You people really drive me crazy. The part in blue is supposed to explain why Hezbollah's weapons are a problem. Anyway. Stop acting like victims. Who told you you have to stay under the mercy of HA? And they are pointing a gun to your head...? Man, stop talking like you're not aware of what happens in Lebanon. You're not going to tell me that HA is the only entity capable to escalate the situation in South or even in entire Lebanon. They're offering a peaceful way to end this situation (MoU). And you're talking about being demoralized and HA being closed for suggestion. But look how the others behave. No one who has his eyes open can deny it.
The Lebanese Army can protect the whole country. In every country, there is an army and political parties. But in Lebanon, most of the political parties set the people against each other. But this is gonna end soon (MoU again) so the heads start to be frightened and tell their people propaganda (like "Hezbollah's weapons are an issue"). At least if you had listened to the interview 3 days ago, you would know that their weapons weren't actually an issue before the 2006 war. It makes sense for you? If it's an issue, why don't they find a solution? The opposition has already found it and proposed it to the other parties.
Tell me, who's open for suggestion here?

abousoun 02-09-2008 12:20 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
what do you think of Hezbollah's arms ??

Offensive weapon against Lebanon
Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
what's the right solution of Hezbollah's arms ??

It's not for me to decide ... Bush knows our best
Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
when do you think Hezbollah should deliver its arms and how ??

When Lebanon stops invading Israel continuously
When HA stop kidnapping israelians continuously
When HA stop threatening the secure israelian civils
when HA give back all the detainees
When Israel liberate its land from the lebanese occupation
when Israel reach a common consensus about their defense strategy
Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
do you support disarming Hezbollah by force (internal or foreign force) ??

Of course, internal or foreign doesn't matter ... but personally i prefer both ways ... I love Life :)

Thank You ...

Gilgamesh 02-09-2008 12:42 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121763)
You people really drive me crazy. The part in blue is supposed to explain why Hezbollah's weapons are a problem. Anyway. Stop acting like victims. Who told you you have to stay under the mercy of HA? And they are pointing a gun to your head...? Man, stop talking like you're not aware of what happens in Lebanon. You're not going to tell me that HA is the only entity capable to escalate the situation in South or even in entire Lebanon. They're offering a peaceful way to end this situation (MoU). And you're talking about being demoralized and HA being closed for suggestion. But look how the others behave. No one who has his eyes open can deny it.
The Lebanese Army can protect the whole country. In every country, there is an army and political parties. But in Lebanon, most of the political parties set the people against each other. But this is gonna end soon (MoU again) so the heads start to be frightened and tell their people propaganda (like "Hezbollah's weapons are an issue"). At least if you had listened to the interview 3 days ago, you would know that their weapons weren't actually an issue before the 2006 war. It makes sense for you? If it's an issue, why don't they find a solution? The opposition has already found it and proposed it to the other parties.
Tell me, who's open for suggestion here?

First of all, although I am under no obligation to say this, if I am not with HA that doesn't automatically put me with the other team. That said, half of ur argument doesn't apply to me and I will to reply to the rest...

The part in blue explained the problem from your prespective, we can get back to that later ofcourse but since you are defending their right to have the arsenal they have, I should be stating why it is a problem not you doing the guesswork on my behalf. First of all, surely they are not the only part that can escalate the situation in lebanon and whatever I say about their weapons goes for everyone else but since they,by large, might be the only militia that outlast the LA in any conflict; that puts is them in an interesting situation. Now you have a party, by public official and non-official speeches and acts demonstrated that they adhere to an ideology which to say the best about it is not one that most lebanese would adhere to. The problem here is a problem of a lebanese decision of war as opposed to an HA decision. HA decision is based on their ideology not on the best of lebanon and even if they now coincide(they don't), they will not do forever. MoU is not enough for two reason. First it is only between two parties and major treaties and agreements in lebanon don't start this way. I hope this will be the first time. Second, and more importantly, the same problem arises in that GMA or any negotiating party with HA has no power over their decision and has virtually very few tools and options if HA later on refuse to apply the agreements they signed. For one thing, as GMA said at manar once, he is in this agreement and will not break untill the other party breaks it. What gurantees they won't? What power does GMA has over them? None whatsoever....He was their savior from being rnered for now but they might not need him tomorrow so they will just dump him and MoU. Look at their elections tactics, I don't trust their sincerity, their goals or even claims. I know an ancient ideology that GMA doesn't even understand is behind their every move and they are not the least concerned about him or about lebanon.....

Peace :cheers:

Gilgamesh 02-09-2008 12:45 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 121767)
Offensive weapon against Lebanon

It's not for me to decide ... Bush knows our best

When Lebanon stops invading Israel continuously
When HA stop kidnapping israelians continuously
When HA stop threatening the secure israelian civils
when HA give back all the detainees
When Israel liberate its land from the lebanese occupation
when Israel reach a common consensus about their defense strategy

Of course, internal or foreign doesn't matter ... but personally i prefer both ways ... I love Life :)

Thank You ...

Thank you for this helpful post....

typical behavoir...why would you feel you are under any obligation to be serious in such a conversation? no reason....you are on the side that has the absolute right...no need to argue with those scumbags on the other side of the debate O_o

abousoun 02-09-2008 12:49 PM

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Rape is the only crime where the victim becomes the accused ...
and that's how some people approach this sensitive subject !!!!

Thank You ...

abousoun 02-09-2008 01:03 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121771)
Thank you for this helpful post....
typical behavoir...why would you feel you are under any obligation to be serious in such a conversation? no reason

I wrote my previous post before seeing your reply ...
I think my second post explain the first one ...
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121771)
....you are on the side that has the absolute right...

I'm not on any's side just like you O_o
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121771)
no need to argue with those scumbags on the other side of the debate

No Comment !!!!!

Thank You ...

Gilgamesh 02-09-2008 09:47 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
All what I am seeing in these lengthy posts is one thing: Why would I trust HA or anyone who is armed as they are? Why would I believe what they say or SIGN?

I don't see a reason to trust their intentions and in fact I think their intentions are beyond what they state...from this position a lot of conseqeunces follow...If you wanna see SHN on tv and believe every word he says, no doubt you would support his propositions and the status of his party... A lot can be added on where they stand on the idea of peace with israel or a permenant treaty at least...

Peace :Tawa:

libanati 02-09-2008 11:14 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
Offensive weapon against Lebanon

Did they kill Lebanese people?
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
It's not for me to decide ... Bush knows our best

Are you kidding me? Look how he did in Irak. Anyway, he might help, but he will certainly not "govern" in an indirect way. Just like we'll not let Iran, Syria or any foreign nation govern our nation. You want Bush to decide for you? Go live in the US.
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
When Lebanon stops invading Israel continuously

That's just funny... How can you imagine that we invade Israel? Do you think we have the power or they'll even let us?!
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
When HA stop kidnapping israelians continuously

And Israel can kidnap Lebanese people?
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
When HA stop threatening the secure israelian civils

You say they're secure. They shouldn't be afraid then. Lebanese civils aren't secure. What about them?
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
when HA give back all the detainees

So do the Israelis and the Syrians.
Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
Of course, internal or foreign doesn't matter ... but personally i prefer both ways ... I love Life.

That's exactly what will lead us to something very bad.

Athegan, first of all, there's no need to call us "scumbags". Sorry that I indexed you with the "others". I understand your doubts, I have doubts too (we're human being after all). I'm not telling you have to believe them but you have to understand that Hezbollah members are Lebanese people. And they feel the need to protect themselves. The only way to change that is to discuss, understand and fix the problem.
I see you don't know much about the MoU. If you inquire for it, you'll discover that GMA proposed it in the Parliament first. But nobody wanted it and it has been very criticized. The only one to be interested was Hezbollah. But I can understand your lack of information with so much propaganda around it. Anyway, this isn't the subject here.

Gilgamesh 02-09-2008 11:50 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121912)
Athegan, first of all, there's no need to call us "scumbags". Sorry that I indexed you with the "others". I understand your doubts, I have doubts too (we're human being after all). I'm not telling you have to believe them but you have to understand that Hezbollah members are Lebanese people. And they feel the need to protect themselves. The only way to change that is to discuss, understand and fix the problem.
I see you don't know much about the MoU. If you inquire for it, you'll discover that GMA proposed it in the Parliament first. But nobody wanted it and it has been very criticized. The only one to be interested was Hezbollah. But I can understand your lack of information with so much propaganda around it. Anyway, this isn't the subject here.

Looooooooool....sorry first of all i didnt call u scumbags...u misunderstood what abousoun meant so u misunderstood my reply to him...I was being sarcastic of HA logic when it comes to debates with the other side...abousoun will reply for himself lool...second of all i know the MoU...no matter how it started, it is now only an agreement between two sides...as u said that is not the subject...

To the sentence in red that concerns me the most....We are all lebanese people, and if the way to protect ourselves was with everyone asking a country whose ideology he/she agrees on to arm him/her it would probably be a jungle(as it nearly is now for this particular reason)...

I have not said a word yet on how we should deal with the situation or WHEN we should deal with the situition...All what I am saying here is the following points that should be considered before looking into a solution:

1 - In the case all Lebanese parties sit to a table with HA to discuss the issue....What kinda solution in the opinion of HA would be a good alternative to their weapons for protecting Lebanon?(Note that huge objectives and criteria can be suggested that LA will never be able to meet)

2 - If any agreement is reached, what gurantees can HA give that they would not dump the agreement later?

3 - Observing the shifts that constantly arise in the strategy of HA and the announced goals from the days of their origin through the days of sob7e l tfayle and ending up to day, who can tell what their real objectives are? How willing are their highly trained personal to participate in future internal escalations for many unmet objectives?(like many militants of other parties are doing today)

mnee7 hal2ad lal yoom :p

libanati 02-10-2008 12:08 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan
To the sentence in red that concerns me the most....We are all lebanese people, and if the way to protect ourselves was with everyone asking a country whose ideology he/she agrees on to arm him/her it would probably be a jungle(as it nearly is now for this particular reason)...

True. But the jungle will remain if the problem isn't fixed in a peaceful and proper way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan
1 - In the case all Lebanese parties sit to a table with HA to discuss the issue....What kinda solution in the opinion of HA would be a good alternative to their weapons for protecting Lebanon?(Note that huge objectives and criteria can be suggested that LA will never be able to meet)

MoU contains the answer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan
2 - If any agreement is reached, what gurantees can HA give that they would not dump the agreement later?

GMA proposed a Supervision Committee like in 1996.

Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan
3 - Observing the shifts that constantly arise in the strategy of HA and the announced goals from the days of their origin through the days of sob7e l tfayle and ending up to day, who can tell what their real objectives are? How willing are their highly trained personal to participate in future internal escalations for many unmet objectives?(like many militants of other parties are doing today)

You can listen to what they state as their objectives or you can do like me: open your eyes, see new event with a neutral view, listen to new speeches and judge who's doing right or bad. Facts will tell you the truth.

Good night mate ;)

Gilgamesh 02-11-2008 04:57 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121925)
True. But the jungle will remain if the problem isn't fixed in a peaceful and proper way.

Sure and do keep in mind that I haven't said what the solution is yet before u imagine something weird :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121925)
GMA proposed a Supervision Committee like in 1996.

Is it international? if it is i doubt HA would accept and if it is not I doubt anyone would trust it....
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121925)
You can listen to what they state as their objectives or you can do like me: open your eyes, see new event with a neutral view, listen to new speeches and judge who's doing right or bad. Facts will tell you the truth.

I already did for too long....They are as extreme and as "unready" to live next to fellow lebanese as are most of others u see...they are part of the problem and have always been at least since 2000(before that was another thing)..
They don't fit with the politicians who are ready to live in a united lebanon (najah wakim,GMA, communist party...)

And btw...don't overtrust anyone :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121925)
Good night mate ;)

Good night :cheers:

abousoun 02-11-2008 04:39 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libanati (Post 121912)
Did they kill Lebanese people?

Are you kidding me? Look how he did in Irak. Anyway, he might help, but he will certainly not "govern" in an indirect way. Just like we'll not let Iran, Syria or any foreign nation govern our nation. You want Bush to decide for you? Go live in the US.

That's just funny... How can you imagine that we invade Israel? Do you think we have the power or they'll even let us?!

And Israel can kidnap Lebanese people?

You say they're secure. They shouldn't be afraid then. Lebanese civils aren't secure. What about them?

So do the Israelis and the Syrians.

That's exactly what will lead us to something very bad.

Athegan, first of all, there's no need to call us "scumbags". Sorry that I indexed you with the "others"

libanati i was being sarcastic that's all ... i thought my second reply was clear ...
concerning Athegan, i'm sure he wasn't calling you "scumbag" ... if you followed well the conversation you'll know ...

Thank You ...

libanati 02-11-2008 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan
Is it international? if it is i doubt HA would accept and if it is not I doubt anyone would trust it....

I don't know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abousoun
libanati i was being sarcastic that's all ... i thought my second reply was clear ...
concerning Athegan, i'm sure he wasn't calling you "scumbag" ... if you followed well the conversation you'll know ...

Yeah, sorry it's a misunderstanding.

Peace, buddies.

abousoun 02-11-2008 05:15 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121922)
1 - In the case all Lebanese parties sit to a table with HA to discuss the issue....What kinda solution in the opinion of HA would be a good alternative to their weapons for protecting Lebanon?(Note that huge objectives and criteria can be suggested that LA will never be able to meet)

You can read item 10 in the MoU
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121922)
2 - If any agreement is reached, what gurantees can HA give that they would not dump the agreement later?

You are distributing the lottery money before even buying the lottery ticket ... I think the hard part isn't the guarantees that HA should give ... it's the agreement ... HA is the one who is giving, he is the one that should be given guarantees that the things they agreed upon in item 10 is fullfiled and that he will be secured and protected as all lebanese in this country ... (ya3ne wa7ad 3am bi2ellak chla7 tyebak w ana bdaffik ... dmanlo annak tdaffih abel ma yechla7 lool lool )
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 121922)
3 - Observing the shifts that constantly arise in the strategy of HA and the announced goals from the days of their origin through the days of sob7e l tfayle and ending up to day, who can tell what their real objectives are? How willing are their highly trained personal to participate in future internal escalations for many unmet objectives?(like many militants of other parties are doing today)

I think HA since 1992 showed the highest level of commitment toward the lebanese community ... and before that and to show that HA is different from other parties ... his general security Sobhi Tofayli was kicked and all know why ... wein fi gheir parties tghayyar aw bissir fiha hal chi ? the names were and still the same with same mentality ... at least in HA tghayyarit and for better i think and that was shown in the MoU ... that's why all the warlords are attacking this ... fa mneje ne7na attack it too ? lool
- What are their real objectives ? looool ya 5ayye go ask them, and if you don't judge according to their actions ...
and hinting that HA is militia eno HA in April war payed blood, just to make the israelian erase the word militia from the settlment they acheived and they succeeded in that ... byije kam wa7ad bi2oul HA militia as if i don't care about all these martyrs !!!!! ya 5ayye militia militia if that makes you happy :) ... el mouhem henne w ghayron bya3rfo 7alon chou

Thank You ...

abousoun 02-11-2008 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122146)
I already did for too long....They are as extreme and as "unready" to live next to fellow lebanese as are most of others u see...they are part of the problem and have always been at least since 2000(before that was another thing)..
They don't fit with the politicians who are ready to live in a united lebanon (najah wakim,GMA, communist party...)
And btw...don't overtrust anyone

HA isn't a part of the problem ... he is the whole problem ... but only in the eyes of those who see them as such ... and those people are well known !!!

ya3ne it's weird how you can judge that Najah wakim , GMA , communist parties are ready to live in united lebanon and you can trust them while when it comes to HA you simply can't ... based on ? simply nothing just accusations ...
ya3ne in other thread you were saying that Najah wakim is willing to die than to compromise ... and here you are saying he is ready to live in a united lebanon (the demand of opposition) ... can you explain what united means ? coz iza badde efham eno najah wakim bimout w ma bicherik el 7okom with loyalists, then united lebanon should means a single sided lebanon ...

P.S: listen to your advise as well coz i read somewhere that sometimes you don't ...

Thank You ...

Mohamed 02-11-2008 09:40 PM

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Wanna add something to abousoun in his last part of his post #23..

I wanna add that dont look at the name of the resistance,look at what they r doing and what they achieved in the last years.

Gilgamesh 02-12-2008 06:09 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122235)
You are distributing the lottery money before even buying the lottery ticket ... I think the hard part isn't the guarantees that HA should give ... it's the agreement ... HA is the one who is giving, he is the one that should be given guarantees that the things they agreed upon in item 10 is fullfiled and that he will be secured and protected as all lebanese in this country ... (ya3ne wa7ad 3am bi2ellak chla7 tyebak w ana bdaffik ... dmanlo annak tdaffih abel ma yechla7 lool lool )

mse2be ma 7ada ghayron lebes though ;)
They should give gurantees and let them live like everyone else..
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122235)
I think HA since 1992 showed the highest level of commitment toward the lebanese community

Commitment to their religion...not impressed O_o If instead of Israel, Iran was occupying parts of the south HA would have been "Jesh lebnen l janoobe"(What an absurd name for a traitor btw)
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122235)
- What are their real objectives ? looool ya 5ayye go ask them, and if you don't judge according to their actions ...

No need...actions speak louder than words...and if it words we are looking for, l Methak ba3do mawjood...
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122235)
and hinting that HA is militia eno HA in April war payed blood, just to make the israelian erase the word militia from the settlment they acheived and they succeeded in that ... byije kam wa7ad bi2oul HA militia as if i don't care about all these martyrs !!!!! ya 5ayye militia militia if that makes you happy :) ... el mouhem henne w ghayron bya3rfo 7alon chou

Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority

Gilgamesh 02-12-2008 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122237)
HA isn't a part of the problem ... he is the whole problem ... but only in the eyes of those who see them as such ... and those people are well known !!!

HA is part of the problem...absolutism is very favored in your posts I noticed...enno ya abyad ya aswad? Either someone is a saint or a devil?
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122237)
ya3ne it's weird how you can judge that Najah wakim , GMA , communist parties are ready to live in united lebanon and you can trust them while when it comes to HA you simply can't ... based on ? simply nothing just accusations ...

Ideology...U know what I am talking about...
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122237)
ya3ne in other thread you were saying that Najah wakim is willing to die than to compromise ... and here you are saying he is ready to live in a united lebanon (the demand of opposition) ... can you explain what united means ?

obviously in the special case of lebanon it means secular( l kelme l bo3bo3)
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122237)
coz iza badde efham eno najah wakim bimout w ma bicherik el 7okom with loyalists, then united lebanon should means a single sided lebanon ...

You are mixing stuff...I meant najah wakim never compromises the rights of the ppl who voted for him...and one of their rights is knowing who wasted their money...Remember him from 1982 going through Ta2ef agreement then the "Dyansty of the Martyr" till today..
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122237)
P.S: listen to your advise as well coz i read somewhere that sometimes you don't ...

My cynicism and doubt is so acute I don't even trust myself, don't worry about this one..and I am not a najah wakim worshipper...I have points against him too but in the "martyr's" file, he aces the score :)

Gilgamesh 02-12-2008 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohamed (Post 122269)
Wanna add something to abousoun in his last part of his post #23..

I wanna add that dont look at the name of the resistance,look at what they r doing and what they achieved in the last years.

18 years in the heart of the southern suburb of beirut and always been interested in politics...I think I know them pretty well in theory and practice..in fact I am confident that I do...

What did they achieve in the last years? (After 2000....which doesnt mean i like what they were before 2000 but it is a whole different argument before then)

abousoun 02-12-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122299)
mse2be ma 7ada ghayron lebes though ;)
They should give gurantees and let them live like everyone else..

eno fi far2 bein el T-shirt and bullet-proof jacket ... these guys are wearing a bullet proof jacket and are ready and willing to take the bullet aimed at you ... and you are saying remove it and be like me ... okey ktir mni7 ... make him feel safe or at least say you are ready to take that bullet !!!! that gun aimed at you even if you're not hearing its shot is fully loaded with bullets !!!!
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122299)
Commitment to their religion...not impressed O_o If instead of Israel, Iran was occupying parts of the south HA would have been "Jesh lebnen l janoobe"(What an absurd name for a traitor btw)

concerning religion part ... not interested to reply ... and if iran for some reason occupied any part of lebanon w mish south bass, they'll be considered as enemies and everyone who cooperate with them ... and the terminology of "jeish lebnan el janoubi" you hear it only on LBC since they didn't like to call 3oumala la7d traitors !!!
anymore "if"s ?
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122299)
No need...actions speak louder than words...and if it words we are looking for, l Methak ba3do mawjood...

Ktir mni7
Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority[/quote]
you are spared lool

Thank You ...

abousoun 02-12-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122300)
HA is part of the problem...absolutism is very favored in your posts I noticed...enno ya abyad ya aswad? Either someone is a saint or a devil?

ya 5ayye la absolutism walla saintism wala devilism ... HA is the problem because he is the direct threat to Israel ... ma badda ktir ya3ne
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122300)
Ideology...U know what I am talking about...

now you are talking like the loyalists ... Ideology is the problem ... HA the shiite party made a MoU with the FPM the Maronite party hayde kenit barrat el ideology? ... man read item nb 2 in the MoU ... coz otherwise you are saying that HA and their supporters shouldn't live in Lebanon ... and if they lived in lebanon never to be trusted ... coz ideology never change :S
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122300)
obviously in the special case of lebanon it means secular( l kelme l bo3bo3)
You are mixing stuff...I meant najah wakim never compromises the rights of the ppl who voted for him...and one of their rights is knowing who wasted their money...Remember him from 1982 going through Ta2ef agreement then the "Dyansty of the Martyr" till today..

ya3ne el communist parties, Najah wakim and GMA want a secular Lebanon to live in ... that's what you are saying !!! Nice
concerning the demands of Najah wakim whom i respect ... these are also the demands of the opposition ... w to be fair coz you said kello abiad aw aswad yemkin mish kel el opposition min masla7ta yenfata7 heik mallaf ... but i'll talk about those who are confident about themselves as GMA and SHN ... remember SHN when he said he is willing to resign from HA and to be judged together with all other politicians about everything ... what was the answer he gets ? the same thing GMA is calling for ...
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122300)
My cynicism and doubt is so acute I don't even trust myself, don't worry about this one..and I am not a najah wakim worshipper...I have points against him too but in the "martyr's" file, he aces the score :)

I salute him too :)

Thank You ...

Gilgamesh 02-13-2008 05:21 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122318)
eno fi far2 bein el T-shirt and bullet-proof jacket ... these guys are wearing a bullet proof jacket and are ready and willing to take the bullet aimed at you ... and you are saying remove it and be like me ... okey ktir mni7 ... make him feel safe or at least say you are ready to take that bullet !!!! that gun aimed at you even if you're not hearing its shot is fully loaded with bullets !!!!

well...we heard of arms race but never heard of a de-arms de-race :p
safe from meen? from israel or other lebanese? if other lebanese, you got a very weak point...If israel specify so I can try to reply
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122318)
concerning religion part ... not interested to reply ... and if iran for some reason occupied any part of lebanon w mish south bass, they'll be considered as enemies and everyone who cooperate with them ... and the terminology of "jeish lebnan el janoubi" you hear it only on LBC since they didn't like to call 3oumala la7d traitors !!!
anymore "if"s ?

I wonder why not interested...cuz you think patriotism and religiousity overlap?
I know it was LBC, this was not a point against you...just mentioned it for fun since I have always find the terminology funny and sad at the same time...
hypotheticals can lead to nice conclusions...no sir, in world war one muslims aligned with arabs to occupy lebanon...christians were not that enthusiastic about france leaving until(first)...Muslims were not concerned with the palestinian ambitions in lebanon...same thing went for syria...we both know lebanon...if it is Iran, something along this line will happen, enno why would this time be an exception?
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122318)
Ktir mni7

lool what is this supposed to mean?
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122318)
Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority
you are spared lool

You were thinking along that line...ma tenkor :p or I will catch you and kill u (eh plagiarism,bkel wa27ane :p)

Gilgamesh 02-13-2008 05:48 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122321)
ya 5ayye la absolutism walla saintism wala devilism ... HA is the problem because he is the direct threat to Israel ... ma badda ktir ya3ne

Who is this supposed to please or convince? You think I give two sh!ts about israel or even palestine? you are being an absolutist in the sense that HA are perfect and the other side's argument are worth less than a rotten onion...
Honestly just admit, we7yetak ma bez3al, if that is the case our argument will indeed be futile and there is no need enno nbe7 aleb ba3ed :) Just say they are perfect and it is all over :p
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122321)
now you are talking like the loyalists ... Ideology is the problem ... HA the shiite party made a MoU with the FPM the Maronite party hayde kenit barrat el ideology? ... man read item nb 2 in the MoU ... coz otherwise you are saying that HA and their supporters shouldn't live in Lebanon ... and if they lived in lebanon never to be trusted ... coz ideology never change :S

I sounded like loyalists :| lol :p
They have every right to live in lebanon...the book of revelations(last book in the bible) says that only when the jewish state spreads all over the holy land the second coming of christ will happen(eh hek we7yet 3yoone)...now if the christians in lebanon wanna act according to this(to fulfill the prophecy),I ought to be concerned (don't u think?)....you can move the logic to HA...it is one part of the whole shiite theology that makes me concerned when it comes to HA...and no sir, I certainly won't want them to leave cuz my parents will be shipped in the process :p they have a right to be there as everyone else, but prophecies need not be payed from others people's pockets and blood(indirectly)...(I didn't wanna make thing to explicit, I think you get the similarity)
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122321)
ya3ne el communist parties, Najah wakim and GMA want a secular Lebanon to live in ... that's what you are saying !!! Nice

GMA said it lanba7 albo...same thing for the communist party and since ma khawwafet l kelme, I hope u are one of the few religious ppl who understand that secularism will not contradict any of ur religious rights...it will gurantee the rights of everyone though and create the only way for a multireligious country to prosper....,

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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122321)
concerning the demands of Najah wakim whom i respect ... these are also the demands of the opposition ... w to be fair coz you said kello abiad aw aswad yemkin mish kel el opposition min masla7ta yenfata7 heik mallaf ... but i'll talk about those who are confident about themselves as GMA and SHN ... remember SHN when he said he is willing to resign from HA and to be judged together with all other politicians about everything ... what was the answer he gets ? the same thing GMA is calling for ...

all what i said, I hope they don't sell our right in the process that is going on today...and yeah, I am not accusing HA of being part of the corrupt system of Hariri senior, just accusing them (in the other thread? :p) in doing less than they could have done(again I stress, after 2000...and less, not nothing at all, I hate absolutism :) )

abousoun 02-13-2008 10:37 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122393)
well...we heard of arms race but never heard of a de-arms de-race

I think you are on my side now :p
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122393)
safe from meen? from israel or other lebanese? if other lebanese, you got a very weak point...If israel specify so I can try to reply

Every Aspect of safety and you said it before actions speak louder than words
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122393)
I wonder why not interested...cuz you think patriotism and religiousity overlap?

akid la2, coz that will be a strong point for me ... Patriotism is influenced by many factors one of which is religion ... not interesed to discuss it coz you only are only seeing in HA the religious side ...
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122393)
no sir, in world war one muslims aligned with arabs to occupy lebanon...christians were not that enthusiastic about france leaving until(first)...Muslims were not concerned with the palestinian ambitions in lebanon...same thing went for syria...we both know lebanon...if it is Iran, something along this line will happen, enno why would this time be an exception?

man you are living in the "if" world ... come back and look around you
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122393)
You were thinking along that line...ma tenkor :p or I will catch you and kill u (eh plagiarism,bkel wa27ane )

looooooooooooooooool w7yetak 3al ghale la2 ... betmoun athegan :D

Thank You ...

abousoun 02-13-2008 10:57 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122394)
Who is this supposed to please or convince? You think I give two sh!ts about israel or even palestine? you are being an absolutist in the sense that HA are perfect and the other side's argument are worth less than a rotten onion...
Honestly just admit, we7yetak ma bez3al, if that is the case our argument will indeed be futile and there is no need enno nbe7 aleb ba3ed :) Just say they are perfect and it is all over

Nobody is perfect w7yetak 3al ghalte marra tenieh ... i have some negative points against HA but mish medtarr ellak yehon ... but concerning what we are currently discussing it's not the case ... HA is the problem in Lebanon because he is currently the only defense against Israelian danger towards lebanon ... I remember 15 feb 2005 one day after the assassination of Hariri ... back then i was in Egypt and used to follow the news through Jazeera ... just one day after the assassination Jumblat was calling to disarm HA and to drop the cheb3a farms thing ... eno i was thinking leik hayda belo bichou w ne7na bi chou ... but after that it all made sense ...
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122394)
I sounded like loyalists :| lol :p
They have every right to live in lebanon...the book of revelations(last book in the bible) says that only when the jewish state spreads all over the holy land the second coming of christ will happen(eh hek we7yet 3yoone)...now if the christians in lebanon wanna act according to this(to fulfill the prophecy),I ought to be concerned (don't u think?)....you can move the logic to HA...it is one part of the whole shiite theology that makes me concerned when it comes to HA...and no sir, I certainly won't want them to leave cuz my parents will be shipped in the process :p they have a right to be there as everyone else, but prophecies need not be payed from others people's pockets and blood(indirectly)...(I didn't wanna make thing to explicit, I think you get the similarity)

sorry didn't see a strong argument here, coz what you said now contradict with your earlier post ...
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122394)
GMA said it lanba7 albo...same thing for the communist party and since ma khawwafet l kelme, I hope u are one of the few religious ppl who understand that secularism will not contradict any of ur religious rights...it will gurantee the rights of everyone though and create the only way for a multireligious country to prosper....

man you can live in a wood and that will not contradict any of your religious right ... how about a united Lebanon lakan ? GMA said it lanba7 albo w SHN i saying it as well ... As long as nobody is not interfering with my beleif where is the problem? eno the coming christ or Mehdi will do 7awejiz seir and check your ID to see to which ta2ifeh you belong lool?
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 122394)
all what i said, I hope they don't sell our right in the process that is going on today...and yeah, I am not accusing HA of being part of the corrupt system of Hariri senior, just accusing them (in the other thread? ) in doing less than they could have done(again I stress, after 2000...and less, not nothing at all, I hate absolutism )

I hate absolutism and fanatism as well :)

Thank You ...

Gilgamesh 02-14-2008 04:59 AM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122412)
Nobody is perfect w7yetak 3al ghalte marra tenieh ... i have some negative points against HA but mish medtarr ellak yehon ... but concerning what we are currently discussing it's not the case ... HA is the problem in Lebanon because he is currently the only defense against Israelian danger towards lebanon ... I remember 15 feb 2005 one day after the assassination of Hariri ... back then i was in Egypt and used to follow the news through Jazeera ... just one day after the assassination Jumblat was calling to disarm HA and to drop the cheb3a farms thing ... eno i was thinking leik hayda belo bichou w ne7na bi chou ... but after that it all made sense ...

lol akid mesh medtar...bas baddy es7abon mennak ma3 l wa2et :p I come from a point, from an argument, which is different from the loyalist...and whereas we both think that HA is not a natural situation and needs to be dealt with, we differ on the reasons and FOR SURE on the methods....ma 3alayna, henne aham menne w kelmeton btoosal lool
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122412)
sorry didn't see a strong argument here, coz what you said now contradict with your earlier post ...

The part of their ideology that I am concerned about is the imam mahdi prophecy(coupled with the strong belief that he is soon to come back), the liberation of palestine(often associated with the first one)...so if u think he is soon coming back, and "wa a3eddo lahom ma stata3tom men kowwa" and you have a strong country who is backing you up and share the same ideology...I don't see why you might give up ur weapons(if you do, you are not working by the common sense that follows your beliefs)....basically thats why I don't trust that they consider giving up their weapons as even an option...
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122412)
man you can live in a wood and that will not contradict any of your religious right ... how about a united Lebanon lakan ? GMA said it lanba7 albo w SHN i saying it as well ... As long as nobody is not interfering with my beleif where is the problem? eno the coming christ or Mehdi will do 7awejiz seir and check your ID to see to which ta2ifeh you belong lool?

I am asking you :) men l zawej l madane la elghe2 l mawed l deeneyye bel maderes l rasmeyye(HA opposed both)...
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122412)
I hate absolutism and fanatism as well :)

Then see things in gray shades...thats how the real world is( I think you do since you have been "elastic" on many issues I wasn't expecting you to be "elastic" at) :cheers:

Gilgamesh 02-14-2008 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122408)
I think you are on my side now :p

bestarje 2ool la2 :p
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122408)
Every Aspect of safety and you said it before actions speak louder than words

But they are as unsafe as everyone else, don't you think ):?
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122408)
akid la2, coz that will be a strong point for me ... Patriotism is influenced by many factors one of which is religion ... not interesed to discuss it coz you only are only seeing in HA the religious side ...

Patriotism is compatible with religion only in a one-religion state...in a multi-religious state, it is not and just can't be....

Read methak l ta2sees...they have not cancelled or changed that yet so I can assume that they still agree on what's in it...every single word shows they are a religious party in every way u can imagine ):
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122408)
man you are living in the "if" world ... come back and look around you

We are trying to predict the results of particular situations...thats how every thing gets discovered/proved/thought of....
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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 122408)
looooooooooooooooool w7yetak 3al ghale la2 ... betmoun athegan :D

lol..thanks :p

knife 02-15-2008 02:00 AM

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kel el 7akeh mabifeed ... mojarad ma2al berri al mokawama bakeya bakeya bakeya ... w mojarad ma el general aoun wa2a3 el 2eteefa2 ma3 al sayyed hassan ya3ne saro sle7 hizballa sle7 shar3eh :)

Gilgamesh 02-15-2008 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by knife (Post 122757)
kel el 7akeh mabifeed ... mojarad ma2al berri al mokawama bakeya bakeya bakeya ... w mojarad ma el general aoun wa2a3 el 2eteefa2 ma3 al sayyed hassan ya3ne saro sle7 hizballa sle7 shar3eh :)

nabih berri akid howwe l fare2 be 7ad zeto :hawhaw: metel ma baddo beseer lool

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Originally Posted by abousoun (Post 110280)
"When all else fails, there's always delusion".
Conan O'Brien


Thank You ...


IBIN BATTOUTA 02-16-2008 12:59 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
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Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
i just want to ask some simple questions for every member in this forum :
what do you think of Hezbollah's arms ??
what's the right solution of Hezbollah's arms ??
when do you think Hezbollah should deliver its arms and how ??
do you support disarming Hezbollah by force (internal or foreign force) ??

i would like to hear especially the opinions of the loyalists in this forum, because they always attack the MoU between Hezbollah and FPM claiming that this MoU didn't give the right solution concerning Hezbollah's arms and keep accusing GMA of supporting an armed militia.
many others said that they elected GMA in the last elections, but after making this MoU with Hezbollah they found out that GMA is another jumblat and stopped their support to FPM and GMA.
so can you guys give us an answer on the above questions and let's discuss the issue.

nice topic. thank you.
as SHN said in his joint interview with mr. michel aoun,
HA is a reaction....every resistance in fact is a reaction to an occupation.
before we proceed further,
i hope SHN looks at the Lebanese resistance (Kataeb, Noumour, Hurass el arz and so on...) as a resistance.
1- a resistance in front of palestinian aggressions.
2- a resistance in front of syrian occupation.
do you have any lead on this?.

IBIN BATTOUTA 02-16-2008 01:03 PM

Re: Hezbollah's Arms !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 121482)
i just want to ask some simple questions for every member in this forum :
what do you think of Hezbollah's arms ??
what's the right solution of Hezbollah's arms ??
when do you think Hezbollah should deliver its arms and how ??
do you support disarming Hezbollah by force (internal or foreign force) ??

i would like to hear especially the opinions of the loyalists in this forum, because they always attack the MoU between Hezbollah and FPM claiming that this MoU didn't give the right solution concerning Hezbollah's arms and keep accusing GMA of supporting an armed militia.
many others said that they elected GMA in the last elections, but after making this MoU with Hezbollah they found out that GMA is another jumblat and stopped their support to FPM and GMA.
so can you guys give us an answer on the above questions and let's discuss the issue.

as i heard SG praising the resistance in so many occasions.
as i heard SG praising the resistance members in many occasions.
did you ever hear a HA politicians calling the LF but a militia?.
remind me if you did.


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