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moqawem 03-04-2010 01:20 AM

مجرّد رأي
 
سلام ،
عفوا بس ليه معظم ردودكم باللغة الانكليزية؟
انا مش ضد انو الواحد يكون بيعرف لغات ويحكيها ويكتبها !
بس بلاقي بالمنتديات المفروض نكتب عربي ..لغتنا ..لأن نحنا عرب !
كمان لأن مثلا بلبنان مش الجميع دارسين لغة انكليزية!! في كتير فرنسي!!
بتمنى نحد من هالظاهرة بهالمنتدى بكون افضل ،
مش بالضرورة نكتب الفصحى، خلونا نكتب باللهجة اللبنانية!
مجرّد رأي!

Jess 03-04-2010 05:45 AM

أخي مقاوم،

أنا بعتقد إنو معظم الردود باللغة الأجنبية لأن الشباب مش سريعين بكتابة العربي.
انا ما كنت حافظة الكيبورد بالعربي بس مرة عمرة ومن خلال شغلي تعودت...
إنو كل واحد متل ما بيرتاح... و بركي أيضا بيعبروا أكتر بالأجنبي؟

Adam 03-04-2010 07:22 AM

The reason I prefer English is that I'm read Arabic very slowly and don't know how to write Arabic.
Most times I skip threads that are in Arabic.

halhoula 03-04-2010 12:29 PM

أنا بدعم مقاوم بهيدي الفكرة لأنو كل يوم عم بيمرؤ عم لاحظ إنو ما بقا حدا عم يحكي جملة كاملة بالعربي والأضرب من هيك هو إنو في ناس بتعد اللغة العربية لغة بطلة موضتها بس من الضروري نفكر ئنو المنتدي بضم عالم من عدة بلدان ويمكن ما بيعرفو يقرو العربي لهيدا السبب بفتكر ئنو اللغتين مسموحين

من هون بدعم مقاوم ئنو اللغة العربية عم تنفقد عن جد بين الشباب و كلنا عم ننسى تاريخا العريق والمهم وعم نعتبرها لغة ميتة

بس ما فينا نفرض لغة على العالم بس فينا نسعى لتقويتها ونشجع على تعلم أصولها المزبوطة


Tawa 03-04-2010 12:40 PM

English >>> Arabic

Reason: You can't write STFU in Arabic.

Jess 03-04-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halhoula (Post 210393)
أنا بدعم مقاوم بهيدي الفكرة لأنو كل يوم عم بيمرؤ عم لاحظ إنو ما بقا حدا عم يحكي جملة كاملة بالعربي والأضرب من هيك هو إنو في ناس بتعد اللغة العربية لغة بطلة موضتها بس من الضروري نفكر ئنو المنتدي بضم عالم من عدة بلدان ويمكن ما بيعرفو يقرو العربي لهيدا السبب بفتكر ئنو اللغتين مسموحين


من هون بدعم مقاوم ئنو اللغة العربية عم تنفقد عن جد بين الشباب و كلنا عم ننسى تاريخا العريق والمهم وعم نعتبرها لغة ميتة

بس ما فينا نفرض لغة على العالم بس فينا نسعى لتقويتها ونشجع على تعلم أصولها المزبوطة


معكن حق باللي قلتو بس كمان في ناس ما بتعرف تستعمل الكيبورد بالعربي أو حتى تعبر بالعربي حتى لو كانوا عرب بس تعودوا يناقشوا بلأجنبي

El-Meghwar 03-04-2010 01:40 PM

يا أخ مقاوم، هذا المنتدى ليس مقيّد بقوانين معيّنة تختص باللغة، يمكن لكل عضو أن يشارك ويطرح المواضيع باللغة التي يشاء(عربي،فرنسي أو إنكليزي) وبرأيي أنه لا يمكننا إلزام الجميع بلغة معيّنة للكتابة

الحلّ برأيي هو بترك الحريّة لكل شخص أن يستعمل اللغة الي يريد، وإن كنت من مشجّعي فكرة المناقشة باللغة العربية يمكنك فتح مواضيع أكثر باللغة العربية، وعندها سيشاركك في المواضيع من يحب الكتابة بالعربية

Kingroudy 03-04-2010 02:51 PM

for those who have a 32-bit operating system and want to write in arabic, download Google transliteration. it is similar to yamli.com (or maybe better).
anyway, i prefer english but i don't mind few topics and replies in arabic.

RUSSIAN 03-04-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 210381)
The reason I prefer English is that I'm read Arabic very slowly and don't know how to write Arabic.
Most times I skip threads that are in Arabic.

Note that arabic is the native language of most members.
You can keep skipping such threads like I do when I don't understand them, no one making you to visit them.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210400)
anyway, i prefer english but i don't mind few topics and replies in arabic.

So you like english language mor then yours?

Tawa 03-04-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSSIAN (Post 210401)
So you like english language mor then yours?

What kind of lame questions is that? :p
He said he prefers English, therefore he likes English Language more than His :D
Simple Logic.

RUSSIAN 03-04-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawa (Post 210402)
What kind of lame questions is that? :p
He said he prefers English, therefore he likes English Language more than His :D
Simple Logic.

In fact I got it, but it was very weird for me. So I asked him if it's really. I can find why someone can prefer other langueage then his own.

Kingroudy 03-04-2010 03:25 PM

yeah, english is wayyyyyyy better then arabic and i don't like arabic and i wish lebanon speaks english as a mother tong. arabic is useless and outdated and can't keep with the scientific progress. just imagine an engineering school in arabic lool what would the courses look like.
In addition, english is cooler, it has words like ROFLMAO and STFU and n00b. and it also supports abbreviations. RAP is better in english too. there is no arabic vocal trance, and poems is the only thing where arabic excells, but who likes poems anyway.
and LADY GAGA doesn't speak arabic.

Tawa 03-04-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSSIAN (Post 210404)
In fact I got it, but it was very weird for me. So I asked him if it's really. I can find why someone can prefer other langueage then his own.

Well then you failed to ask your question then.
You could've simply said: Why would someone prefer another language over his own?

And the answer I find is simple, let's say I'm Lebanese and I like Lebanese Food, but I prefer Italian food :D. It's not weird right? Some people don't even like the food of their ancestors :p
Same goes to Language.

Abruzzy 03-04-2010 05:17 PM

I Prefer english for two reasons:
1) I dont even have an arabic keyboard!!
2) You can't write WTF in arabic ... lool

And btw i would like to say that this an open forum you can write in japanese ... chinese whatever you want, you cant force members to write in arabic or else ... !!

(I Used Yamli here lool !!) مش مسؤليتنا نحافظ على اللغة العربية إذا ما حداً سئلان !!

Neoxter 03-04-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abruzzy (Post 210414)


And btw i would like to say that this an open forum you can write in japanese ... chinese whatever you want, you cant force members to write in arabic or else ... !!

eh la2, although I don't like the idea of arabic font in the forum, but the guy has a point in choosing arabic, because its our spoken language, another reason is cuz we're an arab country (lel 2asaf lool) So chinese and japanese language is too irrelevant here..easy on the sushi :p

ps: I got your point.

RUSSIAN 03-04-2010 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
yeah, english is wayyyyyyy better then arabic and i don't like arabic and i wish lebanon speaks english as a mother tong. arabic is useless and outdated and can't keep with the scientific progress. just imagine an engineering school in arabic lool what would the courses look like.
In addition, english is cooler, it has words like ROFLMAO and STFU and n00b. and it also supports abbreviations.

English is one of the most stupid languages in the world, that's why it isn't hard to understand it. I hope your country will never choose it. English just can help ppl to communicate. But you have your language which is one of the most beautiful languages in the world.
But I agree that english is better for an engineering school because it doesn't have anything for emotions and it looks like a programming language.

About keyboard there's no problem here to just remember what key is where if you haven't the arabic one. It's not a reason to reject your language. You just have to create a table and print it and remember it or use it like a hint. And to install keyboard and arabic language support you'll just need a disk with win XP and some minutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
and poems is the only thing where arabic excells, but who likes poems anyway.

I like poems on my language (I don't understand arabic very well, but poems on it sound very nice, and I never heard/read a nice poems in english).
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
and LADY GAGA doesn't speak arabic

Excuse me, who is she? :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
RAP is better in english too. there is no arabic vocal trance

Also a "good" reason to reject your language. Also Majida Roumi and Fairouz are singing in arabic. upd: And how did I forgot about Welaya?

Adam 03-04-2010 08:07 PM

If you want to get in to which language is the better one, then from what I know, English is one of the worst languages grammatically, it's filled with exceptions. This is coming from a professor we have at our Uni.
We had this conversation with him a couple of months back, he said that the only reason the language is so wide spread is because of the British colonization and that it's a very hard language to learn when compared to others, including languages that don't use the Roman alphabet.

I also remember reading about Arabic being grammatically perfect, don't know if this is true cause I don't know the language that well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSSIAN (Post 210422)
Excuse me, who is she? :)

She's a crazy (i.e. gaga) lady that you will usually see camouflaged like a couch and has daddy and self-esteem issues.

Adam 03-04-2010 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
RAP is better in english too. there is no arabic vocal trance.

And English Dabke is good?

Sheriff Ice 03-04-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
yeah, english is wayyyyyyy better then arabic and i don't like arabic and i wish lebanon speaks english as a mother tong. arabic is useless and outdated and can't keep with the scientific progress. just imagine an engineering school in arabic lool what would the courses look like.
In addition, english is cooler, it has words like ROFLMAO and STFU and n00b. and it also supports abbreviations. RAP is better in english too. there is no arabic vocal trance, and poems is the only thing where arabic excells, but who likes poems anyway.
and LADY GAGA doesn't speak arabic.

Ya3ne Fe3lan Che 7elo Che Mratteb

The Arabic Language is one of the most complexe,beautiful linguistic language in the world, it is one of the most expressive language that humans knows, sometimes it is more expressive than silence itself.
So plzzzz u like it or not, the language is a treasure in it self

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 210424)
If you want to get in to which language is the better one, then from what I know, English is one of the worst languages grammatically, it's filled with exceptions. This is coming from a professor we have at our Uni.
We had this conversation with him a couple of months back, he said that the only reason the language is so wide spread is because of the British colonization and that it's a very hard language to learn when compared to others, including languages that don't use the Roman alphabet.

I also remember reading about Arabic being grammatically perfect, don't know if this is true cause I don't know the language that well.


She's a crazy (i.e. gaga) lady that you will usually see camouflaged like a couch and has daddy and self-esteem issues.

Adam yes the Arabic Language is one of the most perfect languages, it has very strict rules and grammar, every letter, every punctuation has rules.
Its build on mathematical Basis, its kinda similar to German

P.S: there are few few exceptions in the Arabic language

Neoxter 03-04-2010 08:41 PM

People who don't speak English are illiterate in global terms.

Sheriff Ice 03-04-2010 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neoxter (Post 210427)
People who don't speak English are illiterate in global terms.

People who don't respect their mother language and think it is stupid are illiterate in global terms.

Kain 03-04-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neoxter (Post 210427)
People who don't speak English are illiterate in global terms.

Yes and that's because it's the most widespread language. No problem there. It's just that english is easy and helps people communicate.

And i'm with sheriff ice 100%. No language is as articulate or as beautiful as the arabic language. And i find myself to be truly lacking because i find myself incapable of reading truly articulate arabic texts.

This isn't a matter of arabic pride or anything of a sort. Arabic language is just so damned beautiful!!!

But in vcoderz, seeing as not all members can read arabic then english is the best choice since all members can use it.
w ma3lesh 3ala english mistakes ma mla772in kif eza jarrabna nrakkib jomal arabic:p khallso ba2a:p

TAREK® 03-04-2010 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain (Post 210429)
w ma3lesh 3ala english mistakes ma mla772in kif eza jarrabna nrakkib jomal arabic:p khallso ba2a:p

ما من عود نخلص دود

:p

SysTaMatIcS 03-04-2010 10:19 PM

arabic is outdated weather we like this or not , its a fact not an opinion , and arabic is one of the hardest languages in the world to the extent that its very hard on the people who have it as a mother tongue , i mean i feel disgusted every time i read about its grammar and i always hated the "i3rab" thingy , such a stupid thing! most of the university students in lebanon are weak in arabic but strong in english .
then if i had to write in arabic it would take me hours to write a paragraph like this one , not to mention the limitations of expressing myself cause of the lack of arabic terms in my knowledge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSSIAN (Post 210422)
English is one of the most stupid languages in the world, that's why it isn't hard to understand it.

so a language should be hard in order to be smart?? i find english as the smartest language on the planet for being so easy that you dont need to crack your head open to understand it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawa (Post 210394)
English >>> Arabic

Reason: You can't write STFU in Arabic.

ا ب ن

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abruzzy (Post 210414)

You can't write WTF in arabic ... lool

م ب ن

Adam 03-04-2010 10:44 PM

Just a question, how does a language become outdated?

Adam 03-04-2010 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 210434)
so a language should be hard in order to be smart??.

Smart people can learn difficult things, stupid people can't.
Smart people can learn physics on an advanced level, stupid people can't.
Smart people can learn a complex language, stpd ppl prefr to rite lik dis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 210434)
you dont need to crack your head open to understand it.

Basically, what you said here is that English is a language for people who can't handle grammar, which is kind of sad. Not only did you answer your previous question with an answer that contradicts your argument, your answer was also false.
The English language does have grammar, it's just that most people don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and think that "beautifulest" is a word.

With globalization there must be a language that everyone can use to communicate. It just so happens that the British had a sport which was called "let's-see-how-many-countries-we-can-steal-kill-and-pillage-in-before-their-people-get-pissed", that sport led to people in those countries using the English language as a second language, much like we in Lebanon have French.
With English being the most widespread, it became a global standard, not because it was very good, but because more people already knew it.

Kingroudy 03-04-2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210406)
yeah, english is wayyyyyyy better then arabic and i don't like arabic and i wish lebanon speaks english as a mother tong. arabic is useless and outdated and can't keep with the scientific progress. just imagine an engineering school in arabic lool what would the courses look like.
In addition, english is cooler, it has words like ROFLMAO and STFU and n00b. and it also supports abbreviations. RAP is better in english too. there is no arabic vocal trance, and poems is the only thing where arabic excells, but who likes poems anyway.
and LADY GAGA doesn't speak arabic.

i positively absolutely seriously cannot believe how someone can take this post seriously and start asking me questions about every sentence. this is all sarcasm, and YES, i prefer english over arabic, i even tend to speak english with my friends who are well acquainted with this language.
Nevertheless, i have good arabic linguistic skills and i can write in arabic if it wasn't for the arabic keyboard, and i can understand arabic texts that have some embodied meanings. Preferring a language over the other doesn't mean i'm illiterate and that i barely know how to write my name in arabic.

FYI, arabic is the hardest alphabet based language to write. English is the easiest language to learn.

Google 03-05-2010 01:02 AM

I don't understand how this thread turned into an English vs Arabic fight.
At first, I was going to write a technical article on what's more efficient to use. However, I realized that we're in 2010, so I stopped.
Now the thing that's left from what I was going to say:
Arabic or English, it doesn't matter, المهم توصل لفكرة.

RUSSIAN 03-05-2010 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210443)
FYI, arabic is the hardest alphabet based language to write. English is the easiest language to learn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 210439)
Smart people can learn difficult things, stupid people can't.
Smart people can learn physics on an advanced level, stupid people can't.
Smart people can learn a complex language, stpd ppl prefr to rite lik dis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 210439)
It just so happens that the British had a sport which was called "let's-see-how-many-countries-we-can-steal-kill-and-pillage-in-before-their-people-get-pissed", that sport led to people in those countries using the English language as a second language, much like we in Lebanon have French.
With English being the most widespread, it became a global standard, not because it was very good, but because more people already knew it.

Nothing to add here.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 210434)
most of the university students in lebanon are weak in arabic but strong in english

Then it's their problem. Everyone should first know his/her language well before others. And like Sheriff said:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheriff Ice (Post 210428)
People who don't respect their mother language and think it is stupid are illiterate in global terms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 210424)
If you want to get in to which language is the better one, then from what I know, English is one of the worst languages grammatically, it's filled with exceptions. This is coming from a professor we have at our Uni.

Then your professor doesn't know about russian language where we have hundreds exceptions.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingroudy (Post 210443)
i positively absolutely seriously cannot believe how someone can take this post seriously and start asking me questions about every sentence. this is all sarcasm, and YES, i prefer english over arabic, i even tend to speak english with my friends who are well acquainted with this language.

I'm sorry, I thought it's a serious thread.

Justin 03-07-2010 02:01 AM

het la ntarre el ajwe2.

we have the arabic kiss
the english kiss
and the french kiss :$

FRENCH W BASS :huh:



je gazouille la langue française parce que la mimine de ma petite nièce dans celle de mon neveu va vous casser la figure lool llool

translate that :p :hawhaw:

Adam 03-07-2010 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 210556)
translate that :p :hawhaw:

http://www.klasifrankrike.se/images/croissant.jpg

SysTaMatIcS 03-07-2010 02:09 AM

lets make things clear , i dont give a **** if i was born american and found out that chinese was the best language , then i would forget about english and just learn and talk , write and communicate by chinese.

Justin 03-07-2010 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 210558)
lets make things clear , i dont give a **** if i was born american and found out that chinese was the best language , then i would forget about english and just learn and talk , write and communicate by chinese.

gonfle-le :p................

Kain 03-07-2010 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS (Post 210558)
lets make things clear , i dont give a **** if i was born american and found out that chinese was the best language , then i would forget about english and just learn and talk , write and communicate by chinese.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 210559)
gonfle-le :p................

:hawhaw::hawhaw::hawhaw::hawhaw::hawhaw::hawhaw::h awhaw:
loolloolloolloollool hahahahahhahahahahahhaha loolloollool

I'm sorry but a thank you would fail to show you how hard i am laughing right now:hawhaw::hawhaw:


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