[Adam]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

well all i heard was things to go around the thing , its purely illogical , and iran about 4 months ago killed a man who converted to christianity , however its not mentioned in Quran to kill the converter with the source that you provided.

I don't understand what you mean. I didn't give a source.

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

and what adam is saying that Quran doesnt fit in our current times, i thought it was an all times book? , So no it doesnt make sense , all your trying to do is defend something that is purely illogical and try to find logical explanations for it , which wat i used to do too , but now i rather use my mind more logically.

I never said it doesn't fit in current time. What I said is that times will always change. Society, rules and laws can change from what we might perceive as savagery to a utopia. The Qur'ans rules help us toward the latter (Not stealing, not killing, self-control, helping the poor).

There have been many unlawful wars in the name of God and the Qur'an ever since the passing of the prophet, if you look at each of these wars you will notice that all the leaders broke major rules just so they can.
I used to doubt my belief and I still do from time to time. Sometimes the crimes committed in the name of God will start giving me the feeling that the religion promotes evil acts. But when I look into things, I realise that the ones committing the crimes aren't following the Qur'an, but doing exactly what it says you shouldn't do.

Now each person has a different view of what God is. I used to think of him as if he was a man. He was bound by pride, rage and other emotions. But then I realised that if he's omnipotent then he controlled by his rage for example. That is a human attribute.
Once I stopped thinking of him as a man, things got clearer. The way people talk about God, that he will be mad if you do this or that, leads people to belive that he's "human". And if he is human then what gives him the right to tell me what to do.

You can't just go and say that one thing is wrong or right without standing any philosophical ground.

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

And what about the verses in Quraan that keeps attacking the jews , arent they human as we are?

LMAO
You're finally seeing that Jews aren't evil?

The Jews were never attacked by the prophet simply because they were Jews. They are however referred to as Jews because that's what they were known as.
There was always a reason for the battles that were fought, and fighting was always a last resort.