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erbaz 02-19-2007 07:49 PM

How far are you willing to go?
 
I want to ask the forum members here a few questions:
How far are you personally willing to go in a confrontation with your enemies? Will you resort to violence without provocation? Will you stand behind your leader until the end? In addition, would you state your age as well?

I'll start. (I know most of the members here have an orange persuasion)
I don't. I am not with the oppostion, nor Aoun, and I don't support HA.
I would never use violence against my lebanese brothers just because they support a party that I don't. I am afraid though that most of you wouldn't do the same. I lean to the other side, SG, Kataeb, Ahrar, GOTC, etc, but I will not follow any leader blindly and I don't think there is a current leader that represents me. How far are you willing to go in a confrontation with me? I'm 33.

El-Meghwar 02-19-2007 08:17 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
First of all,we dont have any enemies in Lebanon . the only enemy is Israel and the foreign forces that wants to create violence in Lebanon ,all the other lebanese parties are not enemies,they are just political opponents .
secondly,sorry to tell you that GOTC is not with the group you mentionned .they are not in the opposition nor with the government,u can check GOTC official statements and be sure .

so in the current crisis everything is limited politically,there is red lines that we mustn't cross .
this is a political crisis and the only solution must be political,violence is not allowed,civil war is not allowed .that's how we think that's how the opposition think .
and we hope that our opponents think the same way but unfortunately they don't,they tried to take the country to a civil war on the 23rd and 25th of January ,and by assassinating Ahmad Mahmoud and the other 4 martyrs in Tareek l jdideh,and God knows if they are also the responsibles of assassinating Pierre Gemayel and Ain Alak explosion etc ...
but thank God we have a great Army and great leaders in the opposition and we wont let anyone make a new civil war in Lebanon .
that's how far we're willing to go ,i trust General Aoun and i am very sure that i am in the correct way .
concerning the age issue,i don't think that someone's age is important.there is a lot of ignorant immature old people and a lot of very mature persons younger,so age isn't a standard .

xcoder 02-19-2007 09:34 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
Welcome to the forum,
well since you are 33 fix your profile it's set to 37.
back to the main subject why are you supposing that FPMers are blind followers and you're the ideal supporter? on what did you base your thought.
as far as i noticed from your posts in this community all of them were attacks and not looking to find common points which can lead to a solution.
I would never use violence against my lebanese brother either and i proved it while your side didn't.
as an FPM activist and supporter i don't follow someone called General Aoun i don't call myself aounist i am an FPM member and i agree on what FPM is doing and when i find the party doing wrong steps i say it and i even send messages to FPM leadership.
FPM is known that it has the less blind followers in all lebanese parties with all due respect to all other parties FPM is not based on a person but on a way of living in a country where people have rights and dues.
Most of the medias are launching campaigns against this party to smash its civilized clean image but this is going to lead no where just like the periode before the elections.
Btw as meghwar said GOC is not a loyalist party.
Regards,

erbaz 02-20-2007 01:07 AM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
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Originally Posted by xcoder
why are you supposing that FPMers are blind followers and you're the ideal supporter?
I didn't say that
I would never use violence against my lebanese brother either and i proved it while your side didn't.
Good to hear, however proving my side didn't use violence is wrong in 2 ways: I said I lean to a side, meaning, small support for them. They used violence for whatever reason, it was wrong and this is why I want to bring this subject up.
as an FPM activist and supporter i don't follow someone called General Aoun i don't call myself aounist i am an FPM member and i agree on what FPM is doing and when i find the party doing wrong steps i say it and i even send messages to FPM leadership.
Thanks for the info, part of what I am looking for.
FPM is known that it has the less blind followers in all lebanese parties
This is subjective and you and I could argue forever while it can't be proved either way.
with all due respect to all other parties FPM is not based on a person but on a way of living in a country where people have rights and dues.
LF have a cause not just a leader, same for Kataeb, same for HA, said for Tayyar
Most of the medias are launching campaigns against this party to smash its civilized clean image but this is going to lead no where just like the periode before the elections.
May the best party for Lebanon win elections and campaigns so long as we can avoid violence, war, etc.
Btw as meghwar said GOC is not a loyalist party.
Got it.
Regards,

See that wasn't so bad, right. Who else. I am sure many don't agree with you 100%

Jean 02-20-2007 03:53 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by erbaz
I want to ask the forum members here a few questions:
How far are you personally willing to go in a confrontation with your enemies? Will you resort to violence without provocation? Will you stand behind your leader until the end? In addition, would you state your age as well?

as the fellas said, we don't have any enemy in lebanon, we are all lebanese, we have the same blood, and that's what we are trying to say everytime, but we are accused for being syrian agents or iranians puppets, and some of them accused us for not being lebanese at all.
so, we have different political ideas , and the law gave us the right to express our opinions freely, and the right to oppose the goverment, or any authority that doesn't respect the people.
that is sign of democracy in a civilized country, but here in lebanon, we are always accused for being traitors, yesterday we were israelies, and today , we are syrians . it's like we are not allowed to state our opinions.
as a lebanese , i see that now we have the chance to make a change in the country, there are people that stole our money, and killed the lebanese , so we are not going to stop our mouvement, until we clean the country from the criminals.
we are not asking to exile them, or to kill them, but let them stay away stop stealing our country.
the opposition is not even saying that, they are saying that they want to participate in the goverment, with all the lebanese , do u consider that a crime ?

until now, all the opposition's activities were peacefull, except what happened on the bloackage day, and i don't that the oppostion members fired at any person, but some of its members get killed, and some of them are hurt, mark hoayek is still in the hospital, and he's paralysed bcuz he got hsot from the back, by the goverment's militias.
so we are willing to continue in a peaceful way, until the resignation of this goverment.

and u have to know very well, that we are not blind followers, we are opposing the goverment that stole our money, and all the lebanese money, without any exceptions.

Quote:

I'll start. (I know most of the members here have an orange persuasion)
I don't. I am not with the oppostion, nor Aoun, and I don't support HA.
I would never use violence against my lebanese brothers just because they support a party that I don't.
well that's an important sign, we don't say that all the goverment's supporters are using violence , but there are many clear cases

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I am afraid though that most of you wouldn't do the same. I lean to the other side, SG, Kataeb, Ahrar, GOTC, etc, but I will not follow any leader blindly and I don't think there is a current leader that represents me. How far are you willing to go in a confrontation with me? I'm 33.
it's your right to lean to any side, and that what the fpmers believe in, we respect your opinions, and we ask you to respect ours. and sure, none of us is willing to make a fight with you, or any other person, that's why we are making a dialogue via this forum

Ghnadine 02-20-2007 04:57 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
How far are you personally willing to go in a confrontation with your enemies?
I would confront my ensmies with facts and figures nd discussion,Violence leads to hurt and pain which no one wants.

Will you resort to violence without provocation?
Never Violence is never a solution,but a barberic action done by ignorant people(That dosn't include Tire Burning or closing roads cause that isn't violence) Violence is the use of physical force to injure somebody.

Will you stand behind your leader until the end? In addition, would you state your age as well?
I would stand behind my leader because up till now you know from his Behaviour and actions that he actually loves his country and is willing to do the right thing for our country....سياده,حرية و إستقلال

Patriotic 02-20-2007 06:37 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
يعني لو فتحنا موضوع الحراس ما كان هـَ القد تحمستو

على كل حال، منطمنكن انو حزب حراس الارز هوي اليوم واقف على نفس البعد من الطرفين، وعندو مآخز عـَ الجنرال اكتر من غيرو لانو بـِ طبق متل "العتب عـَ قد المحبي" ... وهوي اليوم بـِ يتفرج عـَ التنين

بس ما لازم ننسا انو تلاتي من عناصرو فاتو عـَ الحبس وبعدن عم يتحاكمو لـَ اليوم تحت سلطة السنيورة وبضاعتو

lara 02-21-2007 12:18 AM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
well , im hizbollah supporter and we are not "sha3b shoumoule" , we just faith in our issue , that israel is our enemy and we are freedom fighers , fight to occupy our lands and prisoners .

u know very well that HA never used violence against lebanese people , and the big proof is that they have a lot of weapons but they never use it agianst lebanese , they only use it against israel .

you are not our enemies , i have friends from all parties , and ill never fight with them or hate them just coz they dont support my political direction .we believe in democracy .

ill stand behind my ader until he throw away my issue ,then ill be the 1st one who stand against him .

Note : i dont think that the age is important , the big proof is that u can find a kid from HA or FPM smarter than a leader in some parties .

true lebanese 02-21-2007 05:44 AM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
when someone says will u use violence against another person in a different party, i laugh very hard. who am i going to use violence against, my friends? my relatives? who? i have friends in every single party " LF, Kateeb, ssnp, HA,..." who am i going to fight which one? i'm FPM which friend of mine am i going to fight, my cousin is LF do u think i will fight him? my best friend who i've known since i was 2 years old is LF will i fight him? No i won't who are we kidding? in our families or between our friends their are always some in different parties. violence leeds to distruction and that's exactly what we don't want. we are all lebanese and i swear u wont know the value of lebanon untill u leave it and see how inferior we are in the eyes of other people. i live abroad and trust me it sucks. my friends we are all lebanese, we should stand together.
i have a favor to ask. : " let peace be our goal" all of us. this is a shout from the bottom of a true lebanese heart to all the lebanese people.
thank you!

Patriotic 02-21-2007 01:19 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lara
well , im hizbollah supporter and we are not "sha3b shoumoule" , we just faith in our issue , that israel is our enemy and we are freedom fighers , fight to occupy our lands and prisoners .

I would like to tell you something, Israel is your enemy, and not Lebanon's enemy. Palestine and Syria are my enemis, but i cannot say that they are Lebanon's enemy, although i am sure they are.

So if you have any problem with Israel, we don't care about what will you, unless you will gonna be far from the Lebanese Security, but once you will throw a katioucha against Israel, and Israel will destroy our country, it will be my duty to negotiate you.

As for the prisonners, let me remind you that the PRISONNER and it is true because he is not KIDNAPPED in ISRAEL, but he is a criminal, Samir Kentar is married to a JEW woman, and he got 10.000$ per month, he is studying, he got two doctoras in JAIL, and he got interviews each year twise at least, so believe, he is not seeking to come back to Lebanon.:D

lara 02-21-2007 06:26 PM

Re: How far are you willing to go?
 
Quote:

I would like to tell you something, Israel is your enemy, and not Lebanon's enemy. Palestine and Syria are my enemis, but i cannot say that they are Lebanon's enemy, although i am sure they are.


we are like this in lebanon , every one have his own enemy , for this reason we are divided , coz everyone have his own enemy and everyone have his own friends . yes i know that israel is not your enemy , and i know that israel and america are ur friends , ana according to me , israel is my enemy , and iran is my friend .

but i guess that your reply is out of the subject , coz i was telling about Hizbollah issue , i wasn't talk about your issue . ;)


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So if you have any problem with Israel, we don't care about what will you, unless you will gonna be far from the Lebanese Security, but once you will throw a katioucha against Israel, and Israel will destroy our country, it will be my duty to negotiate you.


your duty is to liberate your land , then come and negotiate Hizbollah .

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As for the prisonners, let me remind you that the PRISONNER and it is true because he is not KIDNAPPED in ISRAEL, but he is a criminal, Samir Kentar is married to a JEW woman, and he got 10.000$ per month, he is studying, he got two doctoras in JAIL, and he got interviews each year twise at least, so believe, he is not seeking to come back to Lebanon.
about samir kentar , from where u got ur informations ? do u have a proof ? if you have a proof send it to me :D


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