Did I freelly start this thread?
 

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hehehehe i read that :P now you will get banned for real :P

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You just opened a VERY loooooooooooooooong,boring and useless discussion...mr_j is going to be here soon....Allah yseme7kon :'(

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no, no free will :huh:

there is only interests
no matter what you do in life, it is not a choice, it's just a decision that suits your best interest at that particular point
opening this thread was the best thing justin could have done at that defined moment, and to him it seemed the most convenient thing to do.so he opened it, there were alternatives of course, but this was the best one at that time to him. so he was drawn to doing so, not a choice.
if you find 20 $ in the middle of a perfectly empty street, your "choices" are "pick it up or leave it" you can also eat it, rip it apart etc... but doesn't matter it fits under pick it up or leave it :huh: how many would leave it on the ground? is that really a 50 by 50 choice?
even what seems to be acts of "sacrifice" and "devotion" and whatever
I still see that as convenient to the person doing it
example: when you stop eating for the sake of religion, or when you use all your paycheck to buy a gift for the one you love
it would seem like there is nothing in it for you and that you are making a "sacrifice" but you're not actualy
you pray because you believe God is listening(I'm not questionning wether it is true or not, so lets not argue here) you bought that gift because you want the one you love to like you more, it's about you, it's human nature to go with best interest

believing in God and not believing in God is also not a choice really, it depends where you were born, how you were raised, how many atheist would you find in saudis arabia? did they really choose to be believers?

meh I can go at this forever, just poke at my arguments and toss me some more arguments, it's better than me talking to myself <<<----that is also my most convenient decision

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He'll tell you the same thing he told me:p
That you don't have free will...you have more interest in sitting here replying to him...you're compelled to do that more than you're compelled to do something else...

His version of free will is having a scale where both sides weigh exactly the same and then you'd have to choose between them:p

Other than that there is no free will...just a side that's better than the other.

What i kept saying to him again and again over the 3 hour long discussion we had is that:
The fact that u have 2 sides is the result of your free will...
The fact that one side weighs more than the other is because you think it's better....you don't always make the logical choice...sometimes your instincts and emotions get in the way...

His example ( the one he might give later on ) of the scale is false because if there is no free will then there is no other side to begin with.

He's talking either about VERY general stuff or diving into VERY detailed ideas and missing everything that's in the middle.

Going to the bathroom because you need to pee isn't really a good example Joe...it's your nature...you can choose to go to the bathroom whenever you want to...mesh enno 7a on7osir ya3ne i have no choice in the matter.

P.S: You don't always choose what goes along with your interest :)

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