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Justin 08-18-2007 03:35 PM

An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Is it right? Should we live by it? Or is it wrong? Inhumane?

Well for me personally, I think it's a pretty fair system. If u dun think so think about this: A man breaks into ur house, he beats, rapes, then kills ur mother. He then continues his crime by cuttin' off her head n then he writes from her blood, all over the walls...:o:crazy:

How would u feel about him then? Shouldn't the same b done 2 him? I say cut off his "....." ;) But that's just me... I mean, ppl feel differently about things... But seriously, it's hard 4 me not 2 think that an eye 4 an eye isn't fair...

so what about u? Do u kill him & make the exact same thing he did ?

... Share Wit' Us:D

SysTaMatIcS 08-18-2007 04:18 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
if he do that in europe , the max thing will happen to him is being locked up for the rest of his life in a decent clean good food serving entertaining prison , where he can play sports all day , read books get connected to internet , have 3 meals a day , so thats his punishment :p .
i think its fair , but theres some cases where it shouldnt be applied , cant remeber em now :p , i think cuz he ddnt do it on purpose and stuff like that

J()e 08-18-2007 04:48 PM

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i agree with justin ..enno i cant stand it,knowing that the man who "......" is still alive or the same thing happened to him!! ....i know it's wrong but i cant stand it!

pink 08-18-2007 05:15 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
well if i c it now like a post id say nah i wont do the same thing he did...enno id be as bad and ewwwww as he is... and i believe that his punishment is God's job not mine wth revenge...
bas indeed wel hamdella it never happened nor shi areeb la ths story..4 me .bas if i imagine it,i cant be okay living and knowing tht sm1 killed my family nd hez still existin somewer:S!!

Sheriff Ice 08-18-2007 06:30 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

so what about u? Do u kill him & make the exact same thing he did ?
im against an eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth,
its not my job to punish him, only god have the right to punish ppl, im against killing in anyway, but i such thing happened to someone i know i dont know what i do, enno im human and feelings controls me, i dont think anyone can control himself in a such condition this is our nature, u maybe against killing and punishement but at that moment ur anger and hard feelings and the devil side of u will rule

Justin 08-18-2007 06:43 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icemaker (Post 93012)
im against an eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth,
its not my job to punish him, only god have the right to punish ppl, im against killing in anyway

Too bad I have to disagree with that, its not ur job to kill him, its not ur family's job to be dead on the hands of anyone... So I say, payback is sooo sweet, the revenge of making him feels & tastes the same pain that the family went through... u didnt commit a mistake when u called for REVENGE

Quote:

Originally Posted by icemaker (Post 93012)
.....and the devil side of u will rule

Hell, he knocked on the devil's door...

Tawa 08-18-2007 09:04 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pink (Post 92997)
well if i c it now like a post id say nah i wont do the same thing he did...enno id be as bad and ewwwww as he is... and i believe that his punishment is God's job not mine wth revenge...
bas indeed wel hamdella it never happened nor shi areeb la ths story..4 me .bas if i imagine it,i cant be okay living and knowing tht sm1 killed my family nd hez still existin somewer:S!!

I Agree 1000‰ With You. And I Would Like To Add Something, It's That We Can't Apply This System Everytime :S, For Example, If Someone Raped You, And You're A Girl... What Will You Do? Go Rape Him? :lool:...

Thank You :D

KeXasthur 08-18-2007 10:06 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Actually , the " eye for an eye " morality is one of the fundamental and basic parts of LaVeyan Satanism which calls for vengeance and retaliation to others' actions as opposed to Christian teachings of turning the left cheek when hit on the right.

Many say that the only way life would go on as it should is by forgiveness, otherwise there would be no end for conflicts and problems. But it's obviously clear that one cannot control his rage and emotions especially if someone so close to him was the victim , and if the crime was brutally executed. And I'm Ok with that. I mean, emotions are a big part of every human, and they influence the way he acts. Some people do not feel "ok" until they avenge.
Therefore, I'm ok with revenge.

But I prefer the revenge to be a way of teaching him a lesson ( sweet revenge ) rather than wasting one's life just for the sake of doing so. And The word is torture ! The best rule would be that each person is given right to inflict pain and torture on the murderer : both inner torture and limited physical torture. It can be pictured as a situation where you have just caught an animal which you have advantage on.

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Sheriff Ice 08-19-2007 10:35 AM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheriff Justin (Post 93020)
Too bad I have to disagree with that, its not ur job to kill him, its not ur family's job to be dead on the hands of anyone... So I say, payback is sooo sweet, the revenge of making him feels & tastes the same pain that the family went through... u didnt commit a mistake when u called for REVENGE

man i dont think revenge is the right action, enno u r correcting the error with a bigger one, i dont think this is right

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheriff justin
Hell, he knocked on the devil's door...

yeah maybe ur right but who are you to punish him?!?! only god have this authority

might3d 08-19-2007 11:07 AM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
العين بالعين و السن بالسن
هذه شريعة الله رب العباد ، فلا تتفلسفوا ، اساسا إن الله لا يطلب رأي أحد من عباده ، بل يُنزل الدين و على الناس أن يطيعوه
فمن أطاعه كان خيرا لنفسه و من عصاه فعليه أن يتحمل عواقب أفعاله

و لحسن حظ البشرية ، اجتمعت كل الأديان على هذه الشريعة و هذا تأكيد واضح أن الدين لا لغط فيه انما الناس هم الذي يُضلون أنفسهم بأنفسهم

أريد أن أوجه حديثي الى الذين قالون : هذه صلاحية الله وحده :
إن الله خلق الإنسان و أعطاه العقل ، و هداه طريقي الحق و الباطل ، لا بل أكثر من ذلك أعطاه التدبير و أرشده الى الصواب و أجبر الناس بتطبيق العدل ، فمن كان مذنبا وجب علينا تأديبه إلا اذا اعترف بجريمته و أدى ما يجب تأديته من قصاص فهنا وقع حسابه على الله . ولكن المنطق في العالم كافة قديما و حديثا يقضي بتأديب المجرم في حياته و لسوف يأتيه عذاب لا طاقة له به يوم القيامة

و أكرر و أعيد : المجرم وجب علينا تأديبه حتى يعترف بجريمته و يؤدي كل مستحقات الدَين للذين أجرم بحقهم
يعني بمعنى ثان : القاتل يُقتل و لو بعد حين (أو الظالم يُعاقب و لو بعد حين ) الا ان اعترف بجريمته (ظلمه ) و طلب الغفران ليبرأ نفسه أمام المقتول (أو المظلوم )و أمام ذويه و أمام الناس جميعا و أن يُقرّ بخطئه في الدنيا أمام الله ليكون بريء الذمة أمام الله و المقتول(أو المظلوم ) و ذويه يوم القيامة


نهاية ..هذا ليس رأي انا انما هذا هو دين الله عند اليهود عند المسيحيين و عند الإسلام

Justin 08-19-2007 11:10 AM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icemaker (Post 93122)
man i dont think revenge is the right action, enno u r correcting the error with a bigger one, i dont think this is right

U may dont think this is right, but I need to ask u this question:
do u really can sleep @ night & know that this murderer is out somewhere, in prison or even outside, & still alive?... does ur conscience tells u: "I wish I had a 2nd chance to meet him, just one more chance..." ?... don't u?O_o

Quote:

Originally Posted by icemaker (Post 93122)
yeah maybe ur right but who are you to punish him?!?! only god have this authority

Who is he to commit these thingz? God has the authority to stop this from happening, isn't that right? So I think I have the authority to take back what's mine...

The Cheese 08-19-2007 12:45 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
In some cases,it's fair to take revenge...after all,we're only humans,and emotions control us.Sometimes it isn't that easy to forget or forgive so for some people,revenge is justice.And I don't mind as long as it's a fair revenge but: An eye for an eye and pretty soon everyone is blind. Gibran

might3d 08-19-2007 01:06 PM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
عندما يتكلم الله رب العالمين يخرس الناس جميعا و عليهم الإنصات و الإذعان

لا ننسى أن الإنحطاط الديني و الأخلاقي لدى الشعوب التي تدعي الحرية و التحرر من الفكر الجاف ( الدين ) قد وصلت الى ما وصلت اليه من الإجرام بفعل نبذ الأديان وراء ظهورهم

و لو أن حقا نصل الى العمى لما كان سنها الله قديما و حديثا


و لا ننسى أيضا أننا نحن الجاهلون و الله هو الأعلم

No One 08-20-2007 11:44 AM

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wiz my whole respect for u might3d, fi tana2oud here,
shari3it moussa says: al 3ayn bel 3ayn wal sen bel sen
din masi7e says: man darabaka 3a khadika l ayman der laho l aysar
din esleme says: onsour akhaka zaliman aw mazlouman.. (donno it all)
so not all religions agree on that, hayde 1st pt
2nd pt, l scene that just gave, eno film mexique :S hala2 if som1 insult me, i wont reply la eno i dont care, they r just words
hala2 if som1 hit me akid bredelo yeha, la eno 7a2e erja3 elebdo mech 7a ed7aklo
Merci

Gilgamesh 07-26-2008 10:14 AM

Re: An eye 4 an eye, a tooth 4 a tooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by might3d (Post 93127)
العين بالعين و السن بالسن
هذه شريعة الله رب العباد ، فلا تتفلسفوا ، اساسا إن الله لا يطلب رأي أحد من عباده ، بل يُنزل الدين و على الناس أن يطيعوه
فمن أطاعه كان خيرا لنفسه و من عصاه فعليه أن يتحمل عواقب أفعاله

و لحسن حظ البشرية ، اجتمعت كل الأديان على هذه الشريعة و هذا تأكيد واضح أن الدين لا لغط فيه انما الناس هم الذي يُضلون أنفسهم بأنفسهم

أريد أن أوجه حديثي الى الذين قالون : هذه صلاحية الله وحده :
إن الله خلق الإنسان و أعطاه العقل ، و هداه طريقي الحق و الباطل ، لا بل أكثر من ذلك أعطاه التدبير و أرشده الى الصواب و أجبر الناس بتطبيق العدل ، فمن كان مذنبا وجب علينا تأديبه إلا اذا اعترف بجريمته و أدى ما يجب تأديته من قصاص فهنا وقع حسابه على الله . ولكن المنطق في العالم كافة قديما و حديثا يقضي بتأديب المجرم في حياته و لسوف يأتيه عذاب لا طاقة له به يوم القيامة

و أكرر و أعيد : المجرم وجب علينا تأديبه حتى يعترف بجريمته و يؤدي كل مستحقات الدَين للذين أجرم بحقهم
يعني بمعنى ثان : القاتل يُقتل و لو بعد حين (أو الظالم يُعاقب و لو بعد حين ) الا ان اعترف بجريمته (ظلمه ) و طلب الغفران ليبرأ نفسه أمام المقتول (أو المظلوم )و أمام ذويه و أمام الناس جميعا و أن يُقرّ بخطئه في الدنيا أمام الله ليكون بريء الذمة أمام الله و المقتول(أو المظلوم ) و ذويه يوم القيامة


نهاية ..هذا ليس رأي انا انما هذا هو دين الله عند اليهود عند المسيحيين و عند الإسلام

Quote:

Originally Posted by might3d (Post 93138)
عندما يتكلم الله رب العالمين يخرس الناس جميعا و عليهم الإنصات و الإذعان

لا ننسى أن الإنحطاط الديني و الأخلاقي لدى الشعوب التي تدعي الحرية و التحرر من الفكر الجاف ( الدين ) قد وصلت الى ما وصلت اليه من الإجرام بفعل نبذ الأديان وراء ظهورهم

و لو أن حقا نصل الى العمى لما كان سنها الله قديما و حديثا


و لا ننسى أيضا أننا نحن الجاهلون و الله هو الأعلم

LOL this guy is a treasure :p where did he go :p? Does anyone know in what museum he works :p?

Anyway to the topic of the thread? An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.....The first most primitive law man created. I am against it because of a lot of reasons. The above law doesn't even consider the possibility of the person performing the act at the first time being psychologically or mentally ill in need of treatment as opposed to being killed. The law above didnt see what many and many murderers later on in their life after the right rehabilitation managed to do and the many ways they helped society. In many countries. prisoners with long terms are the main source of blood donations made. In other countries they serve as cheap labor in areas normal labor won't work at. Many become religious and become at peace with themselves and repent their acts. Jails and prisons are not only expenses to the states but also money making institutions. Besides, if the man killed ur mom and this made u an orphan, by killing him back you have decided to punish his children or any family he has for example who probably had nothing to do with it. People are so excited about killing each other that they forget how final such decision is and how far reaching its results can be by affecting people who had no fault in the same place.

P.S. Whenever u find an answer to a moral question or dilemma easy (like in this case, an eye for an eye), you can safely assume it is not the best answer u will find cuz life's moral dilemmas are complicated and can't be generalized and then solved like this.


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