[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by athegan

I have debated this point in many threads but I want to avoid to debate this era in this thread because maybe for once someone might convince the other in the politics section be shee....But for the record, HA's aim from fighting Israel extends beyond the south and beyond the Lebanese border, has always extended and will always extend far beyond the Lebanese border..Enough said here..

I disagree with you concerning this point, you may be right and i may be wrong, but this issue was solved in the MoU between FPM and HA.

No Meghwar...It is 1990-2000, 2000-2005, and 2005 to present...HA's position on Syrian follows a completely different path if it is before the Israeli withdrawal for the south or after it...As for the not allowed to cooperate, GMA was HA's enemy and they were his...nseeto ya allah ? Didn't you use to watch Kalam l-Nas at the time and did you forget all the rumors about GMA that were systematically surrounded in the Shiite bases?

ya khayye we were enemies welle baddak ye, but now we had negociations and reached common points of understanding and we are allies.
the most important thing is that Hezbollah won't welcome any syrian or any other interference in Lebanon again, if they do it, i'll stand against them.

Every Anjar visitor had his reasons...where they enough reasons to compromise the freedom of the people? Where they real reasons? And if they were, does every party have the right to decide to tolerate occupation AND cooperate with it for some agenda limited to the goals and aims of that party regardless of the collective benefit of the Lebanese people?

personally i'm against any party buying himself to a foreign force.
but the main question in here is : are those who cooperated with the occupation ready to cooperate with them if they invaded Lebanon again ??
in my opinion:

1. Hezbollah, Marada, LDP (erslan) will never cooperate with them... if they did they'll become traitors to me.
2. PSP, FM will always cooperate with any foreign force because their acts and History proved that they are only loyal to their pocket and their own interests.

This whole slave/master thing is childish.. Jonblat wasn't a slave, he sold his accepting vote of Syrians for a price...Money, common benefits, hidden deals, exchanging "favors" and so forth...The master/slave argument is something we say to make things easier to explain. Cute example. Thats what it is tho, cute and fictional. I don't doubt for a second that HA was out of conviction with the Syrian Occupation although I oppose that conviction vehemently...

U said it all
Jonblat was taking personal benefits from the syrians.
Hezbollah was taking NATIONAL benefits from the syrians, in order to free their country....
you can judge now

But so can everyone claim, they all had their reasons and now have other reasons to be with another team. HA, for the record, is not welcomed in the other team

why HA is not welcomed in the other team but Junblat, FM are ?? in your opinion the two were cooperating with the syrian occupation, so why the other team accepted FM and Jonblat with them but not HA ??
simply because Hezbollah have a cause defending it, but FM and Jonblat have nothing except their own personal benefits, they can be picked up by anyone and be used, but not Hezbollah... that's the difference between men of word, men of principles and low traitors.

Well thats all fine and dandy but if you are familiar with law and you know that accomplices are guilty and that is what HA was in the syrian case..But anyways, don't get to excited about hating the other team because sooner or later realignments will happen (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and you will be trying to find ways to justify ur switch...

of course if the other team reached common points of understanding with us, and changed their whole attitude they are more than welcome, in the end FPM is seeking to spread understandings culture in all the Lebanese community between everyone.

GMA will never actually say out of conviction that he is ok with the concept of an armed international proxy militia that exists on sovereign Lebanese land. That was what he believed in the civil war, after it, and I am still COMPLETELY convinced that he still believes in today but he felt the way to get there is the path he took. It is a political decision that was taken to end the subject of HA's arms in a manner that prevents Lebanon a civil war(presumably) but not an idealogical shift from GMA's side.

that's why there is something called a MoU with Hezbollah that made a reasonable solution for Hezbollah arms !!!

His bases, lel asaf, are going for an idealogical shift and becoming more excited about erasing Israel from the area or whatever such concept is than HAers are...All what am saying is, don't erase ur FPMer identity that has some standards GMA was the first to talk about in Lebanon. You are doing that, unconsciously i hope...

I won't be sad if Israel was erased from the map, in the end Israel is the main problem in the Middle East, if Israel was erased from the map, the refugees issue will be solved, all the military conflicts in the region will be solved, and peace will take place. are you sad with that ??
anyway we don't want to erase Israel from the map (but i won't be sad if it happened) we just want to secure our country, i will be only supporting hizbullah as long it defends Lebanon, i don't want its arms to remain but i have no option in front of the israeli killing machine, it defended me before and defending me now, why would i take off my shield?