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bibo1100 12-15-2006 07:41 AM

حزب الله و التيار
 
شاحنة محمّلة بأعلام حزب الله الصفراء تمر على الحيّ المسيحي الجمازية في وقت مبكّر من صباح يوم الأحد في مدينة بيروت.

هناك صورة زعيم حزب الله حسن نصر الله على الزجاج الأمامي، لكنه ليس اسمه الذي يهتف به الشباب في الداخل. "جنرال، جنرال! "يهتف هؤلاء الأولاد الشيعة الشباب.
هتافهم لحليف زعيم حزب الله الأكبر المسيحي، الجنرال السابق ميشال عون. وهذه الشاحنة تستحوذ على دينامية مهمة العديد من الصحافة الدولية واللبنانية حذفتها من تغطيتها في الأيام القليلة الماضية -- تقريبا ربع الحشود في الاحتجاجات الضخمة ضد الحكومة كانوا مسيحيين لبنانيين.
حجم والتزام المشاركة المسيحية أصبح واضحاً يوم الأحد، آلاف المسيحيين من التيار الوطني الحر لعون زحفوا من شرق بيروت للإنضمام إلى حلفائهم الشيعة في الدعوة إلى استقالة رئيس الوزراء .
"كلنا مسيحيون ونحن ضدّ الحكومة، "يوسف بعمر 45 سنة من شرق بيروت أخبرني عندما كان يمر مع ابنه، "نحن نريد حكومتنا اللبنانية الخاصة بدون تأثير سوري، ولا تأثير أمريكي ولا أيّ تأثير من البلدان العربية الأخرى. "
أنا * لكن ألم يتم إخبارنا بأنّ حزب الله فقط وكلاء سوريون؟ لماذا سيرغب مسيحيون قوميون معادون لسوريا أن يكونوا في تحالف معهم؟
"لا! لست قلقاً بكون حزب الله يعمل للسوريين، "يوسف يتعجب. "ربما حزب الله يحب كلمات سوريا ضدّ إسرائيل وأنهم يدعمون سوريا * لكن في لبنان هم لبنانيون! "
بالنسبة ليوسف، الحقيقة بأنّ حلفاءه الشيعة لم يسبق لهم أن اشتركوا في حروب بلاده الأهلية الكثيرة يبرهن بشكلٍ كاف على التزام الحزب بالقومية اللبنانية. "حزب الله لم يسبق له أن استعمل أسلحته داخل لبنان ضدّ اللبنانيين، "يوضح، "ليس مثل الجانب الآخر؛ هم جميعا قتلوا بعضهم البعض وأداروا ميليشيات."
بينما يمشي المتظاهرون، يمرون على طاقم تلفزيوني يعتقدون أنه من تلفزيون "القوات اللبنانية ", شبكة تعود إلى حزب مسيحي مؤيد للحكومة اصطفّ بحزم ضدّ حزب الله وسوريا.
"الناس المسيحيون في لبنان مختلفون عما تعرضونه على التلفزيون! "يهتف شاب في فريق التصوير بينما يشترك معه الآخرون، "أوقفوا أكاذيبكم! "
"نحن نصرخ فيهم لأنهم لا يقولون الحق، "توضّح لي منى البالغة من العمر 30 سنة بعدما جعل مسؤولو الحزب الحشد يسير" هم يقولون بأنه فقط المسلمون هم الذين يحتجون هنا. هم يقولون كل المسيحيين ينتمون إلى القوات اللبنانية. لكن انظر، نحن نتظاهر هنا ونحن لسنا شيعة! "تقول مثارة.
شاردين البالغ من العمر ثمانية وعشرون سنة يعتقد أن أجهزة الإعلام تتجاهلهم عمداً. "نعرف كل أجهزة الإعلام في العالم، خصوصا الأمريكية، تحاول أن تجعل الصورة فقط الشيعة. هم لا يريدونها أن تبدو بأن اللبنانيين متحدين ضد الحكومة، "يخبرني.
من الصعب القول بالضبط كم من المسيحيين اللبنانيين ينتمون إلى أطراف مصطفة مع حزب الله أو الحكومة. كلاهما سيخبرونك بأنّ أعدادهم تشكل حتى 70 % من كل المسيحيين في لبنان * وهذا بشكل مستمر رقم مثير للجدل لا يبدو أن أحدا في الدولة يعرف الإجابة عنه.
"هم ليسوا أغلبية المسيحيين، "يستهزىء حمد البالغ من العمر 26 سنة عندما كان يراقب استعراض الحشود. "هم ربما كانوا مع عون، لكن ليس الآن هو مع حزب الله." داعم موالي للحكومة، حمد يصف التحالف بين التيار الوطني الحر لميشال عون وحزب الله فقط كزواج منفعة .
"عون فقط يريد أن يكون الرئيس وحزب الله وعده بذلك، لذا الآن هو سيعمل أي شيء للوصول لهذا، "هو يتهم. "هو سيعمل مع الشيطان فقط لكي يكون رئيساً! " زياد صديق حمد يقاطعه.
بالنسبة لهؤلاء المؤيدين للحكومة، ' الشيطان ' هو سوريا. وهو انعطاف غريب من السياسة اللبنانية أن يكون ميشال عون الذي صرف العديد من سنواته في منفى في فرنسا عاملاً ضدّ السوريين وداعياً إلى انسحابهم من لبنان -- الآن في تحالف مع حزب الله المدعوم من سوريا؛ تاركاً العديد من اللبنانيين ينظرون إلى هذا التحالف الجديد كمراوغ. "أعتقد بأنه تحوّل إلى سوري الولاء، "حمد يهاجم. "أعتقد بأنّه حتى يعمل لهم الآن، السوريون."
حرص حزب الله على إبراز حلفائه المسيحيين كان واضحاً في اجتماع المعارضة الضخم يوم الجمعة، أُعطي عون دور المتكلّم الرئيسي بدلاً من المفضل عند الحشد زعيم حزب الله حسن نصر الله؛ والعديد من المؤيدين لموالي الحكومة ينظرون لهذا النوع من الحركات التكتيكية بشكل متهكم جدا. "يجعل عون يتكلّم ليحاول وُيري الناس بأنّ المعارضة متحدة. حزب الله لا يهتم بعون حقا. هم فقط يريدونه الآن -- لاستعماله للقول ' المسيحيون معنا '، "يزعم حسن.
أياً يكن وراء هذا التحالف الغريب بين المجموعة الشيعية المتشدّدة وحلفائها المسيحيين، هو ينتج بعض المزج الثقافي الفريد بالتأكيد. بينما يصل الموكب كاثدرائية ست جورجيس في مدينة بيروت، شاحنات تلفزيون حزب الله خارج الجبهة تنقل حشد يوم الأحد مباشرة. "لا ، لا تتم عادةً إذاعة حشد يوم الأحد على المنار، "إحد الآباء يخبرنني بالداخل، "لكنه لا يزال فقط حشد طبيعي، لا شيء سياسي يقال هنا."
عندما اتخذت طريقي خارجاً من الكنيسة المكتظة، مررت على طفل بمظهر مرح على درجات السلم. لديه فانيلة وسوار برتقالي بلون التيار الوطني الحر لعون، لكن قبعة حزب الله صفراء وصورة حسن نصر الله تتدلى حول رقبته.
"أوه نعم، أنا مسيحي، ذهبت للتجمع، "يوضّح جوزيف البالغ من العمر تسعة عشر سنة. . . وأنا، لماذا لديك صورة الرجل الذي يراه الغرب زعيماً إرهابياً معلقة عليك؟ "لأنني أحبه، "يقول جوزيف ببساطة، "هو رجلٌ جيد، وهو ليس سيئاً مثل كل الآخرين."
لاحقاً في العصر، ممثلون من كل حلفاء حزب الله ُيعطون المسرح، لكن الحشد أُخبر بأنّ الخطابات لن تبدأ حتى ينزل كل شخص أعلام حزبه. بعد خمس عشرة دقيقة من التأخير ,كمية محترمة من الأعلام اللبنانية تهيمن وتلفزيون حزب الله يُسمح له ببدء الإرسال.
مرة أخرى، المطلب العام لاستقالة السنيورة الفورية، لكن الاستماع إلى الخطابات من هؤلاء الناطقين باسم المعارضة، هناك مواضيع توحيدية جدا هنا تجلب هذا التحالف غير المتناظر على مايبدو معاً.
حلفاء حزب الله المسيحيون والدروز يقفون بفخر مع جيش الحزب الشيعي، وهم يشتركون مع اتهامات حزب الله أن الحكومة أخفقت أن تدعمهم بشكلٍ كاف أثناء حرب يوليو/تموز مع إسرائيل.
"أثناء الهجوم الإسرائيلي، الحكومة وقفت على الجانبين إن لم يكن ضدّ المقاومة! ' بكى زعيم حزب الدروز المعارض طلال إرسلان. "ربما تنفيذ مقاومة إسرائيل ُنفذ من قبل الشيعة، لكن أنا طلال إرسلان، أنا أحدكم! "
لقد كان يوماً طويلاً والجو بدأ يبرد، لكن الحشد ردّ بحماس إلى نداءاته. "نحن مستعدون لإعطاء دمنا إلى هذه المقاومة، " هو أعلن إلى حشد هاتف. "ونحن فخورون أن لا نُدعى حلفاء لإسرائيل * هذه الحكومة فقط تتبع القانون الأمريكي والصهيوني! "
إنّ الخطابات تنتهي والحشود تتفرق ببطئ، بينما أولئك الذين ينامون هنا يستعدون لليلة أخرى. "حزب الله الشيء الأفضل الذي حدث إلى لبنان، "موريس يبلغ من العمر 24 سنة ,مسيحي، يخبرني. "هم لبنانيون حقيقيون. إسرائيل عدوتنا أيضا ونحن مع حزب الله ضدّ إسرائيل
bibo1100:paddle:


Ghnadine 12-15-2006 08:23 AM

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And the whats the point from this article?????:idea:

bibo1100 12-15-2006 08:45 AM

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dearGhnadine , my point from this aticle is 2 show that christians and muslims are with each others not against

sam88 12-15-2006 11:23 AM

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bibo1100 we didn't say anything against that point. i think that tere is a lot of meetings between both, so we will live in peace with our brothers muslims.

fmd03 12-15-2006 11:40 AM

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what takes my attention here is those who r with 14 shbat who still think that the alliance between "GMA" & "SHN" is purely masla7a bc GMA wants to be president. How do these people think? if this is true, then i think 14 shbat can give GMA the presidenship while hizbullah are not able to give him that. All what he had to do is to be Sa3id's puppet (like ja3ja3) and surely, they would have given him the presidenship.

xcoder 12-15-2006 02:05 PM

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I went to 14 march and i stayed for about 3 days in the tent back then.
i won't say it wasn't nice because we had a big hope and we threw the could pull the syrian out of the country.
but what i noticed is that there wasn't the same mix that we have currently in beirut.
I mean that we have hizb people in our tent and there are FPMers in the tents of the hizb and we talk about everything and i really felt the lebanese spirit which is not limited by any religion.
i had the apportunity to know about the people i never thought we can sleep side by side and have common goals.
Note there was no only christians and shiaa.
there was an FPMer from USJ that his father is an important person in the PSP but his parents doesn't know that he's FPM because they will most probably take him out the house.
also my friend fatima.
she's a 19 years old girl that her parents from future movement told her to go to 'michel aoun' when they knew that she is an FPM member. since then she's living alone and in the tents lately.
she's working and living alone because her fatantic parents couldn't accept her political believes same to her friend who is supposed to be in beirut for college and he also is an FPM member.
i am trying to find out a solution to those 2 persons from tripoly.
Seeing such people doing this for the sake of what they believe make me think again if i m doing enough for my cause.

Spoonpott 12-15-2006 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fmd03
what takes my attention here is those who r with 14 shbat who still think that the alliance between "GMA" & "SHN" is purely masla7a bc GMA wants to be president. How do these people think? if this is true, then i think 14 shbat can give GMA the presidenship while hizbullah are not able to give him that. All what he had to do is to be Sa3id's puppet (like ja3ja3) and surely, they would have given him the presidenship.

Man, 14 shbat will NEVER, EVER, give the presidenship to a strong christian. Know this: If FM get ja3ja3 to the chair, it wont be before it becomes their puppet, to do whatever they want.

KeXasthur 12-15-2006 09:28 PM

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Xcoder, your goals are transparent ..I salute you ..

These cases are abundant in Tripoli .. I live beside Tripoli and interact with many tripolians ..
Many of them are either religiously driven or bribed by money OR OBLIGED to follow the line of Saad el deen ...

Its really pathetic ... Its like a company ..I never knew this could happen to Lebanon.

I just hope we can get rid of their mentalities ..

They are talking about feudilism ..Can I know what kind of feudilsim is Frangieh applying ? At least each person has the right to follow his own political line ..and to express his thoughts ...in zgharta

In Tripoli, such educated people like the ones you met xcoder are the only hope of this city ..other than that, the poor are bribed by money, the youngsters and zo3ran are driven religiously ..

Its sad to see whats happening to people who are refusing the ruling system of a company that Saad el deen is applying in Lebanon.

May God be with you/them and your/their alikes ..

fmd03 12-15-2006 11:30 PM

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Man, 14 shbat will NEVER, EVER, give the presidenship to a strong christian. Know this: If FM get ja3ja3 to the chair, it wont be before it becomes their puppet, to do whatever they want.
This is exactly what i meant. If GMA's only concern was to become the president, then all what he had to do is be Sa3id's puppet, and he would have given him the chair. But because GMA is strong & clean, they couldn't stand him and even tried not to make him come to lebanon.

By the way, concerning the 14 March issue, as you know, other part of lebanese people (Mu3arada today minus FPM) went to 8 March and was agaisnt 14 March movement. This was not because we were agaisnt the syrian withdrewal from lebanon, but because we knew what those parties were made of, and we knew they will bring usa instead of syria. While GMA didn't know that for he was away from the country. This is just for clarification.

free world 12-15-2006 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoonpott
Man, 14 shbat will NEVER, EVER, give the presidenship to a strong christian. Know this: If FM get ja3ja3 to the chair, it wont be before it becomes their puppet, to do whatever they want.

let me tell u guys, you are so smart:crazy:. you know it all, about ja3ja3 Ha Na. and even GMA. mtaweeina. i thnk the next president of lebanon will be for sure a strong one and that is HA NA. why not he doesn't have to be christian who cares, he 'd make the best and strongest president, clean honest and of course a decision maker. he'd invite the israelis to destroy lebanon in no time , he's so good at doing that. he has proved it in the july 2006 war. or we could be a part of syria with a حاكم on us. why not . we could have all the bad things and the good things..but we never like to have a country of our own, a country we govern and rule. just coz all these guys wanna be leaders rulers and followers for syria iran israel , etc... wake up people , free urselves of any foreign hegomony. for all those who like syria and want syria and iran and.. go there , pack and leave. and stay there never come back,, but leave us alone..to be continued

fmd03 12-16-2006 12:01 AM

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who like syria and want syria and iran
there is a difference between like syria & want syria. u have the right to like whoever u want, bas u dont have to right to want anybody other than lebanon. Also, what about usa, france, and Israel. I think if part of lebanese people left to iran & syria and never returned back, the other part in our case should also leave to usa & israel and never come back. but nobody is leaving if the other part stays.

fmd03 12-16-2006 12:05 AM

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she's a 19 years old girl that her parents from future movement told her to go to 'michel aoun' when they knew that she is an FPM member. since then she's living alone and in the tents lately.


You see, they even can't accept their sons from their own blood, how would they accept felow lebanese??!!!

and they talk about "el a7zaib el shumooliyyi"

abousoun 12-16-2006 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by free world
let me tell u guys, you are so smart:crazy:. you know it all, about ja3ja3 Ha Na. and even GMA. mtaweeina. i thnk the next president of lebanon will be for sure a strong one and that is HA NA. why not he doesn't have to be christian who cares, he 'd make the best and strongest president, clean honest and of course a decision maker. he'd invite the israelis to destroy lebanon in no time , he's so good at doing that. he has proved it in the july 2006 war. or we could be a part of syria with a حاكم on us. why not . we could have all the bad things and the good things..but we never like to have a country of our own, a country we govern and rule. just coz all these guys wanna be leaders rulers and followers for syria iran israel , etc... wake up people , free urselves of any foreign hegomony. for all those who like syria and want syria and iran and.. go there , pack and leave. and stay there never come back,, but leave us alone..to be continued

so i think you already packed your stuff and heading towards Israel ... show them sourit Ja3ja3 and u'll be more than welcome there

Ghnadine 12-16-2006 01:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by free world
let me tell u guys, you are so smart:crazy:. you know it all, about ja3ja3 Ha Na. and even GMA. mtaweeina. i thnk the next president of lebanon will be for sure a strong one and that is HA NA. why not he doesn't have to be christian who cares, he 'd make the best and strongest president, clean honest and of course a decision maker. he'd invite the israelis to destroy lebanon in no time , he's so good at doing that. he has proved it in the july 2006 war. or we could be a part of syria with a حاكم on us. why not . we could have all the bad things and the good things..but we never like to have a country of our own, a country we govern and rule. just coz all these guys wanna be leaders rulers and followers for syria iran israel , etc... wake up people , free urselves of any foreign hegomony. for all those who like syria and want syria and iran and.. go there , pack and leave. and stay there never come back,, but leave us alone..to be continued

You know what makes me laugh people who actually talk like you do.:D first of all You said HN made the war in Lebanon thats good news but its old news habibi because the war was asked for by your lovely goverment to get rid of HN thats one. second So you think each one wants to become a leader well talking about the 14 idiots in the gov. for sure they want to be leaders what easier way to get rich and kill more people, I am not talking about all of 14 idiots but part of them I think you know who. Anyway From the way your talking it shows how much ta2ifieh you have, arn't we all Lebanese arn't we all created equal willa because we want Michel Aoun for presidency its bad... there's a difference between someone decent and honest (Michel Aoun)rulling the country and between someone who is taking advantage of the county and their position (The 14 Idiots yes thats who I'm talking about) to ruin the counrty. Have you ever heard of someone who actually Loves their country ask an enemy to have war with them kind of Ironic isn't it Do you actually beleive they love their country let me see.....NO:@ . Going Back to HN , at least when he speaks he's honest and decent and Never betrayed his country I thank the lord he was there to protect us during the war ولا كان رحنا سلطة, or do you think the Lebanese Army; (No disrespect, I love the Lebanese army) ; would have been able to defend the country especially that the goverment كتير سئلانه بتحضير الجيش (the army) with the right equipments
ما معتر الجيش اللبناني لا سلاح ولا شي, المهم ال 14 حمار في الحكومة يعبو جيوبن Do you actually think the leaders of the 14 Idiots give a crap about the country thank your god we do have Free people that are not puppets to other countries.You Said:
"but we never like to have a country of our own, a country we govern and rule" Michel 3oun in 1989 ;I don't know how old you r if you remember this; but he fought the Taef because he wanted Lebanon to be its own Leader and No وصايه from anyone but noooo Mr هنيك شغله Ga3ga3 wanted the Taef because he was promised an important position.
You Should be very Ashamed of yourselves , as a عونيه I think you know how much shit we ate from the syrians and how much beaten we took , So calling us Iranians or Syrians you should be very much ashamed of yourself.Especially when we have been fighting for 15 years to get rid of the وصايهor you forgot the الجيش كيف دعوسنا ول رشاشات المي.

شو الهويه اللي حملتيها لبنانيه مش هيك and the people who were killed by the Israelies During the July war what are they Iranians, or Syrians (all though they supported HN),aaa O_o they're Lebanese or arn't they answer me that? with the same Id that you have but they believed in Hassan Nassrallah, If only we all stood together as Lebanese during the war instead of Mr. Sayoura (Excuse my French) طيزي saying we didn't have anything to do with it and يدبرو راسن ,but our problem is you still think in a way that يلا حطوا حسن نصرالله as a president see that is Ta2fieh itself saying that in your Ironic way,if people thought of everyone in Lebanon as Lebanese only not which religion you belong to,we would never have had such a goverment or 15 years of eating shit or even a Syrian وصايه but because of people who think like Samir Ga3ga3 :paddle: and the othe Idiots in the 14 Feb we will never be fine.
Since 18 months what has changed in this country :@ say it again: NOTHING
بعدو في سرقة أكتر من قبل و قتل يلا وما في مي ما في كهرباء and Less work more unemployment. Do you know who عوض for the people in Jnoub... Let me see O_o Hezbullah and only them;its good some of the counties تبرعوا to build do you know why they تبرعوا not give money because they know what kind of goverment we have that they would steel it, like they did with the مساعدات they sold them; the goverment up till now says it dosn't have money يا حرام معترين كل واحد في بحسابوا اقل شي 2 مليون دولار:paddle: to build , from where from هالشعب المعتر . So please before giving us a speach about Freedom and Lebanon Think ok. (No offence but this is getting really tyring from you guys with the Syrian Iranian subject ).

fmd03 12-16-2006 09:17 AM

Re: حزب الله و التيار
 
Ghnadine: are you a lawyer? if not, i think u should be ;)

Ghnadine 12-16-2006 05:22 PM

Re: حزب الله و التيار
 
Thanks but I'm not, Most of my Family is but I never wanted to be a lawyer.

بعدين الحق حق This Goverment is tsaking us down the Drain,
ما بئا بدا الشغله تعبنا صار لازم التغيير و حكومة نظيفة


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