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Jean 11-02-2006 07:45 PM

Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
I want to talk about the the politicians that the christians between 1975 - 2006 .
from pierre gemayel (the rock), to Raymond Edde , bashir gemayel, samir geagea , elie hobeyka ,dany chamaoun, Amin gemayel ,General michel aoun and all the others .
what did they make for lebanon and the christian community ? where are their legacies ?
what's the difference between them ? who is/was the most popular ?? and who really represented the christians ?

KeXasthur 11-04-2006 02:16 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Farah
I want to talk about the the politicians that the christians between 1975 - 2006 .
from pierre gemayel (the rock), to Raymond Edde , bashir gemayel, samir geagea , elie hobeyka ,dany chamaoun, Amin gemayel ,General michel aoun and all the others .
what did they make for lebanon and the christian community ? where are their legacies ?
what's the difference between them ? who is/was the most popular ?? and who really represented the christians ?

Well, i wasnt born back at 1975 or at the time Bacir Gemayel was alive ...so i dont know what the chrstian community really was back then ....But i have read and heard that he was one of the most popular leaders of the chrstians although i dont agree with him on anything .... He did participate in many murders and massacres even though "fighting the terrorists" was his cause ..

Bachir Gemayel made a big mistake when he ordered the massacre of ehden and when he was involved in Sabra and Chatila ...backed by the israelis ...

+ .......

I think what he fighted for was the right of every christian but he turned out to be someone else ..

Elie hobeyka is a Pure LFer ..more LF than samir geagea ...and now the Lfers blame everything ..and I mean everything On ELIE hobeyka ...if you ask an Lfer why did LF do the massacre of "???????" even if they dont know about it, they say its hobeyka ...backed by the syrians

Samir Geagea ..No Comment ! He is a killer ..a cold-blooded Killer !


The only christian leader who really represented (and still does) the christians is General Aoun,

Honestly, I never adored GMA and never tried to know more about him ...but at the same time i didnt hate him ...he was to me another politician, When he came to lebanon and set his foot in his country (which he will be the future President of) ... I started to know more about him ..His history is clean, ....all what they can blame GMA of is his craziness and his Tamarrod ... ..I personally find this the best trait in a politician ...just like Youssef bek Karam ! Im liking him more and more ...day by day ..


Regards !

Tawa 11-04-2006 02:29 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Metalic Mercenary
Well, i wasnt born back at 1975 or at the time Bacir Gemayel was alive ...so i dont know what the chrstian community really was back then ....But i have read and heard that he was one of the most popular leaders of the chrstians although i dont agree with him on anything .... He did participate in many murders and massacres even though "fighting the terrorists" was his cause ..

Bachir Gemayel made a big mistake when he ordered the massacre of ehden and when he was involved in Sabra and Chatila ...backed by the israelis ...

+ .......

I think what he fighted for was the right of every christian but he turned out to be someone else ..

Elie hobeyka is a Pure LFer ..more LF than samir geagea ...and now the Lfers blame everything ..and I mean everything On ELIE hobeyka ...if you ask an Lfer why did LF do the massacre of "???????" even if they dont know about it, they say its hobeyka ...backed by the syrians

Samir Geagea ..No Comment ! He is a killer ..a cold-blooded Killer !


The only christian leader who really represented (and still does) the christians is General Aoun,

Honestly, I never adored GMA and never tried to know more about him ...but at the same time i didnt hate him ...he was to me another politician, When he came to lebanon and set his foot in his country (which he will be the future President of) ... I started to know more about him ..His history is clean, ....all what they can blame GMA of is his craziness and his Tamarrod ... ..I personally find this the best trait in a politician ...just like Youssef bek Karam ! Im liking him more and more ...day by day ..


Regards !

I don't know about all the names above, O_o I'm born in 1989, but I say the same thing that you said about Samir Geagea, as for Bachir Jmayyil, I don't know about the massacers, I hear people saying that he's clean, and people saying that he was with Israel... don't know... as for the General Michel Aoun, he's the Lebanese Dream... and I liked what you said about him...
But, I don't know what I feel that the christians will always be devided... I mean, We're not like the Muslims, all the muslims say: Allah Akbar!
ونحن لَ هللأ منتخانأ كيف لازم نصلّب إيدنا عَ وجّنا
But, I still have hope, everytime I think that the General will become the president, I become full of hope, because he can unite all the Lebanese People, not only the christians... The Free Patriotic Movements has chrisitians and mulims and drooz in it... Not like the Lebanese Forces, only Christians...

Let's Hope Guyz!!! :)

KeXasthur 11-04-2006 03:12 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawa
I don't know about all the names above, O_o I'm born in 1989, but I say the same thing that you said about Samir Geagea, as for Bachir Jmayyil, I don't know about the massacers, I hear people saying that he's clean, and people saying that he was with Israel... don't know... as for the General Michel Aoun, he's the Lebanese Dream... and I liked what you said about him...
But, I don't know what I feel that the christians will always be devided... I mean, We're not like the Muslims, all the muslims say: Allah Akbar!
ونحن لَ هللأ منتخانأ كيف لازم نصلّب إيدنا عَ وجّنا
But, I still have hope, everytime I think that the General will become the president, I become full of hope, because he can unite all the Lebanese People, not only the christians... The Free Patriotic Movements has chrisitians and mulims and drooz in it... Not like the Lebanese Forces, only Christians...

Let's Hope Guyz!!! :)

Well first we have to seperate between the divisions of Druze-/sunnis/shii3a in muslims .....maronites/catholic/orthodox/etc in christians

AND

the divisions between the christian parties in lebananon and between the muslim parties in lebanon !

In Islam, there are differences between shi3a/sunni/druze ...just like there are diff..between maronites /catholic/morthodox .. and there are Divisions between the christians in politics and between the muslims in politics ...

but you cannot say that since LF and FPM are divided then the chrsitians religiously are !! and even if you mean politically, also there are muslim figures on different lines like HA/ Hariri ...Karameh/hariri ...etc ...

the divisions in lebanon happen with all religions !

We have to fix them ..but our priority should be Lebanon United !:)

lebanese_a 11-04-2006 03:23 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Metalic Mercenary

Bachir Gemayel made a big mistake when he ordered the massacre of ehden and when he was involved in Sabra and Chatila ...backed by the israelis ...


How was he involved in Sabra and Chatilla??????????? He was dead allready dead!!

Tawa 11-04-2006 03:28 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Metalic Mercenary
Well first we have to seperate between the divisions of Druze-/sunnis/shii3a in muslims .....maronites/catholic/orthodox/etc in christians

AND

the divisions between the christian parties in lebananon and between the muslim parties in lebanon !

In Islam, there are differences between shi3a/sunni/druze ...just like there are diff..between maronites /catholic/morthodox .. and there are Divisions between the christians in politics and between the muslims in politics ...

but you cannot say that since LF and FPM are divided then the chrsitians religiously are !! and even if you mean politically, also there are muslim figures on different lines like HA/ Hariri ...Karameh/hariri ...etc ...

the divisions in lebanon happen with all religions !

We have to fix them ..but our priority should be Lebanon United !:)

well... yeah man, you're kinda right... O_o
we should be United after all...
Once again, Let's Hope... and WORK FOR IT!!! :D

No One 11-04-2006 03:31 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
im gonna talk abt the ones i know
- Samir geagea: what he did for christians?? well many things w the most important thing eno killed us...
i live in furn el chebbeck, w Samir Geagea w taweb3o were helping sirya "la ye7er2o din lebnen" w he didnt take in consideration that 4/4 from the pple who live in ain-remeneh, furn el chebbeck, to7wita...were christians
so i cantb tell u how much i hate this person...
- Bachir Gemayel: i donno him, bas dad adore him, w he told me many gr8 things abt him...w eno he was our Hope
- General Aoun: i adore him, respect him, hes our Hope...and represents us...w im not saying that bcz im an FPMer...eno we r educated persons and we can deffrenciate btw gd & bad pple...w GMA is one of the greatest leaders...

Malak 11-10-2006 02:33 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
well they think that ein el remmany and ashrafieh and even bsharreh are for lf ppl
well i want to tell them that they are wrong, not any more!
zat's the truth believe it or not!

the_pain 11-11-2006 02:01 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Metalic Mercenary
Well, i wasnt born back at 1975 or at the time Bacir Gemayel was alive ...so i dont know what the chrstian community really was back then ....But i have read and heard that he was one of the most popular leaders of the chrstians although i dont agree with him on anything .... He did participate in many murders and massacres even though "fighting the terrorists" was his cause ..

Bachir Gemayel made a big mistake when he ordered the massacre of ehden and when he was involved in Sabra and Chatila ...backed by the israelis ...

+ .......

I think what he fighted for was the right of every christian but he turned out to be someone else ..

Elie hobeyka is a Pure LFer ..more LF than samir geagea ...and now the Lfers blame everything ..and I mean everything On ELIE hobeyka ...if you ask an Lfer why did LF do the massacre of "???????" even if they dont know about it, they say its hobeyka ...backed by the syrians

Samir Geagea ..No Comment ! He is a killer ..a cold-blooded Killer !


The only christian leader who really represented (and still does) the christians is General Aoun,

Honestly, I never adored GMA and never tried to know more about him ...but at the same time i didnt hate him ...he was to me another politician, When he came to lebanon and set his foot in his country (which he will be the future President of) ... I started to know more about him ..His history is clean, ....all what they can blame GMA of is his craziness and his Tamarrod ... ..I personally find this the best trait in a politician ...just like Youssef bek Karam ! Im liking him more and more ...day by day ..


Regards !


Sabra & Chatila massacre was done on the night of 16 september 1982, Bashir Gemayel (RIP) was already dead.

Learn some history and don't accuse for the sake of it.

KeXasthur 11-11-2006 02:25 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Dont worry pain, I read history,

The phalangists did it, decisions were taken before he died, and if he couldnt control some bloody terrorists of his who like to drink the blood of innocent children , then its his fault .....

zizou911 11-11-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Welcome to the forum.
Arabic in Latin is not allowed here.
please read the rules

Bach_10452 11-17-2006 09:19 PM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Kamil Chamoun : Best President Ever
Bachir Gemayel : The best among all of them , he was clean he worked for the christian community and lebanon he was the hope of lebanon and those who accuse him of being a murderer and dirty , read history and dont talk for the sake of talking
Michel Aoun : Clean, Respect him
Samir Geagea : Made mistakes in the past , Respect Him as well..

Tawa 11-18-2006 10:15 AM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bach_10452
Kamil Chamoun : Best President Ever
Bachir Gemayel : The best among all of them , he was clean he worked for the christian community and lebanon he was the hope of lebanon and those who accuse him of being a murderer and dirty , read history and dont talk for the sake of talking
Michel Aoun : Clean, Respect him
Samir Geagea : Made mistakes in the past , Respect Him as well..

Nice... O_o I liked that you said about Bachir and what you said about Aoun O_o but for Samir Geagea, I can't repect someone who said that he will protect the christians, and he killed christians O_o...

Mak 11-18-2006 10:37 AM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Kamil chamoun : 100% the opposit of dory chamoun
Bachir Gemayel : excelent leader, clean person, popular...but he didn't have time 2 rule.
Samir GeaGea : 100% the opposit of Bachir...dont consider him as a christian leader.
General Aoun : excelent leader, clean person, very popular....and he is working for lebanon as much as 4 the christians

xcoder 11-18-2006 10:49 AM

Re: Christian leaders.. What did they make for a better Lebanon?
 
Actually i don't see general aoun as a Christian leader but as a patriotic leader.
It's true that he represent the biggest part of Christians but it doesn't mean he's a christian leader because he works for lebanon including the christians of course.
That's actually the problem i face with some FPMers who think that FPM is a christian party which is WRONG!
I have lot of friends who are non christian and FPMers and worked real hard during the syrian occupation and still working even thought some of them were affected by the media that shows FPM as a christian party like LF or Kateeb...
talking about christian leaders.
samir geagea actually have done terrible things to the christian community.
Bachir gmayel had a huge popularity among christians but he made many mistakes especially by sending samir geagea to kill tony franjiyeh and his family.
Amin gmayel: no longer counted as christian leader since he no longer represent enough base.
Dany Chamoun: clear person and knew what he wanted he was excluded many times and he never changed his views i do have lot of respect to Dany but not for his brother who's kinda lost and destroyed the ahrar which almost disapeared or merged in the FPM base most likely.


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