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Gilgamesh 10-20-2007 03:57 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
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Originally Posted by Kain (Post 103613)
And every argument supporting ideas of God being non existant or every atheist's idea for that matter can also be refuted for that matter.
Depends on how you view it.:)

Why can't you grab the concept that it is not my job to prove something doesn't exist? It is your job to prove that it does. I can't prove that fairies and unicorns don't exist. I can't prove that a story like Lord of the Rings didn't really happen. It doesn't mean that I should believe that fairies and unicorns exist or take Lord of the Rings as a documentary of real history. So after an atheist refutes the reasons and logic behind the belief in God and we both see him do it, I will say that I have no reason now to believe in him while you will say,"I still have faith that God exists."
Good for you,that is where we split roads. This is endless, but I think that if you are really sure of your belief why not read some of the books I suggested. Read both sides of the argument.

Kain 10-20-2007 04:09 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
Sorry, i meant refute your refutations of our proofs lol:p
We studied some of them in philosophy last year. Mainly Auguste Le Comte. And i actually prefer greek philosophy. Socrates to be exact. But i'm through with all that. I mean i have no reason to read any books about atheists now that i have found my answer. And i have no more to say after that.
As you would like to dive more into atheism and how to refute ideas of God's existence, i would like to know more about my religion.

As you said this is where the road splits. Unless you have ideological debates then you're more than welcome.:)

Gilgamesh 10-20-2007 04:18 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
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Originally Posted by Kain (Post 103618)
Sorry, i meant refute your refutations of our proofs lol:p
We studied some of them in philosophy last year. Mainly Auguste Le Comte. And i actually prefer greek philosophy. Socrates to be exact. But i'm through with all that. I mean i have no reason to read any books about atheists now that i have found my answer. And i have no more to say after that.
As you would like to dive more into atheism and how to refute ideas of God's existence, i would like to know more about my religion.

As you said this is where the road splits. Unless you have ideological debates then you're more than welcome.:)


Maybe there are better answers, I never really wanted to become a Jew but I still read their interpretation of the Old Testament. Reading is always good whatever you read, too bad we can't buy time to read them all:)

Kain 10-20-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
I appreciate that but i know what's to come. Last year's philosophy teacher was a french atheist.:p We always had religious debates with him in class:)

SysTaMatIcS 10-20-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 103602)
Sorry,it is just too hard to force yourself to believe.Maybe you are right,I probably should believe in "god" as an insurance policy;I can't force myself though. If there is a "god" who will punish me for eternity because his evidence was so vague, I will just have to take the heat I guess. I choose reason,thus atheism.

thts y god has left the choise for humans ... u can either believe based on the weak evidences he has given u ... or be an atheist , inno sho baddak ?? c him ???

Kain 10-20-2007 06:41 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
They're not weak, Agnostics see them as weak whereas atheists see them as basically non existant.

Gilgamesh 10-20-2007 06:52 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
Till I meet someone who can coherently build an irrefutable argument to support his existence, I have no choice but atheism. Hate to upset you systematics

SysTaMatIcS 10-20-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
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Originally Posted by athegan (Post 103650)
Till I meet someone who can coherently build an irrefutable argument to support his existence, I have no choice but atheism. Hate to upset you systematics

such a person doesnt exist , do u think all this detailed creation came out from nothin! the ordinary water, rain water is not tht good for ur health , when it rains , this water goes into the ground and gets mixed with mineral salts tht are neccessary for ur body .... this is a weak example , there are other many examples , so do u think all of this is made by an accident!

Kain 10-20-2007 10:36 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
I agree with systa.
God won't just tell you now it's time. He'll give you signs to do that.
For all you know these threads were the signs. We have presented you with answers. And all your refutations of our proofs can as well be refuted.
We gave you proofs. Now tell me logically why you don't believe in them and how you could dismiss them.
Let us first try to establish GOD's presence before going into details of perfection and what not.

Tawa 10-20-2007 11:00 PM

Re: Does God Exist?
 
Believing In God Isn't Something That You Can Proove In A Mathematical Equasion Or Something Written Ya Kain.
Believing In God Is Something That Doesn't Need Proof, And I Disagree With Everyone That Said Isn't That A Proof? And Isn't This A Proof? And Isn't That Enough For You?
Believing In God Is Something That Each And Everyone Prooves For Himself. You Can't Convince Anyone With God's Existence By Posting A Small Text On VCoderZ Forum.

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