Naturalization Next Door!!!
 

hayda yalli baddon yeh jame3it il moustaqbal...touwteen, min il awal ni7na 3arfeneen, bas ma tkhafo ya jame3a, talama il general hon, ma byinkhaf min il touwteen, hayda ahamma shi 3indo

That's what they were and still working for, it started seriously with July war 2006 when they tried to disarm Hezbollah in order to impose a peace agreement.

Any peace agreement with Israel before solving the problem of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon will lead us to naturalization.

But this will never happen, our resistance will never be disarmed as long as the Israeli danger exist, Hezbollah's arms are now the only protectors of Lebanon "شاء من شاء وأبى من أبى", Israel would have invaded Lebanon and imposed neutralization and any other plan they want if Hezbollah wasn't here.

It's a fact, Hezbollah and its arms are the main reason preventing the naturalization of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and the death of the Palestinian cause.

Guys...ya3ni ba3d shway il SHEIKH saad 7a ya3ti il falasteeniye wizara!

we are talking about basic rights. and it is not a question of generosity "tekram 3aynon"...they are human beings, it is an obligation to give them the basic rights to have a decent life.
it is a fact, we should face it on the behalf of palestinian and lebanese people
take it easy. u think that with ur avatar u have the right to give palestinians lessons in resistance. besides, systa is not asking for naturalisation
we did so in lebanon (we did, doing and will do it in the future with our sectarian regime).
are u reincarnated by sanyoura :)...no offense

I agree with systa, the palestinian refugees in Lebanon should take their basic Rights at least. many of them doesn't like the life in Lebanon and they wish to leave, but their economical situation and the Lebanese laws doesn't allow them to do so.

Giving the basic rights to the Palestinians and disarming the Palestinian armed groups inside and outside the camps is a must! and it's a good start in order to fight naturalization and establishing a solution.

Palestinians cannot be given the Lebanese nationality, not because of their sect!! but because of their Right in going back to their occupied country and lands, giving them the Lebanese nationality will offer a big favor to Israel.
to me the problem is not opposing naturalization because the majority of Palestinians are sunna, the main principle is that naturalization will offer a big favor to Israel.
beside that, so many other foreign people(Indians, SriLanki...) are taking the Lebanese nationality while they don't deserve it as much as some Palestinians living in Lebanon do.

I am certain that so many Lebanese who are opposing the naturalization right now wouldn't oppose it if those Palestinians were from their same sect!! but few are those who don't want naturalization because they believe that Palestinians should get their country back.

Palestinians should be given their basic rights of living in Lebanon, at the same time, Palestinians inside and outside the camps must deliver their weapons to the Lebanese Army who should impose their sovereignty in every corner of this land, then many Palestinians may decide to leave Lebanon to other countries, and those who feel like living in Lebanon have the complete right in it under the Lebanese laws until finding a permanent solution for them.
I guess it's the only fair solution to everyone.

And i also agree with Mohamed concerning the internal Palestinian situation, but i guess that the foreign intervention in their affairs and imposing puppets on the head of their state are the main reason of that.
Honest people like "Hamas" should take the lead in Palestine and help in fighting plans like naturalization.
Why doesn't the Palestinian authority have embassies in the world? in that way they can impose their existence as a legal state and give IDs to all the Palestinian refugees in the world. It's a good way also to fight naturalization.

U didn't read my previous post.
Read everything before posting.

Anyway concerning the Palestinian weapons, so now these weapons are in order to protect themselves if a civil war happened?
why do they have to interfere in this civil war in the first place?
The Palestinians involved themselves in the civil war(1975-1990) that's if i didn't say they were the starters and the reason behind that war. they did massacres and killed Lebanese civilians, that's why Sabra & Chatila and many other massacres took place (i condemn it).
The Palestinians doesn't have to defend themselves in any coming civil war because no one will attack them if they didn't involve themselves in the war, so they don't need weapons if they are not willing to interfere with a certain party, and i am not talking about light weapons, but artillery and heavy weapons inside and outside the camps, in addition to preventing the Lebanese Army from entering the camps which are a Lebanese land.

And for God's sake Mr systa read the whole post before replying.

naturalization wld simply bring a new civil war, cz after it, we'll certainly got to redistribute all parlimentary seats in lebanon thus giving the Sunna the higest percentage! fi abt 1/2 million palestinean in lebanon mo3zamon msalla7een, nd those wld certainly make a difference...

that's all abt naturalization, but we shouldnt forget that those people are Arabs as well, we should give them their normal rights as Humans, ya3ne saffa l serlanke bl lebnen 3ayish 2a7san min l palestineans! we cld agree on a point that to give them etra rights but not to give them the lebanese nationality!

Naturalization will lead for palestineans to forget their motherland, the land they were born in, the land they were kicked off, and the land they're struggling for! plus if we give palestineans a lebanese nationality, this will be a benefit for israel, thus it will be able to be free of them and of all those who urge for the palestineans to return to palestine!

fateh movement is the main reason for the civil war , not only did they participate , and i feel digsuted from them and from abo ammar untill this day.
sabra and chatila and tal al zaatar had no armed personnel when kataeb did the massacares , they did it out of hate and racism , who would stop them once again to do this?? theyll go out of racism and wipe out the camps.unless if there was a pal. division in the army and under its control to defend it , thats what syria did , they have a full division of palastenians in the camps.
other than that , there must be another solution for this , in a way that protects them incase of war.
im not with the arms they have , im totally against it and i feel disgusted when i see young and small children in the camps carrying weapons , and when anyone has a slight problem he goes and kills a man , what needs to be done , is another nahr l bared in the other camps , and re-arrangment of the situation .

u are missing the point, why does an American have the right to buy a land, invest it, have a house and live here in Lebanon and the Palestinian doesn't?

I agree with the part where they shouldn't be armed

at the last part l3ama leh nfa3alet? lool teneh shi shu fia el amerkaineh bi lebnen 3ayesh a7san mnel lebneneh w yet fi yeshtreh w ybee3 iza falastineh ma3o masareh (werteh) leh badak temna3o men eno ya3mel 3ishto aw y3ish 3a 7sebo bi hal balad ): I am not saying give them the same rights as the lebanese ones but at least give them the same rights u give to the french, americans, or anyone who come from a foreign country and want to live here

أول شي هيدا الحكي كلو خطأ و بدعة عشنا فيها طول حيايتنا ، فيك تخبرني أيمتا صار أخر إحصاء سكاني ، حتىيركدو ل يعطوا الجنسية لل فلسطيني !!! ما حدة مستفيد من إعطاء الجنسية إلا إسرائيل !

that's one reason4D
that's a second reason
just read all the thread...so i won't quote every post....and also u can read ur post it has the answer to ur question...

Agree.
Are you sure?
they did not by their own hands.. but their governments gave Israel missiles and biological weapons and gave them permissions to use their airports in order to bombard us and kill every Lebanese citizen and soldier during July 2006 and before that (1996-1982 etc..)
Actually their governments are the ones planning for every war in this world!!

Let's not kid ourselves. The reason most of Lebanese oppose the naturalization of the Palestinians is not because you are with their right to go back. Technically you may be with them going back, but that is not a reason to support that right fully and so aggressively. The main reason is each Lebanese's existence. You have around 300,000 Palestinians ( sunnis) that would change the demographics of Lebanon significantly. Second thing 300,000 Palestinians have shown to include groups that are a direct threat to the Lebanese citizens and to the country. That is why most Lebanese don't want the Palestenians to be naturalized. Other than that, no one cares so much about their rights to go back to an extent to fight for it. The only solution is to allow them to have a proper life.

i agree theirs government killed a lot of Lebanese an started wars but i don't see any American living in Lebanon armed and threatening my army and threatening my existence.

and hareeri , with more than 400,000 palastenians added to the sunnists sect in lebanon , hed freely control the country.
The french , the turks killed more than 200,000 lebanese , i dont see you attacking them and asking them to get out , fateh and abo ammar where the reason for the civil war , not the WHOLE palastenians , the LF killed lebanese army , thats thing is WORSE than palastenians killing them , cz a brother killing a brother is more bitter than a stranger killing your brother , how about kicking the lf out too??
400,000 palastenians living in lebanon , only about 20,000 are armed , what have the other 380,000 done?

We're driving the rest to arm too if we don't allow them to have a proper life.

because that was in WW1 (right? ) everyone was killing everyone

EDIT: the turk, the french in lebanon are not armed they are no threat

that could be arranged :p
let the 20, 000 give up their weapons and all 400,000 Palestinians are welcomed here for now

It's funny you have people armed everywhere, and now you are putting conditions over the Palestinians only. I am totally against their arms and think they should hand them over, but you picture it as if them handing their arms will solve some major problem or something.

are u kdg me? the french and the "Americans" are the top 2 countries that support israel, should I remind u that the french president is the biggest Israeli supporter and we all know how USA feels about Israel ba2a ma djareb t2eleh kello adrab men ba3do ): w why are u saying as if I am with el tawtin hell I am against it bass kamen 7a2on yeshtro aradeh el jame3a iza ken masareh 7alel, 7a2on yeshetghlo bil 7alel ma fik tetrekon hek m3al2in :S u cant blame all the palestinians for what few of them did ):

so you have no reply ? O_o


Are you even reading my posts ? the American / french ... are all pro israel it's no secret but i don't see American / french in Lebanon living in camps stocking up on weapons and missiles and ready to attack us at ANY second

then you can't blame all the American / french for what few of them did . The American people want peace that's why they voted for obama so he can bring peace as he promised but turned out to be another bush

exactly w we aren't, bass u are blaming all Palestinians for what few of them did :D