asl el debate kelo ghalat a team can change a lot through history, take Liverpool as an example, keno hene asyed el premier league, won 18 titles until Man U rose and actually broke that record, u don't evaluate a team based on its history but based on its current achievements, don't get me wrong I like Juve and i love to see them fail because most of their fans are either egomaniacs or only support the team coz they support Germany
( not all of them are like this ) but damirian Bayern Munich right now are 5 times better than Juve, achieving more and quiet honestly playing better, I actually hope to see Juve in the CL next year then we would see how tough they really are