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Originally Posted by athegan

Everything in black is irrelevant...As for the part in red, if you think HA could operate the way they did while the Syrian intelligence was present at large in Lebanon without a high level of cooperation between the two, I'd like to correct you cuz that is impossible...

Well y not? if u remember Athegan Hay l Selom Acts, n Ouza3i Acts, where HA in Hay l Selom was Against Government, and Got Shot by the Lebanese Army, i remember the MPs running between ppl trying to calm them, and a Sheykh was killed also @ dat time, dont u think that was a conflict between HA n Syria? & the lebanese Army as always was Kebesh l Ma7ra2a?

That continued with the Syrian-Iranian tensions and eventually turned into the Amal (Syria Backed)-HA (Iran Backed) war....Another episode of the same story of Lebanese people being toys for regional powers...

Well, yeah HA was a Toy and even without a true mind when Sub7i l Tfayle was el Ameen l 3am, Check After Sub7i l Tfayle, Sayed Abbas l Mousawi n Sayed Hasan Nasrallah, their only Objective was Israel, and Free the South, no toys thing, neither to Iran nor to Syria

There is a lot more that even FPMers and 14 marchers don't mention we agree here 3ala gher 3ade

I Cant Believe We Did

Point 1: Syrians ended the civil war...They did NOT. At least not alone. When you say Syrians ended the civil war it makes them sound as if they were the only reason there was a civil war. The civil war ended after many of the reasons, regional and Lebanese, disappeared or changed and after an American-Syrian deal hosted by Saudi Arabia with the use of Iran as a scarecrow that day and many other factors I don't wanna get into. I hope someone more knowledgable in the civil war will pick up from here...

B4 This, Syrians came to Lebanon becoz of Amine's l Jmayel Request, he went to Damascus to Hafez l Assad n Asked Him to Do This

Point 2: 1990- 2000...Clearly Mr. El-Meghwar for all HAers, they will have the same answer here that the Syrian Presence was necessary for HA operations. I will have to agree with them here, not on their operations or anything else, just on the fact that the created syrian situation in Lebanon helped HA a lot and gave them a big margin to accomplish what they did on many levels...So will u now say the Syrian occupation/presence was necessary for LEBANON?

The Occupation they way it was, was bad for Lebanon, I Agree that HA knew how to Live with That Occupation and Invest it for a PURE LEBANESE OBJECTIVE...w For Lebanon's Sake

Point 3: 2000-2005 Sweets_HsN, when you are the biggest most well financed most organized party in a country you don't wish you ACT...ACT...ACT...you do something not wish before sleeping. I am still waiting for some kinda argument from any HAer to present about the subject of Syrian Occupation from 2000-2005...If no such argument is presented, sorry El-Meghwar, you are not an ally right now with someone u used to "differ" with; you are an ally with an accomplice and traitor with an occupying country...Again waiting for a good argument to change my view on this...

Athegan, Seriously, What do U Prefer? Live NOT the way U wish, But Making Sure your people are Safe, OR, Live the way U wish, with another Civil war Against the 14 Marchers who LOVE the Syrian Boots ?
The Case Was, Either HA stays the way he was, commenting on Stealing and Social Needs and Accusing the Governments and the Syrians in an Indirect Way, OR, fight the Syrian Presence, make Israel Benefit From That, Knowing that Some Lebanese Who Present Now 14 March (Excluding GMA & LF @ That Era) will stand Aside with Syria, and Also, Not Sure of Rafic l Hariri ( Da Sunni Leader) position if such thing happens, what would he choose?
He Chose to stay Calm, build his Arms Silently, keep the things smooth, until the Time came after Hariri's Assassin, though it came in a very sensitive timing, but HA said Thank U Syria 4 Staying Beside the Resistance, He Didnt Say Please Stay Syria

Unless they convince you something vague like "If we don't come into your country, Israel will"

Bad Try , wat i meant was me as a HAer wont Accept Any Occupation whereever side it came from, and dats y we r fighting the new occupation of America represented by Sanyoura's Government and 14 Marchers, Fighting here is not by the means of Arms...

My answer to point 3 is worse than going to Anjar. HA where part of the team that made Anjar possible for at least 2000-2005....

How are they part? if they didnt participate in Anjar Meetings, wat ever, people who went there made it possible, when Rustum Ghazale Comes to HA leader, that tells that HA leader is not considering Rustum as a Big Thing or a Powerfull Marja3 in order to go la 3endo

So El-Meghwar and FPMers, do you agree with HsN's post since you didn't reply?

Between FPM and HA there is the MoU, it stated the Points That Lebanon is Facing now days Clearly, HA doesnt want a Powerfull Syria in Lebanon Again, neither FPM wants