[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

Well y not? if u remember Athegan Hay l Selom Acts, n Ouza3i Acts, where HA in Hay l Selom was Against Government, and Got Shot by the Lebanese Army, i remember the MPs running between ppl trying to calm them, and a Sheykh was killed also @ dat time, dont u think that was a conflict between HA n Syria? & the lebanese Army as always was Kebesh l Ma7ra2a?

No actually, I don't... Syrians successfully placed HA as a part of the consensus that agreed on the Syrian armed presence, agreed on the selectivity of applying the Taef agreement, agreed on the exile of Aoun and the imprisonment of Ja3ja3, agreed on the dynasty of Rafi2 Ben 7ariri. HA didn't participate in ANY demonstration or protest any worker's union called for and among them is 7ay l selom...HA care only about such incidents because they don't want to see Lebanese army next to their bases, and that is understandable since it compromises the safety of their bases in many ways ( it is understandable, but is it legal or legitimate? La 3yoonak, we will disagree here )

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

Well, yeah HA was a Toy and even without a true mind when Sub7i l Tfayle was el Ameen l 3am, Check After Sub7i l Tfayle, Sayed Abbas l Mousawi n Sayed Hasan Nasrallah, their only Objective was Israel, and Free the South, no toys thing, neither to Iran nor to Syria

They moved from being an unconscious toy (maybe) to being a "resistance" that benefits from the Syrian presence..They covered for the Syrian presence and helped them stay out of criticism in many ways...I think this point arises later on in our debate (be sha2fe tenye )

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

B4 This, Syrians came to Lebanon becoz of Amine's l Jmayel Request, he went to Damascus to Hafez l Assad n Asked Him to Do This

We now owe amine jmayyel the end of the civil war lol a7la w a7la Read Meghwar's post on this point and my reply to it because the two will sum up(in my opinion) to answer for this point....

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

The Occupation they way it was, was bad for Lebanon, I Agree that HA knew how to Live with That Occupation and Invest it for a PURE LEBANESE OBJECTIVE...w For Lebanon's Sake

You dodged the question...re-answer it buddy...and btw Amine l Gmayyel might claim that if Israel occupied lebanon he will "know how to live with that occupation and invest it for a PURE LEBANESE OBJECTIVE .... w For Lebanon's Sake "....occupation is occupation and they had right to cooperate with it that way (no one did)...

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

Athegan, Seriously, What do U Prefer? Live NOT the way U wish, But Making Sure your people are Safe, OR, Live the way U wish, with another Civil war Against the 14 Marchers who LOVE the Syrian Boots ?

Doesn't have to be either actually...to be continued ta7et

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

The Case Was, Either HA stays the way he was, commenting on Stealing and Social Needs and Accusing the Governments and the Syrians in an Indirect Way, OR, fight the Syrian Presence, make Israel Benefit From That, Knowing that Some Lebanese Who Present Now 14 March (Excluding GMA & LF @ That Era) will stand Aside with Syria, and Also, Not Sure of Rafic l Hariri ( Da Sunni Leader) position if such thing happens, what would he choose?
He Chose to stay Calm, build his Arms Silently, keep the things smooth, until the Time came after Hariri's Assassin, though it came in a very sensitive timing, but HA said Thank U Syria 4 Staying Beside the Resistance, He Didnt Say Please Stay Syria

twisted logic habeebe...Here is the truer version of the story... HA had 6 MPs at least during the Syrian Occupation of Lebanon..We are not talking here about fighting the Syrian Army( I think I have never suggested that)..We are talking about the national consensus that was available for Syrians to rely on that HA was part of...we are talking about sanadee2 sawda and political prisoners HA and everyone knew of...HA wanted Syria for known reasons and no real HA member will deny this( at least when no FPMers are around 1- Syrians were the only way all Lebanese people will "agree" on the concept of HA, 2- Syrians were the only cover for the selectiveness in applying the Taef agreement in ways so absurd we still suffer from,3- The arms thing and finally 4- only syrians could hold the Palestinian camps in Lebanon and prevent them from major problems with their Lebanese surrounding...Syrians provided the cover for HA operations politically because GMA, LF, Hariri (if not for Syrians) and Jounblat (if not for Syrians) would have easily created an allaince that would force HA in many ways to diminish its actions or abandon it all together or force them, which i see more likely, to turning shiite areas into vast camps outside Lebanese sovereignty w men ba3da nobody knows what happens..

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

Bad Try , wat i meant was me as a HAer wont Accept Any Occupation whereever side it came from, and dats y we r fighting the new occupation of America represented by Sanyoura's Government and 14 Marchers, Fighting here is not by the means of Arms...

America l shaytan l akbar w Syria dawle shakeeka that is thanked after years of occupation...If HA needs Syria in Lebanon again, they will convince you how important it is for Syrians to re-enter...

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

How are they part? if they didnt participate in Anjar Meetings, wat ever, people who went there made it possible, when Rustum Ghazale Comes to HA leader, that tells that HA leader is not considering Rustum as a Big Thing or a Powerfull Marja3 in order to go la 3endo

I have mentioned a lot already about this but I can say more...I come for the Southern Suburb of Beirut and have witnessed, a lot of times, frictions between Syrians and Lebanese in my area. HA was always there with the same words and the same arguments to present to the beaten Lebanese people who run to vote for them every four years in hundreds of thousands...HA prevented people from protesting the consecutive Syrian-agreed on governments of Rafik l Hariri..They backed away from their people in Hay l Sellom (the only historic rightful stance that was heard that day was by Sayyed Mohammad Hussien Fadlallah). They backed of hundreds of violations by Syrians that happened infront of their eyes against THEIR followers and preferred to always be "Al-shaytan Al-akhras." The matter of fact is Shiites according to some polls make up around 47% of Lebanese ppl or lets assume it is just 40%. You have 40% of Lebanese people unable to be heard outside the sphere of HA. Do you think that really those 40% of Lebanese people wanted the Syrians taking their jobs, imprisoning their children, stopping them everywhere and taking money from them for some reason and I am sure u heard, raping some of their children? Now to the other 60 %. With HA secured and thus any Shiite opposition that might arise to face Syria silenced, Syrians could move around the Sectarian map to continue forming the consensus. No need to mention in this forum how easy it was to buy Jonblat's or Hariri's silence since you all are aware of these facts. As for Maronites, Kate2eb mensha2, Owet ma7loul and Ja3ja3 imprisoned, and finally FPMers oppressed and their leader in exile...Game over Perfect political occupation with benefits for everyone who adopts it and oppression for everyone who doesn't...

Originally Posted by Sweets_HsN®

Between FPM and HA there is the MoU, it stated the Points That Lebanon is Facing now days Clearly, HA doesnt want a Powerfull Syria in Lebanon Again, neither FPM wants

Ba3ed shoo ? Did you notice that in all your post you didn't actually post any convincing argument for the Syrian presence in Lebanon between 2000 and 2005....still waiting for some real answer by any HAer...