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Sheriff Ice 05-07-2009 10:46 AM

What About Jezzine!!
 
العماد عون يعلن لائحة جزين و تضم كلا من : زياد أسود ـ عصام صوايا ـ مبشال حلو

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إنتهينا الى تاليف لائحة وتواجهنا لائحة يدعمها الرئيس بري وهذا لن يؤثر على أي علاقة إنتخابية في المناطق ذات النفوذ المشترك


Do u think this would affect the opposition people, in other meaning if GMA and Berry Agreed that just the battle in jezzine do you think that the supporters will be committed to both FPM and Amal Decisions?!


xcoder 05-07-2009 11:04 AM

Let the best win ;)

Worst & Best case scenario for the opposition is wining the 3 seats.
Worst case scenario for FPM is break through of Nabih berri candidate.
Best case scenario for Amal is wining 1 candidate.
Worst & Best case scenario for the loyalists is wining 0 seats.

This is democracy

General 05-07-2009 11:46 AM

great step by GMA :)
let's be straight and say it straight jezzine is 80% christians and 20% shiites. why would nabih berri chose some of them and aoun not???

they say salim azar, may 7th will show who's salim azar

they link it to jbeil, allow me to tell that the 30% of shiites in jbeil are hezballa and amal don't have more than 1500 votes among those 13 000

majousseh 05-07-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by General (Post 184661)
let's be straight and say it straight jezzine is 80% christians and 20% shiites. why would nabih berri chose some of them and aoun not???

they link it to jbeil, allow me to tell that the 30% of shiites in jbeil are hezballa and amal don't have more than 1500 votes among those 13 000

i would rather say that the representative power of FPM in Jezzine is much much higher than thus of Amal corporation.

you are talking with the vocabulary of Amal Corporation and sons.
i'm not so shocked. this is my biggest reproach to FPM. They are not working hard on implementing laic mentality.

FPM leaders and followers know that (e.g.) in south, there is considerable supporters of FPM among non-christians. almost all those who are seeking for a patriotic movement whitout a sectarian identity support FPM. How would you adress them General ? That FPM was lying before and now with the actual election law, we are talking "straight" ?

Patriotic 05-07-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Ice (Post 184658)
العماد عون يعلن لائحة جزين و تضم كلا من : زياد أسود ـ عصام صوايا ـ مبشال حلو



Do u think this would affect the opposition people, in other meaning if GMA and Berry Agreed that just the battle in jezzine do you think that the supporters will be committed to both FPM and Amal Decisions?!



It's a good step from General in naming a complete list...
But the bad step was naming the lawyer of El Medina Bank...
I find it a very big mistake...

xcoder 05-07-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriotic (Post 184664)

It's a good step from General in naming a complete list...
But the bad step was naming the lawyer of El Medina Bank...
I find it a very big mistake...

Shou khas?
First some people are saying it's a rumor.
Second, a lawyer is a lawyer not a suspect.

El-Meghwar 05-07-2009 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majousseh (Post 184663)
i would rather say that the representative power of FPM in Jezzine is much much higher than thus of Amal corporation.

you are talking with the vocabulary of Amal Corporation and sons.
i'm not so shocked. this is my biggest reproach to FPM. They are not working hard on implementing laic mentality.

FPM leaders and followers know that (e.g.) in south, there is considerable supporters of FPM among non-christians. almost all those who are seeking for a patriotic movement whitout a sectarian identity support FPM. How would you adress them General ? That FPM was lying before and now with the actual election law, we are talking "straight" ?

Thank you majousseh.. 100% true :)

In addition to that i don't think that what happened in Jezzine will affect the other regions. I believe that both Berri and General Aoun agreed on that step and let the best win.

SysTaMatIcS 05-07-2009 05:14 PM

great , they just gave the loyalists a free seat in jezzine , 2 on aoun lists will win , the 3rd one will have his votes divided (70%,30%) .
while the loyalists with one united list , one of them will win that divided seat.
berri MA BYESHBA3.

Sheriff Ice 05-07-2009 09:13 PM

The FPM decision was taken after several stats in the area,

The stats showed that FPM is having more than 80% over (not just only between christian)

FPM and GMA are not taking it from a christian side only.
FPM has loads of supporters in jezzine from all the sects,
And this situation applies in Jbeil, Baabda, Zahle, Tripoly, Akkar, West Bekaa, Hermel, Saida, Sour And Beirut.

The FPM popularity is increasing day by day within all the lebanese sects, FPM is showing the real vision toward a real State.

You Can see That in the Electoral Program announced today.

Click Me for the FPM Electoral Program

This is the part of the Civil State:

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اقامة دولة المدنيّة: دولة الحق

على رغم أنّ بعض الصفات المدنيّة متوافرة حاليّاً في الدولة اللبنانيّة بموجب الدستور، إلاّ أنّها قائمة أساساً على الطائفيّة في نظامها السياسيّ والإداريّ، وعلى التشريع الدينيّ في قوانين الأحوال الشخصيّة، دون أن يكون للدولة تشريع مدنيّ خاصّ بها.

إنطلاقاً من كون السلطة في لبنان تستمدّ شرعيّتَها من الشعب، ومن كون الدولة تكفل حرّيّة الإيمان والمعتقد من خلال قوانين الأحوال الشخصيّة، فإنّنا نعمل على أن تعترف الدولة أيضاً بحقّ المواطنين الراغبين في أن تكون علاقتهم بها مباشرة وليست من خلال الطوائف
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أمّا دولة الحقّ التي نسعى إلى إقامتها، فالغاية منها ضبط سلوك الحاكم وأجهزة، وحماية المواطن من انحراف السلطة إلى التسلّط، ومن الاستنسابيّة الفرديّة في تطبيق القوانين

واتّخاذ الأحكام والإجراءات المتعلّقة بالحياة العامّة في المجتمع.


Patriotic 05-07-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xcoder (Post 184674)
Shou khas?
First some people are saying it's a rumor.
Second, a lawyer is a lawyer not a suspect.

It's not a rumor!!!
With all my respect to anyone ... you know me very much, i never write something I'm not sure of it!!!
I might have several opinions that might be wrong, but concerning the news, i never wrote something unsure...
I might be wrong in my opinion, maybe the best step was naming this lawyer for elections... no one knows, days will prove!

As for your opinion, lawyer is not a suspect, i second you, but knowing El Medina's issue, and how was this issue closed, i think that in an indirect way, this lawyer has been more than a lawyer;)

xcoder 05-08-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Patriotic (Post 184747)
It's not a rumor!!!
With all my respect to anyone ... you know me very much, i never write something I'm not sure of it!!!
I might have several opinions that might be wrong, but concerning the news, i never wrote something unsure...
I might be wrong in my opinion, maybe the best step was naming this lawyer for elections... no one knows, days will prove!

As for your opinion, lawyer is not a suspect, i second you, but knowing El Medina's issue, and how was this issue closed, i think that in an indirect way, this lawyer has been more than a lawyer;)

You should question the justice system and not the lawyer, it's the judge that takes such a decision. The lawyer is not an angel with 2 white wings even if he knew the truth he will prove the opposite, his job is to defend his client whether he's right or wrong.

SysTaMatIcS 05-08-2009 11:29 AM

Birri announced a list of 3 in jezzine facing aoun.
congrats to 14 march , 3 mps in pocket
score : loyalists 4(1 armenian + 3 in jezzine) - 2(2 armenians) opposition

elsa88 05-08-2009 08:00 PM

For what i'm concerned, i guess that GMA made it clear that he will be in an electoral battle with Berri in Jezzine ONLY. Fa l tayyar ra7 yettebi3 l fekra w ma ra7 tkoun l ma3rake b alb l mou3arada ella b jezzine!
concerning berri, I guess that he needs to give straight directives just like GMA so that Amal does the same and this appears to be the case since Hasan Khalil said the same thing GMA said yesterday...

Ma3 enno l joumhour l chi3e khousousatan manno ma3 l separation b Jezzine, i find it logical from one point of view: GMA wants to prove that the ppl of Jezzine CAN chose and vote to whom they want w MA byejo nouwebon b te3yin (he wants to show that sunnite don't choose in achrafieh for christians and chiites don't in jezzine for christians) that's y in my point of view, fi ma3rake b Jezzine! w whoever wins will be on our side so no loss...
my post manno ta2ife it is simply demographic!

Rampage!! 05-08-2009 08:05 PM

I respect GMA now more coz after this step it shows you that he really is the christian "protector" !

majousseh 05-08-2009 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by emilio (Post 184819)
I respect GMA now more coz after this step it shows you that he really is the christian "protector" !

Yes, the others will eat you....

SysTaMatIcS 05-08-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elsa88 (Post 184818)
whoever wins will be on our side so no loss...
my post manno ta2ife it is simply demographic!

14 march will win :D

elsa88 05-08-2009 08:35 PM

I don't think they will... the pols give the 3 to the opposition... we will see anyway... :P

SysTaMatIcS 05-08-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elsa88 (Post 184826)
I don't think they will... the pols give the 3 to the opposition... we will see anyway... :P

You dont get it .
there are 3 lists , 2 opp. and 1 loyalists.
the 2 opp. lists will have its votes divided
meaning .
if 60%of jezzine are with opp.
35% would vote aoun , 25% would vote berri , while the rest 40% would vote 14 march. they win .

Patriotic 05-08-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 184841)
You dont get it .
there are 3 lists , 2 opp. and 1 loyalists.
the 2 opp. lists will have its votes divided
meaning .
if 60%of jezzine are with opp.
35% would vote aoun , 25% would vote berri , while the rest 40% would vote 14 march. they win .

It could be true if they really have 40% ... don't worry ... victory is ours there...

rldxp 05-08-2009 10:55 PM

Nabih is a "NEJIS" person and he'll always be!!!!!

General 05-08-2009 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 184773)
Birri announced a list of 3 in jezzine facing aoun.
congrats to 14 march , 3 mps in pocket
score : loyalists 4(1 armenian + 3 in jezzine) - 2(2 armenians) opposition

systa the dude lool wake up and smell the coffee, our chi3a brothers represent 10% of jezzine, how the hell do you calculate??

if samir azar is powerful, this doesn't mean he can win over FPM lool

wait for our 3 - 0 sweeping victory in jezzine in this lovely friendly match with estez nabih berri

god said: if the opposition decides to lose, this is not going to happen :p do the maths amigo

El-Meghwar 05-08-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 184841)
You dont get it .
there are 3 lists , 2 opp. and 1 loyalists.
the 2 opp. lists will have its votes divided
meaning .
if 60%of jezzine are with opp.
35% would vote aoun , 25% would vote berri , while the rest 40% would vote 14 march. they win .

So what ??
What does Amal have in Jezzine ?? they wanted to defy FPM, they wanted a battle so let it be !!
No one will defeat FPM in Jezzine...
they gave Marje3youn's seat to the SSNP and General Aoun accepted it..
He also want Jezzine's seat ??
How about FPM having 3 candidates in Nabatieh for example ?? what would Berri do ?? (ma3 l 3elem enno ma fi shi byemna3)
There is a battle and let the majority decide :)

xcoder 05-08-2009 11:29 PM

What's wrong with Berri?
He wants to have seats everywhere?
Not because of the jezzine issue but Amal has about 16 candidates and HA 10. WTF!!?

SysTaMatIcS 05-08-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriotic (Post 184845)
It could be true if they really have 40% ... don't worry ... victory is ours there...

how do you know?? , what if lf and kataeb had like 50% there?
Quote:

Originally Posted by General (Post 184851)
systa the dude lool wake up and smell the coffee, our chi3a brothers represent 10% of jezzine, how the hell do you calculate??

if samir azar is powerful, this doesn't mean he can win over FPM lool

wait for our 3 - 0 sweeping victory in jezzine in this lovely friendly match with estez nabih berri

god said: if the opposition decides to lose, this is not going to happen :p do the maths amigo

again what if lf and kataeb had 50%?

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Originally Posted by El-Meghwar (Post 184854)
So what ??
What does Amal have in Jezzine ?? they wanted to defy FPM, they wanted a battle so let it be !!
No one will defeat FPM in Jezzine...
they gave Marje3youn's seat to the SSNP and General Aoun accepted it..
He also want Jezzine's seat ??
How about FPM having 3 candidates in Nabatieh for example ?? what would Berri do ?? (ma3 l 3elem enno ma fi shi byemna3)
There is a battle and let the majority decide :)

i think that aoun should have put a list in nabatieh , in response to birri. theres a great existence for fpm there.

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Originally Posted by xcoder (Post 184855)
What's wrong with Berri?
He wants to have seats everywhere?
Not because of the jezzine issue but Amal has about 16 candidates and HA 10. WTF!!?

are you F*** serious?? HA are doing it wrong , they should have 14 candidates . but i think that they had no chance to keep birri in the opp. but to give him what he wants .
someone should stop this guy , this guy is going F*** insane , you people need to know what he did here 5 years ago to win the "baladiyi" elections . this guy is another hareeri with more brutal mind.
i pitty his followers and everyone following his line.

Choukou 05-08-2009 11:32 PM

Berri is playing a dirty game! but this game is not with us ya 2estez berri!!

Choukou 05-08-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by General (Post 184851)
systa the dude lool wake up and smell the coffee, our chi3a brothers represent 10% of jezzine, how the hell do you calculate??

if samir azar is powerful, this doesn't mean he can win over FPM lool

wait for our 3 - 0 sweeping victory in jezzine in this lovely friendly match with estez nabih berri

god said: if the opposition decides to lose, this is not going to happen :p do the maths amigo


Chiaa in Jezzin represent 20% of jezzin not 10%!!

rldxp 05-08-2009 11:34 PM

No matter what he says, he prefers 100000000 marra gannblat 3ala gma!!!

SysTaMatIcS 05-08-2009 11:47 PM

There are in jezzine:
- 42101 christians (78%)
- 10402 shiites(19.2%)
- 950 sunnists(1.76%)
- 474 druze(0.87%)
- 8 minorities (0.17%)


El-Meghwar 05-09-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nada (Post 184858)
Chiaa in Jezzin represent 20% of jezzin not 10%!!

And who told you that those 20% of shiaas are not FPM ??
and the 80% of Christians are not Amal ??

tla3oule ba2a men hal khbar :S ...
it's not a matter of sects !!! it's a matter of parties size..

Confucius 05-09-2009 12:07 AM

bas is there any statistics about the maronites there ? enno any % 3al FPM - LF - Kataeb etc etc..? cz i think that the maronites will define it there cz el shee3a don't matter much honik (no offense la 7ada - read on), enno 2a22al men el half ma ra7 ysawwet la Berri cz they know he's playing a dirty game w enno HA doesn't support such dirty acts, w most of them support nazehet w koubriyet HA w specifically SHN, so if anyone has any clue about the percentage of FPM/LF/Kataeb/other maronites forces there, bi koun probs best cz that's what's going to decide the fate of the battle there, hayda ra2yeh, dunno if it's diffrent than this, bas that's what i think atleast, w eza i'm wrong plz feel free to correct it cz i'm not so fond of the statistics there.

General 05-09-2009 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 184856)
how do you know?? , what if lf and kataeb had like 50% there?

again what if lf and kataeb had 50%?

I know from the حماس و إندفاع لخوض المعركة in jezzine ;)

bring it on Biatchhhhh http://www.vcoderz.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

elsa88 05-09-2009 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 184841)
You dont get it .
there are 3 lists , 2 opp. and 1 loyalists.
the 2 opp. lists will have its votes divided
meaning .
if 60%of jezzine are with opp.
35% would vote aoun , 25% would vote berri , while the rest 40% would vote 14 march. they win .


I perfectly get ur idea and it would be logic if the pro-governement had 40% the thing is they don't orelse they would be bragging about it! and for what i knw (correct me if i'm wrong) there is only 1 person mracha7 men ibalon there and he is not even with them per say...
3a kel l a7wel i guess that berri and GMA wouldn't go into electory battle unless they knew that there are no risks of us losing a place in the parlement...

KeXasthur 05-09-2009 10:21 AM

Is it just me or the opposition are so confident of the elections and that there is no competition so they are opening competitions themselves ? Inno Jezzine and now it will reflect on Baabda and Zahle. Remember, Berri and Aoun were not on the best terms from a while.
Also, do Amal have that much supporters ? I mean I think GMA should have candidates against them everywhere just to test their "popularity".

RAM BÓY™ 05-09-2009 10:31 AM

عقد ليل أمس الجمعة لقاء ضم دولة رئيس مجلس النواب الاستاذ نبيه بري ودولة الرئيس الجنرال ميشال عون والأمين العام لحزب الله سماحة السيد حسن نصرالله بحضور المعاون السياسي للرئيس نبيه بري النائب الاستاذ علي حسن خليل ومعالي الوزير الاستاذ جبران باسيل والمعاون السياسي للأمين العام لحزب الله الحاج حسين الخليل، وقد عرض المجتمعون للأوضاع العامة المتعلقة بالاستحقاق الانتخابي في لبنان بشكل عام وفي دائرة جزين بشكل خاص, حيث أكد الرئيس بري والعماد عون على الاتفاق التالي:
أولا : نظرا لخصوصية دائرة جزين تحصل الانتخابات بطريقة حضارية وحبية بين الطرفين بلائحتين متقابلتين (لائحة كاملة لكل طرف).
ثانيا : يؤكد الطرفان على أن هذه الانتخابات لن تؤثر على تحالفهما الانتخابي الشامل في كل الدوائر الأخرى، ويتعهدان ببذل أقصى الجهود مع الحلفاء لتوسيع المشاركة والتصويت الكامل للوائح المعارضة.
ثالثا يتعهد الطرفان بتظهير موقف التحالف بينهما على المستوى السياسي والإعلامي بكل الوسائل التي تعزز موقف المعارضة الموحد.
رابعا يتعهد الطرفان بأن نتائج انتخابات دائرة جزين ومهما كانت لن تؤثر على الموقف الموحد للطرفين خصوصا وللمعارضة عموما على مستوى التفاهم السياسي وغيره، وبما يضمن التفاهم لاحقا على كل استحقاقات المرحلة المقبلة بما فيها المجلس النيابي والحكومة.
Source :Tayyar.org


SysTaMatIcS 05-09-2009 10:52 AM

Berri knows that hes going to lose in jezzine , wether to aoun or 14 march , so WHY?? tikbeer ras 3al general y3ni?

elsa88 05-09-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeXasthur (Post 184877)
Is it just me or the opposition are so confident of the elections and that there is no competition so they are opening competitions themselves ? Inno Jezzine and now it will reflect on Baabda and Zahle. Remember, Berri and Aoun were not on the best terms from a while.
Also, do Amal have that much supporters ? I mean I think GMA should have candidates against them everywhere just to test their "popularity".

i don't think it would be right to have candidates against amal everywhere! after all we're on the same side!
But one thing is certain amongst Christian in Jezzine GMA is more popular than Berri... and as i said before it is not a matter of competition in my opinion. GMA wants To prove that a Christian leader can give the choice to ppl in Jezzine so that they chose their deputees..
now whether it will reflect on zahle or baabda this is up to the ppl to leave out the matter of Jezzine and focus on the opposition lists as a whole bala tochtib... we'll c ;)

El-Meghwar 05-09-2009 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsa88 (Post 184882)
i don't think it would be right to have candidates against amal everywhere! after all we're on the same side!
But one thing is certain amongst Christian in Jezzine GMA is more popular than Berri... and as i said before it is not a matter of competition in my opinion. GMA wants To prove that a Christian leader can give the choice to ppl in Jezzine so that they chose their deputees..
now whether it will reflect on zahle or baabda this is up to the ppl to leave out the matter of Jezzine and focus on the opposition lists as a whole bala tochtib... we'll c ;)


I don't think that GMA needs to decrease his size from a Lebanese leader to a Christian leader..;)

The whole story is that FPM has the strongest popularity in Jezzine (was it among Christians, Shiites, Budhas or whatever) ..
Berri didn't like the fact that he's going to lose a deputy in Jezzine..
That's the whole story....
A democratic battle will take place and we will see who really represents Jezzine..

On a side note i believe that we could have avoided this battle between two parties in the opposition, and i hope it won't affect the overall results.

Sheriff Ice 05-10-2009 12:08 PM

Ya Jame3a :

FPM represents MORE than 80% of the Jezzini People Its not a matter of Christian Representation.

FPM is spread among all the sects understand this.

If it is a matter of christian representation, than FPM would go into elections just with christian candidates.
And FPM wont accept to get into the elections with Pro-Opposition candidates.

FPM wants the right representation of the Lebanese people Dats It, nothing more nothing less.

SysTaMatIcS 05-10-2009 01:17 PM

رحب رئيس الحزب العمالي الديمقراطي المرشح عن المقعد الارثوذكسي في مرجعيون - حاصبيا الياس ابو رزق بقرار "التيار الوطني الحر" وحركة "أمل" الذهاب الى "منافسة رياضية بأياد مشبوكة" في المعركة الانتخابية في جزين.
وأمل أن تنسحب "المعركة الرياضية" على كل المناطق بدءا بأقضية الجنوب وفي طليعتها مرجعيون - حاصبيا التي تلتقي مع جزين، وبالاضافة الى الجيرة الطيبة، بالكثير من عناوين القهر والمصادرة والحرمان.
ورأى "ان هذا الخيار هو البديل المطلوب عن خيار المحدلة التي قمعت الرأي والقرار واستنخبت أشخاصا على حساب ارادة الناخبين"، لافتا الى "اننا نؤمن أن "المعركة الرياضية" اذا صحت في مناطق جنوبية وفي سواها لن تؤدي الا الى فوز كبير لقوى الانقاذ والديمقراطية على حساب الفساد".

Tawa 05-10-2009 03:54 PM

In My Opinion, Berri, Just Like Hariri, Just Like The Syrians In The Past, Don't Want Anyone To Have A Big Takatool In The Parliment. :D

Especially That He's One Of The Targets Of The "Faséd-Fighting" Movements :D


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