Does God Exist?

[SysTaMatIcS]

is athegan dead or alive ?? i wonder if he just ceased to exist , or hes awaiting his judjment by god !

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

I believe that god exists, but in a different way...
I dont believe in the God who all people talk about, all people talk about the majestic one who "forces" people to warship him or they'd be in hell....

The god I believe in calls people for good behaviour and good relationships with people... and this god created everything in this world in order to test people if they can know the advantages and disadvantages of each and every thing....

If God like you described forces people to warship him or they'll be in hell, then you wouldn't be able to write this post and i wouldn't had the privilege to read it ... think about it ...
p.s: you can warship god and still go to hell ...
Review the freewill thread (i think heik esmo)

Thank You ...

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by abousoun

If God like you described forces people to warship him or they'll be in hell, then you wouldn't be able to write this post and i wouldn't had the privilege to read it ... think about it ...
p.s: you can warship god and still go to hell ...
Review the freewill thread (i think heik esmo)

Thank You ...

Can i not warship god and go to heaven?

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Can i not warship god and go to heaven?

when someone doesn't worship god, going to heaven or hell isn't a worrisome matter for him

Thank You ...

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by abousoun

when someone doesn't warship god, going to heaven or hell isn't a worrisome matter for him

Thank You ...

What about religion? what does your religion says about this matter?
I always get similar answers on such questions.

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by xcoder

What about religion? what does your religion says about this matter?
I always get similar answers on such questions.

I'm not talking specifically about certain religion, it's a general idea or concept ...
Marx used the word "worship" and not "believe" fa 7abbeit 3alli2 3ala hal point because :
1 - you can worship and believe ...
2 - and you can worship and not believe in god but as Marx described it for fear from going to hell (although believing should come first)
3 - and you can believe in god and not worship him
so there are many different scenarios ... and each is treated seperately

the most important is to believe and worship god not for fear or greed :
Imam Ali said :
اللهم اني ما عبدتك خوفا من نارك ولا طمعا في جنتك ولكني عبدتك لأنك أهلا لذلك وابتغاء رضوانك ورحمتك ومغفرتك
if we want to analyse this saying we'll find that :
he said first "allahoumma" so he is addressing god --> he believes in god ...
then he talked about why he is worshipping god (it's not because of fear from going to hell, not for pleasure of going to heaven, but he worshipped him because he was convinced that he deserved to be worshipped)

so everything should come from self conviction first ... and then accordingly to be judged ...

Thank You ...

[MARX ®]

Originally Posted by abousoun

If God like you described forces people to warship him or

they'll be in hell, then you wouldn't be able to write this post and i wouldn't had the privilege to read it ... think about it ...
p.s: you can warship god and still go to hell ...
Review the freewill thread (i think heik esmo)

Thank You ...

Man, ana this how I see people's looks towards god...
people make others think that we should warship god in order to enter heaven, and if we didnt warship him, hell is our destiny...
warshiping isnt everything in life, and as I believe, god likes us to do many other things other than warshiping
for example, if a person lives in a mosk, but he kills people or do things against people's wills, would he go to heaven... ma bishimm ri7ita....

Originally Posted by abousoun

(it's not because of fear from going to hell, not for pleasure of going to heaven, but he worshipped him because he was convinced that he deserved to be worshipped)

Rare are those who believe in this thing,
All people, when asked, they tell u they warship him in order to go to heaven....

Originally Posted by xcoder

Can i not warship god and go to heaven?

the real warship is in our hearts...
I dont warship God as all people do, I got my own ways....

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

Man, ana this how I see people's looks towards god...
people make others think that we should warship god in order to enter heaven, and if we didnt warship him, hell is our destiny...

Your point of view shouldn't be influenced on how people look to God ... It's a conclusion you have to reach by yourself ... The difficult part is how to reach this conclusion and from which sources

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

warshiping isnt everything in life, and as I believe, god likes us to do many other things other than warshiping...

100% and whoever says the opposite is a hypocrite

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

for example, if a person lives in a mosk, but he kills people or do things against people's wills, would he go to heaven... ma bishimm ri7ita.......

that's why i said you can worship god and still go to hell

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

the real warship is in our hearts...
I dont warship God as all people do, I got my own ways....

that's why the prophet says "إنما الأعمال بالنيات"

Thank You ...

[Sheriff Ice]

this may resume my point of view u may disagree u may think im weird or im just halusinating:

Between perfection and humanity a huge space,

Each one of you seek perfection I do seek perfection, I seek to be a “God”
I am almost perfect, you want to be like me, yeah, im sure about.

You are thinking about my ego, DONT!!!!

You can be ,

why don’t you seek to be Gods!!!!!

They say no one can be perfect, actually “lies”. Perfection exist!!!

You ask me how?! you will tell me that GOD, the almighty, some of you find him full of mistakes!

I tell you, you are right, who said GOD is perfect?!

I am not seeking to be GOD I am seeking to be “a God” a freelancer “God”, I am not asking even people to believe my existence even though I exist.

Human I am , God I will be, God I am.

You are Wondering , isn’t perfect being flawless?! isn’t it making no mistakes?!
Isn’t perfect means having no negative side in your personality, being the best, the fastest, and the smartest?!

I am.

You will tell me that I have to better than every single human being that exists.

I can, I am sure about that, it may take time, but time doesn’t count in perfection.

Now, you will tell me that if everyone can be “God” , than someone is going to be a better “God” than you?!

I don’t seek perfectness in your eyes, I seek it in mine, I am the best.

My arrogance may hurt me but it will not kill me.

Ego will make me a better “God”.

I believe in flawlessness, in unlimited power.

Samer Semaan
2008 ©
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[-t-o-n-y-]

well i'm doubtful eno i see all the wars all the hunger some say god gave freedom to the people then what does he do?! what's his job? too look after us? and help us? well look at those children in africa did they done anything wrong to live this life?! ......so if really god exist why doesn't he help those poor people?.....
this is an intresting article about religion and Xcoder took a passage from it but i think u should read it .... click here....