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The Holocaust is the term used when describing the systematic killing commited by the Aryan race (otherwise the Germans) to other ethnic and religious groups in Europe and Russia (Mainly Slavs, Poles and Jews). Yet this blight has been used and abused to serve the interests and policies of nations, to force a Jewish home and to establish a choke point for the countries in the middle-east; keeping them from uniting and strenghthning.

Threats to annahilate Jewish populations in mainland Europe began in 1933, when Adolf Hitler, supreme ruler of Germany, made a public speech, declaring "The Final Solution". The meaning of this is the solution to Germany's problem with the Jewish populace and Jewish abuse. This plan called for the total demise of every Jew in Germany and beyond. The public threats went about by German officials until the eruption of WWII, when the massacres actually started.

Now, upon pondering on these facts, one can't help but ask one's self :"Why haven't the Jews been pulled out of Germnay in the midst of these substantial threats?" Hundreds of thousands of jews could have been saved through deportation and bribery! (they were known to posses vast riches and connections). Powerful Jewish figures and rabby's could have aided them insurmountably! and also time was on their side! For Hitler officially unfolded his plans TO THE WORLD of massacring Jews in 1933, that gave them a 6 year window! Yet nothing was done, they were so engulfed in the zionist dream, so bewildered by the promised land, that they perceived that the victims would be a necessity and a means to create the Jewish State. They were left to rot and die in concentration camps, when measures for saving them could have been eracted. Vast numbers could have been saved. The Holocaust had been used as a tool from the beginnig, the systematic killing of the Jews had been used as a tool by the allies and Zionists to enforce a Jewish state, to hide the magnitude of other massacres and to secure allied interest in the area through zionist empowerment. The allies relished upon every Jew killed, for they knew that for every corpse buried, their position would ameliorate....no other logical reason can be conjured for failing the millions that perished from hunger, torture, forced labor and gaz chambers.

Yet, the main reason for the amplification of the Holocaust was to divert attention from the massacres that were happening in Palestine against the Palestinian people and the to hide the fact that a few million people were forced out their lands and homes and schools and temples and were being robbed of their dignity and human rights, to be replaced by another population. The Holocaust was used as a diversion, to blindfold the eyes of the world community, in blurring the scale of the massacres and violations commited in Palestine by amplifying the significance of the Holocaust and make them focus mainly on the massacres that happened to the Jews and how they need to be recompensated.

Another reason for the abuse of the Holocaust was to validate the reason of enacting a strong Jewish nation in order to repell futur assaults on it. Of course the real reason for fortifying zionist Israel was to keep the middle-eastern countries weak; by years and years of conflict and war. Because the Ottoman Empire reached Vienna at some point in time, Islamic unity still caused fear in the mind of western leaders, fear of an Islamic/Arabic ressurgence.

And by weakening the middle-eastern countries and by maintaining strong western influence in the area, through an overpowered pan-western watch dog, the allies could tap in on the vast natural ressources of the region.

No one is advocating murder, but when such a tragedy is manipulated and used to cause more devastation; then it must be countered, for it had been transformed into something so vile that it sends no other message than that of greed, vengeance, "justified" mass murder and forced deportation.


By Mohamad Sleiman Haidar

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the Jews are a bunch of liars and evils...

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Don't say "Jews", say "Zionists".
I understand your anger, but blaming the Jews for something the Zionists did is like blaming all Muslims for 9/11.


However, it's true that the Zionists did use the events of the Holocaust to establish a Jewish state. In a book written by Norman Finkelstein, "The Holocaust Industry", there is proof of what and how they did it.

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And who wouldnt have done that? Who wouldn't have used such big an event to gain from it? The political and geopolitical climate was very suitable for that. As for the countries in the middle east "uniting" ,I don't see why. Why would I wanna unite with Asad's Syria, Saddam's Iraq, Wahhabi's Saudi Arabia, or the Jordan Kingdom...I see them in no way better than Israel as an ally.

It is never safe to use the logic that blames the victims but I will go along with you. By comparison, why did Palestinians stay in Palestine after Theoder Herzl's book and the start of Zionism? Couldn't have they left palestine before the jews came? I am not saying that is what they should have done, but you are saying that is what the Jews in Germany should have done. They were German citizens with the same rights as any german citizen, why would they leave their country? Allies were way ahead of the Nazis not because of the holocaust but because of many military and economic reasons you would know if you would look deeper into WW2. Adding to all that, many ships filled with jews escaping the areas under Nazi control were not allowed to land in many countries including the U.S.

It was used and there is no doubt in that but the matter of fact is everyone in their position would be dump if they doesn't use it. I can draw hundreds of examples from Lebanon alone of blood used for political reasons, we are not really platonic at all so don't be over-grossed by that. Jews have been killed systematically in Europe for religious reasons for hundreds of years, no conference in Iran or elsewhere can deny that. If AhmadiNajad and a few conspiracy theorists want to waste their time and money to know if there were gas chambers or that was exaggerated or "amplified", let them do so. Whether it was 600,000 or 6,000,000, again I don't care, it is the same concept with the same results.

First as a general advise, don't talk with a sense of pride about the Ottoman Empire for I can see no bigger reason why our area is like this today than their centuries long occupation. Naturally I see no reason where there should be such a thing as "Islamic unity" which undermines the huge differences between the natures and attitudes of people within the so-called Islamic Nations.
As for Israel, of course you won't establish a state and that is by its very definition unlikely to be welcomed in the region without strengthening it to at least be able to compete with its neighbors. Why are u so surprised :p?


I agree here...bas thats how it is and how it will always be for everyone. People use everything for any kinda gain.


Well written, and keep it up ;)

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man,
sorry for the delay,
but....
you sound like hitler...
take it easy.

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man,
sorry if i hurt your feelings,
but the Text used the words JEWS and JEWISH... so i can't use the word Zionists.
anyway Hitler wasn't so bad after all concerning his Patriotism and his love toward his country.

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ZIONISTS ARE NOTHING BUT a party that does not know god and all they want is rule the world

and that holocaust is a total lie

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So ur actually comparing the two situations together. Ur comparing threats done by using books towards the palestinian people (among which 50% couldnt read), from another continent, from people the palestinians havent even heard of in their dreams :). To threats from a dictator, in a country known for its aggression to the Jews for hundreds of years, where the jews arent the natural citizens (aryan race)....ill use the same logic; the indigenous people of middle and north america should have jumped into the sea and swam to hawai upon the emergence of strange visitors with guns from another world. Hell no they arent going to flee and leave their lifes and lands behind. They are going to fight and give their lives for them. Where the hell are they going to live if they abandon their lands. The Jewish reality is far different to the palestinian one, for one; the jews have been a refugee population for hundreds of years, the palestinians have been indigenous to the area for millenia, the jews have been accustomed to moving around every once in a while due to a certain massacre or catastrophy (thats part of why they adopted to excel in trade and banking where as the palestinians are farmers at essence because of the stable condition of their lives). 2nd germany to the jews is unimportant for it holds no religous or historical significance and it is not their natural country, so i dont see them clinging to it, like the palestinians would to their lands. Could u further explain this: "Allies were way ahead of the Nazis not because of the holocaust but because of many military and economic reasons you would know if you would look deeper into WW2. "

"Adding to all that, many ships filled with jews escaping the areas under Nazi control were not allowed to land in many countries including the U.S."
Im sorry, but im gonna ask for proof to this argument, and by "many" how many jews or ships do u mean?

I'll get back to this later gotta study :D

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for the ones who are yetfalsafing 3a rabbeh be osset l "Jews" :
i just replied on the main text posted by FoZ, and they didn't mention zionism in their text but they mentionned Jews, so i can't reply using the word ZIONISM since it isn't mentionned in the text !! i used Jews because the text is talking about Jews !!

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Wlek rawe2 ya meghwar ma bada hal2ad :D bass rawe2 l 2a3sab hehehe "D
I did mention something about Zionism here: But hata everyone is entitled to his own opinion, w as a supposedly cultured and civilized people ya mister X coder we can go about laying our views on things without dissrespecting others.

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I think Zionism existed before 1960 or 1982 or 1996, and our hate to zionism doesn't come from an individual and neither it's influenced by a certain party ... (that shows how much you don't know about them)
and you shouldn't moque someone's self judgement and belief just because you have "SHN phobia" or "HA phobia" ...
And before betting by your own kidneys, you should take your own advise and read more about zionism (mish bass bil wikipedia)

Thank You ...

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Well it's easy when you see something wrong to reply on it ... and since you read many books about zionism (which is something good for you) where did you find the part where it says our zionism hate comes from SHN ?
fa bala hal laf w el dawaran w the usage of "not it's not me ... it's you" ...
and beleive me i can easily know phobias and obsessions ... u still can't tell ;)

and just a comment, that Herzel was the founder of new zionism or modern zionism (something like that) ... after being a social or religious mvt, he made the political mvt ...

Thank You ...

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I'm not forcing you to beleive me and you don't have to my friend, and your arguments (which i follow) are perfectly logical according to the way you think, but since i find them unjustified or irrational, intense and persistent then they are categorized under phobias ...
and concerning the refusal to answer many points in every argument ... eno just check this thread and see who is avoiding !!! :S ...
if your arguments and logic says that we hate zionism just because SHN hate them ... then i'm happy to tell you that i know nothing about logic :p
you mean "originally is" according to Herzel (alla yghami2lo) the founder of the modern zionism (politically speaking), otherwise you would used "currently is" ...
concerning "The jewish state" book of Herzl, eno it lacked the religious side ... eno okey ma kein taghe 3aleih el religious side but in the same time when you talk about anti-semitism betkoun in a way or another hinting about religion ...
and concerning Palestine, here in this book he mentioned both Palestine and Argentina as favorable lands for the jews, and with the analysis of each country, he was in favor of Palestine !!!

Thank You ...

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First of all, I accused Marx 92 of what I accused him (reread his post and how I replied to him) and thats all....I didn't generalize to everyone ALTHO I am still convinced that the majority of ppl who mention the word Zionism have no idea what it means and just repeat it after SHN...you happen to be knowledgeable and educated and in that there is no doubt, but we are talking about the majority not about the elite like urself :p I am not avoiding any argument between us in this thread because there is no argument lool It is more like babbling to annoy each other, but what are we really debating :p?
Yeah...and the rest of the answer goes bellow...

He exactly mentions the reason I mentioned about orthodox jews and their ability to mobilize religious orthodox jews be it as First settlers( poor uneducated jews from Romania and Eastern Europe in general) to the last settlers whose original efforts will be through funding (Mainly French Jews at the time according to Herzl) and then a swift move of their businesses and expertise to the Jewish State... For that reason Palestine is a better destination, because it is the Holy Land and they will be excited and enthused (religious jews) to sacrifice money and security for it...He did underestimate the power of that Religious sector which eventually transformed Zionism into a concept inseparable from religion(s).

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Yes of course, he can give out his opinion and speak his mind whenever he wants and i dont have any say in this issue, i just prefer it when people try to prove something without insulting the person they are speaking to, shows a bit more maturity.