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Originally Posted by mr_j
the veil is about covering the hair isn't it? so it is visibility
some customs maybe extended to covering all the arms (mostly for sunnis) to even wearing gloves
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Our maraje3 specify how much should be covered. Shiite women cover the arms too and down the wrists. Only the hands and face are allowed to be seen (With covering the face being a
recommendation and not a
must to some shiite maraje3)
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Originally Posted by mr_j
what societies are we comparing exactly?
christians in syria and lebanon do not use veils, wade3na mich hal2ad ta3is
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I don't want to start an argument that will go nowhere and just upset many forum members maybe, but I will only say this. I wouldn't ever want my shiite sub-society that lives within the lebanese society to be like the christian sub-society in Lebanon.
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Originally Posted by mr_j
but it doesn't seem optionnal in islam if you choose to show respect or not, for may physical contact especialy with strabgers is like a definite no
and it really restricts equal partnerships and friendships between opposite sexes
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It doesnt restrict it no. You are mixing up, it regulates it.
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Originally Posted by mr_j
it is normal to return from holiday vacation and shake hands and kiss your classmates, but the closest you might get t doing that with a female class mate is standing 4 feets away and bowing your head
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It is normal in your religion and culture, it is not in ours. Physical contact is unnecessary and might carry a lot of bad effects
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Originally Posted by mr_j
communication might be difficult when you need to constantly remind yourself not to take your eyes anywhere else than the face of the one you are talking to and at the same time make sure you do not hold eye contact or a gaze to the face that might be considered longer than usual and preceived as hostile.
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You are exaggerating, it is not hard at all. And ofcourse it is easier when all you can see is the face
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Originally Posted by mr_j
perhaps I am exagerating, it is because I really don't see the point
all of this is only to prevent impure thoughts that are inevitable anyway
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Now if you see a woman walking down the street wearing the proper veil with all the proper hijabi wardrobe and another girl with a short skirt and tight half-shirt, you will have inevitable thoughts towards both anyway?
And if they werent together and lets assume you are always h*rny and thinking about those ideas, will the same thoughts arise from seeing both?
If you say yeah, you would be just arguing for the sake of argument, and this thread has no space for that.
At the end, every rule might fail in very rare cases, but studying its overall effect on society is the way to judge its success.
As for the women, I think it is the ultimate way to respect them by keeping their beauty hidden and by keeping it for one man who she would give for all she has and he would do the same as well. The effects on relationships are really not hidden from anyone. Check the rates of cheating in any other society, the rates of rape, the rates of divorce, unwanted teen pregnancies and HIV and other STDs and then check them in a proper muslim society. After you do that, come and try with a straight face to say about a theory that works in practice that it is wrong in theory....