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Originally Posted by Adam
Here is an excerpt from a treaty with the tribes of Medina which include Jewish tribes:
"The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib. If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace..."
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That does not mean that peace is valued above other principles, namely pride. I should remind you and our fellow members that as soon as the Jews of different tribes started breaking the treaty by plotting against and causing civil unrest among muslim, as well as aiding, and even financing wars against them, they faced war one after another (Some surrendered, others did not). You may refer to Bani Nudayr, Banu Qaynaqaa', Banu Quraydah, the jews of Fadak, the Battle of Khaybar ( dakhlak ya imemou 3ale
), and the Jews of Tayma'.
Above that the peace mentioned in the treaty was the one that would favor the unity and well being of both parties of that treaty.
And just so that the members won't be misguided, the treaty was made in times of peace with the jews of Medina. Not after they broke the treaty or previous treaties. It was still in the earlier years of Islam.
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Originally Posted by Adam
2nd- Patriotic thinking usually comes from fear and so it's not intelligent. If we keep being at war then every couple of years we will get the crap pounded out of us.
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Since we're getting dragged into the Islamic point of view then I should probably say a few words here because you're getting confused. And i do mean a few.
Patriotism does not originate from fear. It originates from pride. A principle all human beings share in varying degrees. The love for one's country and the will to defend it and one's land, family, way of life, (etc...Reasons may vary, could be one, could be all) are the driving force behind this principle, not fear.
عم بتخبّص منيح عزيزي.