The Da Vinci Code ...

[Ghnadine]

Originally Posted by bublez

Guys...I just finished doing the analysis of the Da Vinci Code...
Has anyone of you read it or saw the movie?
What do you think about it?
Do you think that it is true?
just say your opinion...

Acxtually yes I've seen the movie it sort of well talking about how Christ as they said married Mariam Magdalina and she was pregnant from him and how she ran away so that she wouldn't be killed"Thats the movie" and they talk about the painting how it was played with that she was sitting close to christ and how someone drew over it and removed her from the painting to another position.

[Josee]

Originally Posted by Ghnadine

Acxtually yes I've seen the movie it sort of well talking about how Christ as they said married Mariam Magdalina and she was pregnant from him and how she ran away so that she wouldn't be killed"Thats the movie" and they talk about the painting how it was played with that she was sitting close to christ and how someone drew over it and removed her from the painting to another position.

Ghnadine what is your point of view? Do you think it is competely true? part-true? or kelo kezeb?

[pouta]

i dont believe in such things for me it have been proven on the national geographic channel they put a documentary and investigated everything about the book(they repeat the documentary every once and a while)..the conclusion is that its all false and its just a story there's no facts in it the church would ban such things cause theres a lot of people who has weak faith and could believe such silly things. thanks for make things clearer.that enough for me i think..just watch National Geo

[Josee]

This is a part of my analysis,I can't write it all it will be too big:
1/Mix of history and fiction:
Dan Brown said that the story is going in real places such as The Louvre and indicates real persons such as Leonardo Da Vinci...In the same time,if you do some researches,you will find that the Priory Of Sion existed long time ago and when the story is happening the Priory Of Sion was already disappeared...
2/Jesus Sexuality:
Slogan of the Da Vinci Code: Jesus Christ had a sexual relation with Maria-Magdalena and had a child from her,and the church tried by different ways to kill this truth...
Enno if you red the Bible do you think this is true?

This novel of 571 pages pretend to discover a truth,the one and only truth undiscoverd by all the people until the time Dan Brown wrote the book...: it tells about the fight of the church with the keepers of a secret that destroys Jesus Christ truth that was conviced about it most of Christians in the world...
It is a war without mercy between the Vatican and people who want to diffuse their secret about the relation that existed between Jesus Christ and Maria-Magdalena...
All the story begins by the crime of killing Jacques Saunière at The Louvre Musuem in Paris who is at the same time the 'big boss' of the Priory of Sion and the three Sénéchaux by Silas,a member of the Opus Dei,a group who obey blindly to Rome...Here begins a trip that ended in Rosslyn Chapel in England where Sophie Neveu,Jacques Sauniere's grand-daughter meet her grandmother and brother,and than Robert Langdon discovers that the Saint Graal is in the Louvre Musuem near the inverted pyramid...

[Josee]

Originally Posted by pouta

i dont believe in such things for me it have been proven on the national geographic channel they put a documentary and investigated everything about the book(they repeat the documentary every once and a while)..the conclusion is that its all false and its just a story there's no facts in it the church would ban such things cause theres a lot of people who has weak faith and could believe such silly things. thanks for make things clearer.that enough for me i think..just watch National Geo

Pouta I didn't say that I believe those things too...Aslan just after reading the book you can say that it is not totally true cause most of the things in the book contradict what is written in the bible...You don't need the Nationnal Geographic Channel to prove you is the book is true or false...
As for me,if talking as a Christian,I'll say that the book is completely wrong and that it contains a lot of wrong information...
But,if I am gonna talk 'philosophically' (means bi tajaroud), I'll have doubt if what is written in the book is true or wrong and the question I am gonna ask is : "maybe the church hided the truth?"

[Josee]

"The Priory of Sion was founded in Jerusalem in 1099 by a French king named Godefroi de Bouillon, immediately after he conquered the city."

Robert Langdon, The Da Vinci Code p. 157

Consider This: The Journal Officiel de la République Française records the Priory of Sion as beginning in May of 1956 when it registered with the French government as a new organization.
According to CBS News, the name for the organization does not originate in Jerusalem, but in a local landmark south of Annemasse - a hill called 'Mont Sion'.

"The identities of living Priory members are kept extremely secret."
Robert Langdon, The Da Vinci Code p. 113

Consider This: When the Priory registered with the French government in 1956, it put the names of its four living members on the record: Pierre Plantard, André Bonhomme, Jean Delaval, and Amand Defago.
The articles submitted on formation of the Priory state that its members are to "carry out good deeds, to help the Catholic Church."

"The Priory's membership has included some of history's most cultured individuals: men like Botticelli, Sir Isaac Newton, Victor Hugo and Leonardo Da Vinci."
Robert Langdon, The Da Vinci Code p. 113


Consider This: The Les Dossiers Secrets documents containing the names of the supposed Grand Masters have been found to be forgeries.
In 1993 Pierre Plantard admitted in a French court under oath that he had made up the entire Priory story. Chérisey had also admitted their story was false.
There is no mention of this organization in any historical document until after 1956.

[Josee]

Is Jesus God?
Jesus was viewed as divine from the very beginning of Christianity. He is referred to as God at least seven times in the New Testament and Lord as a divine title many other times.
The earliest documents from the Christian church ascribe to Jesus divine status.
The entire flow of the Old Testament requires that God come into the world, as Immanuel.
Even non-Christian writings from Romans such as Celsus, Pliny and Lucian state that the Christians venerated Jesus as God.
Jesus' original followers were routinely martyred for their belief that Jesus was God - a belief they would not recant even unto death.
It is always possible to find someone holding such a view, but to claim there are many is simply untrue.

Do you agree that the evidence for Jesus' divinity is strong, and that, while entertaining, the claims in the Da Vinci Code have no foundation? Have you come to a place where you are open to considering Jesus as truly God?

[Josee]

Is The Bible True?
The Bible is neither a book dropped out of heaven nor a creation of man. Rather, it is one that, while coming from God, is written by real people.
God is the source of the Bible in that he inspired real people to write it, yet when we read the Bible, the circumstances and character of the writers remain evident; we are planted into the texture and detail of history rather than being catapulted into a realm simply of ideas.
The New Testament has more manuscript evidence for its preservation as the original authors wrote than any other book in antiquity.
The nearly complete consistency between the many versions is recognized as an astonishing testimony to its single origin.
Tradition strongly suggests Constantine became a Christian in 312. He did a lot for the church, including forbidding persecutions and calling councils, but it would not have occurred to him to collate the Bible.
Other than Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, there are no other writings of antiquity claiming to be a gospel and actually being supported by author of that document for inclusion in the Bible.

Can you begin to endorse the historic view that the Bible is an authentic text? Are you open to considering that the message of the Bible, as well as its form, have the marks of divine authorship? Would you like to trust this book, and its primary author, as millions have over the centuries?

[Josee]

Was Jesus Married?
If Jesus had married Mary Magdalene, we would expect to see some type of her veneration in the history of the early church as like we see for Mary, Jesus mother. However, there exists no reference or tradition anywhere to worship or veneration of Mary Magdalene.
The Son of God came to earth not to start a family but to save the Church, which is his true bride.
Whenever Jesus' family is referred to, it is his brothers and sisters who are mentioned, but never a wife. Contrast this to descriptions of the apostles, Peter, and the brothers of the Lord, all of whom are said to have had wives.
At the crucifixion, Jesus shows no special concern for the care of Mary Magdalene as he does his mother.
This claim commits the fallacy of hasty generalization just because the majority of Jews would be married, it doesn't follow that EVERY Jew would be.
There exists no mention of a wife in any scripture of Jesus, in his ministry, when he was tried and crucified, or after his death.
The legend of the Grail is indeed about the lost cup from the Last Supper. But biblical language about mothers wombs is always a reference to gestation and protection, never about bloodlines. Indeed, shed blood was always about the opposite of birth, that is, death.


Is it clear for you that Jesus neither married Mary Magdalene nor any other woman? That while human, Jesus was also God, and ascended to heaven? Are you convinced that his true "bride" could be the Church, the people of God? Would you like to be more certain of your relationship to this Christ?

[Josee]

The lost book of the Bible-Are they real?
Other than the four recognized gospels, there are only eleven ancient documents still in existence today that are called "gospel".
In all of antiquity, there are only twenty eight other sources no longer in existence that are cited or mentioned in Jewish or Gnostic writings as gospels.
Most of the Gnostic works are rejected because they are too late to be written by the purported authors, they rely heavily on the stories in the existing gospels and they contradict the beliefs taught in the orthodox gospels.
All of the Biblical gospels date from the last half of the first century, whereas the two texts the Da Vinci Code relies on most, the gospel of Phillip and the gospel of Mary Magdalene, are from the third to fifth century.
All four canonical gospels exist in lists of church scripture as early as Papias and Justin Martyr and no other gospels ever appear in any list as authoritative. Constantine did not summon the council of Nicea until A.D. 325 - far too late for this claim to be taken seriously.
The Gnostic gospels reflect a line of thinking that didn't arise until the late second century, and it was criticized by the early church fathers Irenaeus, Hippolytus and Tertullian.
Irenaeus makes it clear that the so-called gospels of the Gnostics are heretical precisely because they were secret documents. The Apostolic writings commend themselved because they are public and verifiable.


Are you seeing that the way the books of the Bible were assembled is far different from what the Da Vinci Code claims? Are you able to consider that the hand of God, not a random set of individuals, is the reason for the selection of 66 books which constitute the Holy Scriptures? Would you like to be sure the message of these books is true?