Do you believe in ALIENS?

[Kain]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

as simple as that:
Religious books talk clearly about the unique life given to humans on earth. it means there is no other form of life outside our planet. there is no other creatures except humans who have souls.

The first does not implicate the latter...that's what's wrong with your logic.
Religious books do actually talk about how great life is but they don't say that earth is the one planet in the universe with life on it.
Ceci n'implique pas cela

Religious books also do not say that only humans have souls....every single living creature has a soul.

[quote=El-Meghwar[As a Christian, the holy Bible talks about Jesus coming to earth to save humanity, and he sacrificed himself in order to save us. of course he didn't do that for the sake of aliens .
so if it appeared to be any other form of life, it simply means that religions and religious books are legends.[/quote]
w shou lli byemna3 ykoon 3endon their own God-sent prophets ??

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

simply: if you are religious and a believer, you shouldn't even argue about the fact that we are the only alive people in this universe, and if science and facts proved that we are not alone, i personally and many others would highly doubt the existence of God and everything said in the religious books.

Doubt what you want bas you'd be doubting with a faulty logic

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Just ask any man of religion about this issue and their position concerning it.

I don't need to this is a very logical matter
eno 3anjad lli 3am bet2oolo ma elo 3ale2a

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

You guys have a problem between being religious and trusting some scientific facts.

as simple as that:
Religious books talk clearly about the unique life given to humans on earth. it means there is no other form of life outside our planet. there is no other creatures except humans who have souls.
As a Christian, the holy Bible talks about Jesus coming to earth to save humanity, and he sacrificed himself in order to save us. of course he didn't do that for the sake of aliens .
so if it appeared to be any other form of life, it simply means that religions and religious books are legends.

simply: if you are religious and a believer, you shouldn't even argue about the fact that we are the only alive people in this universe, and if science and facts proved that we are not alone, i personally and many others would highly doubt the existence of God and everything said in the religious books.

Just ask any man of religion about this issue and their position concerning it.

So , iza fi shi mesh mazkoor in the bible , w nwagad , then theres no god .
So when they found the meat eating plant in amazon , that means god already doesnt exist

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

So , iza fi shi mesh mazkoor in the bible , w nwagad , then theres no god .
So when they found the meat eating plant in amazon , that means god already doesnt exist

Jeez Man, you just don't get it do you?
People keep repeating the same Idea for you over and over again and you just can't process it in your mind.

No offense but when you just keep on repeating this stupid idea that he already clarified what he meant to you, you just make me sick.

The bible don't have to mention everything, El Meghwar didn't say the contrary ffs.

PS: It's like you recently learned about this plant you've been talking about and you wanna exploit the fact that you can learn stuff
PPS: You are the worst basher I have ever seen.

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by Tawa

Jeez Man, you just don't get it do you?
People keep repeating the same Idea for you over and over again and you just can't process it in your mind.

No offense but when you just keep on repeating this stupid idea that he already clarified what he meant to you, you just make me sick.

The bible don't have to mention everything, El Meghwar didn't say the contrary ffs.

PS: It's like you recently learned about this plant you've been talking about and you wanna exploit the fact that you can learn stuff
PPS: You are the worst basher I have ever seen.

Level up your discussion to the subject , not to personal matters.
Ps: your the best basher iv ever seen , but it seems You dont know how to argue , and your missing my point here.

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Level up your discussion to the subject , not to personal matters.

What personal matters? I'm telling you that you made this discussion go seriously bad to read. There's nothing personal in it.

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

...and your missing my point here.

I think that we all got your point here, you were using sarcasm to prove your idea.
Your point up there was that the Religious Books should have mentioned that silly plant of yours to make El Meghwar's Theory valid.
El Meghwar posted what he thinks.
You replied that the Religious Books should have mentioned that silly plant of yours to make his Theory valid.
He replied:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

LOL, shou khass??
I was talking that the whole concept of religions is about human beings and the existence of souls in their bodies which is something unique.. religions talk about God creating the earth in 6 days... they mentioned all kind of life existing on earth, and nothing about any form of life outside the earth.. now if we found out that there is another form of life outside the earth, all the religious books and stories will be doubted.

You replied that the Religious Books should have mentioned that silly plant of yours to make his Theory valid.
He replied:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

shou khass??
have you ever seen a religious book talking about yawm l kiyama on another planet for example ?? (for both muslims and christians)

or does the Bible talk about Jesus coming to earth in order to sacrifice himself for the sake of aliens ?? or was it for the sake of humans because they are the only creatures born "3ala souret allah w miselo" ??

You replied that the Religious Books should have mentioned that silly plant of yours to make his Theory valid.
He, again, replied:

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

You guys have a problem between being religious and trusting some scientific facts.

as simple as that:
Religious books talk clearly about the unique life given to humans on earth. it means there is no other form of life outside our planet. there is no other creatures except humans who have souls.
As a Christian, the holy Bible talks about Jesus coming to earth to save humanity, and he sacrificed himself in order to save us. of course he didn't do that for the sake of aliens .
so if it appeared to be any other form of life, it simply means that religions and religious books are legends.

simply: if you are religious and a believer, you shouldn't even argue about the fact that we are the only alive people in this universe, and if science and facts proved that we are not alone, i personally and many others would highly doubt the existence of God and everything said in the religious books.

Just ask any man of religion about this issue and their position concerning it.

You, again, replied that the Religious Books should have mentioned that silly plant of yours to make his Theory valid.

You just kept saying it over and over again like you didn't even read El Meghwar's post carefully.

However, back to the topic, here's what I think, I don't know what is the religion's point about Aliens, I'm not sure if they say that God created life only on earth, but if they do say that {Which I highly doubt, because they will twist the words of the Holy Books again just to fit Science} it means that all religions are faulty.
HERE'S MY POINT EXPLAINED IN AN EASIER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND:
If you tell someone that all Odd Numbers can be divided by 3, and this someone tells you that 5 is an Odd Number, he proves that your theory is wrong. IT'S CALLED COUNTEREXAMPLE.
Now, that's highly similar to the religion issue when it comes to this subject, ONLY IF RELIGIONS SAY THAT GOD ONLY CREATED LIFE ON EARTH.

I'm pretty sure that religions did not mention anything about God only creating life on Earth, so I would highly doubt that Aliens would prove that religions are faulty.

But that doesn't make me a believer

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Level up your discussion to the subject , not to personal matters.
Ps: your the best basher iv ever seen , but it seems You dont know how to argue , and your missing my point here.

No man, Tawa is right.
You are not getting what i said.
I'm not saying that everything not mentioned in the bible doesn't exist!!
All what i am saying is the following:
Finding any other form of life outside our planet do contradict with the whole concepts of Religions, God and its relation with humans.

I took religious studies in my school, everything going around religion is the "Human being".you can't say that religion mesh majboura t2ellna that there is another life!!
For example a muslim girl is prevented to marry a non-muslim guy.Now let's suppose that a muslim alien came out from another planet (let's suppose that Prophet Mohammed went to that planet and spread Islam) and loved a muslim human.. can he marry her ??? now tell me what does religion says about that ?? it simply says nothing at all !!! why ?? it's just because your religion didn't suppose that one day such a thing will happen! it's even because life outside earth doesn't exist or it's just because religions are some kind of personal philosophies full of lies made to manage people's lifes.
YES the concept of our religions denies the existence of any form of life outside earth. If you are a believer you should follow that logic!

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

No man, Tawa is right.
You are not getting what i said.
I'm not saying that everything not mentioned in the bible doesn't exist!!
All what i am saying is the following:
Finding any other form of life outside our planet do contradict with the whole concepts of Religions, God and its relation with humans.

I took religious studies in my school, everything going around religion is the "Human being".you can't say that religion mesh majboura t2ellna that there is another life!!
For example a muslim girl is prevented to marry a non-muslim guy.Now let's suppose that a muslim alien came out from another planet (let's suppose that Prophet Mohammed went to that planet and spread Islam) and loved a muslim human.. can he marry her ??? now tell me what does religion says about that ?? it simply says nothing at all !!! why ?? it's just because your religion didn't suppose that one day such a thing will happen! it's even because life outside earth doesn't exist or it's just because religions are some kind of personal philosophies full of lies made to manage people's lifes.
YES the concept of our religions denies the existence of any form of life outside earth. If you are a believer you should follow that logic!

well , by3mlo zawag madani between earthians and aliens .
Nd no , if we found aliens , that wouldnt affect my belief , maybe theyr gonna be the ones who bring Armageddon , atleast thats my pov.

[Kain]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

No man, Tawa is right.
You are not getting what i said.
I'm not saying that everything not mentioned in the bible doesn't exist!!
All what i am saying is the following:
Finding any other form of life outside our planet do contradict with the whole concepts of Religions, God and its relation with humans.

Let me make it simple

Religions didn't say that God created life on earth and earth alone...They simply talked about life on earth...which is the life that concerns you...the living being that is living on earth!! and not on another planet!!

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

I took religious studies in my school, everything going around religion is the "Human being".you can't say that religion mesh majboura t2ellna that there is another life!!

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS ADRESSED TO YOU THE HUMAN BEING
If there is another life then so be it!!! you will still live by what the morals and codes that you...the human being lived by!!
Mesh 2osset mesh majbour yenzakar bas MA BI2ADDIM W MA BI2AKHIR!!!

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

For example a muslim girl is prevented to marry a non-muslim guy.Now let's suppose that a muslim alien came out from another planet (let's suppose that Prophet Mohammed went to that planet and spread Islam) and loved a muslim human.. can he marry her ??? now tell me what does religion says about that ?? it simply says nothing at all !!! why ?? it's just because your religion didn't suppose that one day such a thing will happen! it's even because life outside earth doesn't exist or it's just because religions are some kind of personal philosophies full of lies made to manage people's lifes.

So your argument is that IF life existed on another planet and IF they visited and IF their was an inter-species wedding...then religion would be a lie???

tayeb ra7 emshe ma3ak w 2ellak bi kell basata: eza 7abba lal makhlou2a Allah yhannihon there is nothing wrong with it
because the prophet spread the same message in both planets and there is nothing against that!!
you're not being logical!!

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

YES the concept of our religions denies the existence of any form of life outside earth. If you are a believer you should follow that logic!

1- Having studied religion in school does not make you an expert in religious matters.

2- Mesh 3ala zaw2ak abadan if your logic is faulty hay meshkeltak

3- No the concept of our religions does not deny the existence of life outside of earth because there was no such denial...it only speaks of life on earth because that is the life that concerns you the earth-bound human being.

If you want to further this discussion you will need to get me proof from religious books that such denial took place. Ya3ne there will have to be a passage that says in one way or another that life does not exist outside of earth.

And as abousoun explained once.

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Ceci n'implique pas cela.
Meaning that if the religious books only spoke of life on earth it doesn't mean that life outside of earth does not exist.

Mesh if extra-terrestrial life existed then it should be mentioned on earth...

BECAUSE...and for the last time....these religious teachings are adressed to you and not to the aliens
And God is talking to you! about stuff that concern you!! What aliens do and how they live or even their mere existence ma 7a y2assir 3lek!!

[mr_j]

religion betdal tra2i3
christianity for one should have disappeared when earth was discovered to be round, add ma the bible talked about the corners of the earth and the ends of the earth when something round as the earth does not have ends
and lets not even start the debate about evolution

not going to speak about islam cause I don't want to argue kain

bas enno ra7 yra23o and move on, there is basicly nothing that would ever convince people religions are not true, even if one day science discovered exactly how the universe was born

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by Kain

Let me make it simple

Religions didn't say that God created life on earth and earth alone...They simply talked about life on earth...which is the life that concerns you...the living being that is living on earth!! and not on another planet!!


AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS ADRESSED TO YOU THE HUMAN BEING
If there is another life then so be it!!! you will still live by what the morals and codes that you...the human being lived by!!
Mesh 2osset mesh majbour yenzakar bas MA BI2ADDIM W MA BI2AKHIR!!!


So your argument is that IF life existed on another planet and IF they visited and IF their was an inter-species wedding...then religion would be a lie???

tayeb ra7 emshe ma3ak w 2ellak bi kell basata: eza 7abba lal makhlou2a Allah yhannihon there is nothing wrong with it
because the prophet spread the same message in both planets and there is nothing against that!!
you're not being logical!!



1- Having studied religion in school does not make you an expert in religious matters.

2- Mesh 3ala zaw2ak abadan if your logic is faulty hay meshkeltak

3- No the concept of our religions does not deny the existence of life outside of earth because there was no such denial...it only speaks of life on earth because that is the life that concerns you the earth-bound human being.

If you want to further this discussion you will need to get me proof from religious books that such denial took place. Ya3ne there will have to be a passage that says in one way or another that life does not exist outside of earth.

And as abousoun explained once.

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Ceci n'implique pas cela.
Meaning that if the religious books only spoke of life on earth it doesn't mean that life outside of earth does not exist.

Mesh if extra-terrestrial life existed then it should be mentioned on earth...

BECAUSE...and for the last time....these religious teachings are adressed to you and not to the aliens
And God is talking to you! about stuff that concern you!! What aliens do and how they live or even their mere existence ma 7a y2assir 3lek!!

Actually religion didn't talk about most of the things happening at our time because it appears that a big part of what's written in religious books were influenced by events happening at their time back then.

and as mr_j said, if life outside earth was found, bira23ouwa b shi tari2a...

but anyone who read any religious book will reach an implicit conclusion that life doesn't exist outside earth.