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[lebanese_a]

First of all donno what to say, so concider I told you what's supposed to be told here and let's continue.

-Can any member explain to us (en résumé if possible) what are Chiaas comemorating?

-Why do they hit themslef, and what is supposed to symbolize

-What do you think about the practice (banned by hezbollah btw) that some Chiaas still do (mainly in Nabatiyeh) that consists of cutting the head and hitting it? This practice is decreasing every year but it is still practiced, what do you think should the .... (fill in the blank with the autorithy you find apropriate) do about it? specially when we have people doing this:



and that the 3rd image result in google is men hitting and cutting themself from an Israely Site that is trying to show the barbarism of Lebanese.

[Justin]

Bro... b e5tisar, they hit themselves as punishment cuz when the "imem Hussein" (3alayhi el salat wal salam) went to war to fight, his own warriors, were supposed to meet him to fight on his side..but they didnt showed up, n el "Hussen" was murdered... so they call these acts "nadbiyet" = nadam... they hit themselves as a punishement of what they done to their own leader..

PS: That's What I Know, I watched it on tv when i was 14 (it was an animated real story)

[xcoder]

With all due respect to the shiite people,
this is so horrible i mean what that child has to do with this. he's too young to decide and it's not his parents are not free to hurt him because they think so.
do whatever you want when u're older than 18.
but this innocent baby has nothing to do with it and that woman has to be punished by law!
i m quite sure the biggest part of people don't do this but a part of people are going too far!

[abousoun]

فيم جاء على لسان السيّد محمد حسين فضل الله حفظه الله حين سئل عن هذه الطقوس

أما رأينا في الموضوع.. فهو الافتاء بالحرمة، لأننا نرى أنه يحرم إضرار الإنسان بنفسه، إلا في الحالات التي تفرضها الضرورة؛ ولذلك قلنا بأنه يحرم ضرب الرؤوس بالسيف، أو ضرب الظهور بالسلاسل، وحتى اللطم العنيف الذي يوجب إضراراً بالإنسان ولو إضراراً غير خطير، لأننا نستفيد من النصوص التي بين أيدينا حرمة الإضرار بالنفس، كما أننا نجد أن السيرة العقلائية تقتضي ذلك، فالناس يستنكرون على أي إنسان يضر نفسه إذا لم تكن هناك مسألة أهم وأولى بالرعاية من هذا الإضرار، ومن هنا فإننا نرى أن هذا أمرٌ محرم شرعاً، حتى لو كان ذلك بعنوان الحزن والمؤاساة.
ولديّ ملاحظة أخرى في هذا المجال وهي أن الذين يضربون رؤوسهم بالسيف أو ظهورهم بالسياط، يقولون: إننا نريد أن نواسي الحسين(ع) في جراحاته، أو نواسي زينب(ع) وأخواتها عندما جلدت بالسياط، فنجلد ظهورنا، ونجرح رؤوسنا.. لكنني أقول: إن المواساة تفرض أن تجرح في الموقع الذي جرح فيه الحسين(ع)، وأن تجلد في الموقع الذي جلد ت فيه زينب (ع) ً.. فالحسين(ع) جرح وهو يجاهد، ولذلك فالذين يواسون الحسين(ع) هو الذين يجاهدون العدو الإسرائيلي من شباب المقاومة، فهم يجرحون في الموقع الذي جرح فيه الحسين(ع)، والذين يواسون السيدة زينب(ع) هم الذين يجلدون في سجون العدو، لأنها جلدت وهي في خط الثورة والقضية، سواء كانوا من الرجال أو النساء..
لهذا فإنني أجد أن هذه العادات لا بدّ من إزالتها من ناحية شرعية، لأنها محرمة بالعنوان الأولي بناءً على رأينا، ومحرّمة بالعنوان الثانوي أيضاً، من خلال السلبيات الكثيرة على مستوى الإنسان، وعلى مستوى صورة الطائفة الإسلامية الشيعية في العالم، ولذلك قلنا: هي نوع من أنواع التخلّف

as for justin nadbiyyat has nothing to do with nadam, they don't hit themselves because they feel "nadam", it's an act of "مواساة" to feel and suffer the same thing they suffered back then ... but as explained above by sayyid mouhamad hussein ... this is completely wrong ... and as lebanese_a mentioned earlier this act is decreasing year after year

Thank You ...

[Mako]

hey everyone..well i am shiite,and i am totally agaisnt this.it is not always we have everything perfect,therefore we can still find till now,some persons who still do this and believe in it.personally i dont c where is the good reason to do this,and as hezbollah mitel ma al justin it is banned.In every relation we can face some stuff which doesnt make any sense...and for me this is one of this stuff in the muslim-shiite part

[Mako]

i totally agree with u abousoum

[xcoder]

Thanks abousoun for making it clear.

[mitain]

really abousoun is the wisest person in this forum , 10x for the information bro

[sciencedoor]

bass la nitfit tewdi7at ya chabab
bel nesbi la rad abounsoun bwefko el ra2i bass fi ichya chouai badda nitfit 3omek zati wou rou7ani
nchalla boukra e2der wassil el msg bass baddi erjea3 chouai la files taykoun el chi rasmi l2innou ma fiyyi e7ki chi biddoun maraje3 (right?)
fa iza ma sarli chi ba3ed n7ar el tuesday, cuz i am busy
bel mounasabi el ya7oud bikhafou ktirrrrrrrrrrrr men 7al maz7ar wou sarou 3am byestakhdmou la te7reek el 3alem ded el shi3a.
wou ktir mni7 innou ballachtou tes2alou a7la ma t3al2ou bidoun ma tes2alou
10x

[Mohamed]

From the day he left Madinah on the 28th Rajab in 60 Hijrah, at every stage, our Imam made his mission clear. He left no doubt as to his intentions. It was not to fight Yezid to get the throne of the empire over which the khalifah ruled. Imam mission was to reawaken the spirit of Islam and rekindle the Islamic conscience which was nearing extinction by the conduct of Muawiyah and Yezid. Justice and morality were gradually being destroyed by the greed for land and power of those who had become rulers. Qur'an insists that distinction can be accorded by piety alone. Since the death of the Holy Prophet a social order had come into existence creating aristocracy based on nepotism and blood relationship.

Let us look at some of the statements by Imam Hussain. Before leaving Madinah Imam Hussain made a will and handed it over to his brother Muhammad Hanafiya. In this will Imam wrote:"My mission is to reform the muslim community which I propose to do by AMRAL BIL MA'RUF AND NAHYA ANIL MUNKAR, inviting them to the good and advising them against evil. It is not my intention to set myself as an insolent or arrogant tyrant or a mischief maker".

In Mecca a man came to him and said he was a Shiah of Ahlul Bait. Imam looked at him and said:"My friend, never claim to be one of our Shiahs lest Allah, on the Day of Judgement, raise you with the liars. No one can be our Shiah except a person whose heart is free of deceit, malice or hatred towards others and free of corruption. If you are not such a person you can claim to be our admirer or supporter but never our Shiah."

Being a Shiah means having a pure mind and soul, free of greed, malice, jealousy, deceit. It means keeping away from back biting and other habit of putting down others. It means having a thirst for knowledge. It means living our lives justly, humbly and being true to ourselves and others.

In Mecca Imam addressed a large group of scholars who had come for pilgrimage. He exhorted them to do amr bil ma'ruf and nahya anil munkar and not to pander to the philosophies of the rulers who paid them to keep away from truth. This was a long and powerful speech reminding the scholars of their duty to inculcate Islamic conscience and not to mislead the masses who trusted them.

This famous speech of the Imam, is a document which must be read by all of us every Muharram so that we could ourselves be our own judge as to how seriously we take our duty to do amr bil ma'ruf and nahya anil munkar. These are mandatory obligations.

The Holy Prophet (SAWA) has said :The world is like a ship and mankind its passengers. The welfare of all depends upon the safe conduct of each. If anyone is found making a hole on the side of a ship, he must be stopped.

The Holy 5th Imam (AS) "Amr-bil-ma'roof and nahya 'anil munkar are the most important obligations because upon them depend the performance of all other obligations. If amr-bil-ma'roof and nahya 'anil munkar are done the earth will become a safe place, enemies will be subdued and all other affairs discharged satisfactorily"
The Holy Prophet (SAWAW) "He who does amr-bil-ma'roof and nahya 'anil munkar is the vicegerent on the earth of Allah, His Prophet and His Book."

The sole cause for which Imam Hussain set out from Madinah was to perform his duty to do amr bil ma'ruf and nahya anil munkar to the ummah which had not only apathetically accepted the evil that had been flowing from the court in Damascus but, sadly, begun to emulate it. The inevitable consequence of this would have been a total destruction of all Islamic values.

In a letter which he addressed to the people of Kufa Imam wrote: "An Imam is one who judges by the Holy Qur'an, upholds justice, professes the religion of truth and dedicates himself to obeying Allah and His Prophet."

When Hur and his army stopped Imam caravan from going to Kufa, and Hur told Imam that his order from ibne Ziyad was to ask Imam for Bai'at to Yezid, Imam refused to declare Bai'at to someone who was only serving his own ends and not of Islam. Hur said that such an attitude might cost Imam his life. Imam replied: "Are you threatening me with death? Death is many thousands of times better than the dishonour of Bai'at to an enemy of Islam. Do you not see that truth is not being practised and falsehood is not being prevented? I see death as a blessing and life with tyrants as the most disgusting state one can be in."

At Kerbala, facing the army of Yezid, Imam Hussain addressed them as follows:"Remember that when you see a ruler who does what has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, who indulges in sins, who oppresses the people he rules, and you do nothing to stop such a ruler, before Allah you are as guilty as he is." He went on to add:"My parents did not raise me to submit myself to an evil tyrant. I am your Imam and it is my duty to tell you that you have surrendered the freedom of your mind to the evil ways of Yezid. If you do not care for Islam, and do not fear the day of judgement, at least do care for that precious gift from Allah, the freedom of your spirit!!" When Amr Sa'ad called upon the army to attack and kill Imam Hussain he said: "Death is better that disgrace and disgrace is better than the fire of hell."

by: Mullah Bahsir Rahim.

Some ppl r confused between remembering karbala and reliving the actions as dareb 7aydar..as some members said it's forbidden by hezbollah but it has become a tradition unfortunately by some ppl...and if hezbollah and shyou5a m7armiina and those ppl r not listening..so no one can change a thing abt it.But hopefully they will come to their senses and stop it and it's not 2ossit disgrace bas 7aram l3alam ta3mal bi 7ala hek.

Thank U.