سقوط مشروع خفض سن الاقتراع ....يا عيب الشوم!!!

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by sha3be

شباب يعني والله مني متوقع اسمع عالم مبسوطة انو ممنوع تصوت
كلها حجج
ساعة التثقيف و ساعة التوازن
و نحن مصدقين
لايمتى بدنا نضل هيك منفكر بعالم بتكبنا عند اول مصلحة
شو يعني تحت اللي 21 بدن تثقيف
معلي سمحولنا فيها منفهم اكتر منك
يجي يمنع اللي مش مثقفين فوق ال21 بعد شوي

كتير لزيزة العكفة لعلمانيي مبارح طائفيي اليوم مبروك, صرتو متلكن متل غيركن

yeah becuz people shouldnt have political education and be mature enough to vote...mch hal chi l mhem ye3ne kella masir balad ....we;re living in lebanon! just look in unis how the voting is going ....no one votes for principles khassa bl uni or chi elo me3na....anw a step like this can't be done hek enno yalla badna nghayr 2wenin ta7et chi3arat l esla7 w medre chou henne ....there must be plans! educational systems t7addir l chakhes enno y2arrir massir balad!

[sha3be]

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

yeah becuz people shouldnt have political education and be mature enough to vote...mch hal chi l mhem ye3ne kella masir balad ....we;re living in lebanon! just look in unis how the voting is going ....no one votes for principles khassa bl uni or chi elo me3na....anw a step like this can't be done hek enno yalla badna nghayr 2wenin ta7et chi3arat l esla7 w medre chou henne ....there must be plans! educational systems t7addir l chakhes enno y2arrir massir balad!

le how the voting is going outside the univs, lek its better to cancel the elections because i know many people who are not well educated and older than 21 years... the best choice in my opinion is turning lebanon regime to a royal regime, and Michel Aoun can be the king because of massir el balad, and i ll go with u for that.

ليك شو رأيك تعملو شي لجنة تحدد اللي بيحقلن يصوتو و لا لأ ؟؟

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by sha3be

le how the voting is going outside the univs, lek its better to cancel the elections because i know many people who are not well educated and older than 21 years... the best choice in my opinion is turning lebanon regime to a royal regime, and Michel Aoun can be the king because of massir el balad, and i ll go with u for that.

chou khas michel aoun ...anw before changing this law why don't they try to change w yzabto kl l 2wenin l mawjoude l betfid l balad bi chi ....i repeat since iit looks like u didn't read my post, a law like this can't be done hek bala chi ....u should plan and organize w thayi2 l azghar enno ysawto! mch enno le3be l ossa yalla badna nwate sen l ektira3....w marra tenye chou khas michel aoun...aslan u don't even know my opinion in politics....so most of what u wrote is nonsense...u didn't reply to what i said ...u just tried to be sarcastic....

ليك شو رأيك تعملو شي لجنة تحدد اللي بيحقلن يصوتو و لا لأ ؟؟

ya ret walla ....

[hegma]

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سكان حارة حريك تنزل صور الجنرال ميشال عون عن عواميد الكهرباء

وصورة فيها العماد عون وسماحة السّيد مزق الجانب الذي فيه الجنرال عون

7elo ktir?? thank you... sar kell ma wa7ad baddo yfech khel2o bikhazze2 souwar michel aoun...

[sha3be]

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

chou khas michel aoun ...anw before changing this law why don't they try to change w yzabto kl l 2wenin l mawjoude l betfid l balad bi chi ....i repeat since iit looks like u didn't read my post, a law like this can't be done hek bala chi ....u should plan and organize w thayi2 l azghar enno ysawto! mch enno le3be l ossa yalla badna nwate sen l ektira3....w marra tenye chou khas michel aoun...aslan u don't even know my opinion in politics....so most of what u wrote is nonsense...u didn't reply to what i said ...u just tried to be sarcastic....


ya ret walla ....

bel 3akes ktir khass .. michel aoun who is talking abt educating ppl... what i am telling u that even the people older than 21 are voting according their sectarian thinking... so can we cancel the elections?!
and i think that the youth between 18 and 21 are very gd politaclly educated ... how they can go to demonstrations as adults and as high educated people ... and every leader count them in his side, and dt vote... if you want really to treat people like this,i advice u to create an exam for political education ... ( check this : http://www.hummusnation.net/?p=4016)
and y we cant make the change step by step, for how many years we will stay treating any change in sectarian way??

plz answer me honestly" لو انعمل قانون اقتراع للمغتربين ما كان صار ال18 عادي و ما بدن لا تثقيف ولا شي ؟؟ "

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by sha3be

bel 3akes ktir khass .. michel aoun who is talking abt educating ppl... what i am telling u that even the people older than 21 are voting according their sectarian thinking... so can we cancel the elections?!
and i think that the youth between 18 and 21 are very gd politaclly educated ... how they can go to demonstrations as adults and as high educated people ... and every leader count them in his side, and dt vote... if you want really to treat people like this,i advice u to create an exam for political education ... ( check this : http://www.hummusnation.net/?p=4016)
and y we cant make the change step by step, for how many years we will stay treating any change in sectarian way??

i didn't talk in a secterian way ....and btw sadly yes in lebanon yes canceling the election is a good idea...and bringing someone good yzabit l wade3 wl 2wenin ta l cha3eb yet3awad....yes lebanese people aren't well "motivated" or dunno the exact word to do an election...their mentality can't be easily changed so it should be done by "force" anw that's not the subject....yes im with making the change step by step w mch hek yalla badna nghayr w n7ot 2wenin!....1st u should start b enno t7addir l nes lal entikhabet ...let them now their own history! we're in a country that doesn't have kteb terikh! how can a person vote for people 7asab khbar ahlo la2an mch 3arif chou terikhoun! so i think before changing the law and make people under 21 vote let's try to reform and correct many IMPORTANT rules ....

plz answer me honestly" لو انعمل قانون اقتراع للمغتربين ما كان صار ال18 عادي و ما بدن لا تثقيف ولا شي ؟؟ "

no im againt both of those laws....cuz also fi ba3ed l moughtaribin ma bya3erfo lebnen...so no they shouldn't vote.....as i said to make such laws lezim t7addir l nes 3al chi ...u can't do it hek deghre....

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by sha3be

le how the voting is going outside the univs, lek its better to cancel the elections because i know many people who are not well educated and older than 21 years... the best choice in my opinion is turning lebanon regime to a royal regime, and Michel Aoun can be the king because of massir el balad, and i ll go with u for that.

ليك شو رأيك تعملو شي لجنة تحدد اللي بيحقلن يصوتو و لا لأ ؟؟

Well elections in Lebanon and everything under this sectarian system is nonsense.
And you know this is a democratic country and the C&R bloc didn't vote for the Law, they have the right of not voting, shou kl shi bl ouwweh?? the most you can do is not voting for them in the next elections since you believe in these elections and what's called democracy!!

Now if Michel Aoun was the king i'm pretty sure that Lebanon would have been much better than the way it is now where a bunch of thieves and corrupt warlords are running it

And concerning the lejneh, i fully support such a step, many civilzed countries doesn't allow uneducated people or people without a university degree to vote.

[sha3be]

tony, u r talking abt fixing the all elections system, i am with u, but y we cant let the 18er vote and fix the elections systems in the same time ..

meghwar, i dont believe anymore that michel aoun is national leader for all lebanese, he is being a sectarian leader from the 60s election law, and now the new law....
abt lejne i was joking,
nobody have the right to tell if this person can vote or not... even in "civilized" countries as u called ... it is a right for all the people and nobody can take it ...


by the way i am not a supporter of our regime which we call democracy .... and these nouwweb dont present me, because they came according to sectarian law(60 law), el nouweb 3emlou la 2elon, and because i couldnt vote
so gd night shabeb

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by sha3be

tony, u r talking abt fixing the all elections system, i am with u, but y we cant let the 18er vote and fix the elections systems in the same time ..

meghwar, i dont believe anymore that michel aoun is national leader for all lebanese, he is being a sectarian leader from the 60s election law, and now the new law....
abt lejne i was joking,
nobody have the right to tell if this person can vote or not... even in "civilized" countries as u called ... it is a right for all the people and nobody can take it ...


by the way i am not a supporter of our regime which we call democracy .... and these nouwweb dont present me, because they came according to sectarian law(60 law), el nouweb 3emlou la 2elon, and because i couldnt vote
so gd night shabeb

1- Any reform under this sectarian system is useless, changing the whole system and having a new modern constitution is the only solution, till then, i don't care if they give the right of voting for 2 years old or 60 years old, it's the same, same tribe leaders will always be elected.

2- General Aoun is a national leader, and he's practicing politics in a sectarian system, and since he represents the majority of Christians(7asab our sick system) you may see some of his acts as sectarian but they are not, now tell me did any deputy outside the C&R bloc supported civil marriage or civil laws? i don't hear except FPM deputies and General Aoun talking about it!

3- concerning the lejne i know you are joking but i am not, there is European countries that practice conditional elections where people who doesn't have a university degree are prevented from voting.
These deputies does not represent me also, and i consider our current constitution and system a big piece of sh*t.

4- good night.

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by sha3be

كتير لزيزة العكفة لعلمانيي مبارح طائفيي اليوم مبروك, صرتو متلكن متل غيركن

LMAO

You can't apply this '18' law before turning this country into Secular. PERIOD