Do u think we can make peace with zionists

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by emilio

peace is not only possible it's necessary... war only leads to more wars, we had enough already even Syria is working on peace with the Israelis and don't think that if the time is right Iran won't do the same thing it's always Lebanon that has fight all the battles

Peace occurs between two countries, not between a country and another structure that occupied another country's territories and called itself a country!

Israel is not a country, Israel is an occupier that should be wiped out. Palestine is the real country on that land.

We should not make peace with that state called Israel as long as it exists, and even if they retreated from our occupied lands, we can't make peace with a group of sick criminal people occupying a land and calling it Israel.
In addition to that, this fake state cannot be trusted, Israel is always ready to attack Lebanon even if there was a peace agreement, this state always seeks for its own interests, and a strong Lebanon is always a source of danger toward Israel.
Peace between Lebanon and what's called Israel is an illusion, any peace agreement with "Israel" before solving the issues of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon means 3 things:

1. The resettlement of Palestinians in Lebanon (التوطين)
2. The recognition of Israel as a legitimate country and involving ourselves in the international conspiracy against the Palestinian people.
3. Lebanon will be committing suicide by signing this peace agreement (economical reasons comes first)

[Kain]

Originally Posted by emilio

peace is not only possible it's necessary... war only leads to more wars, we had enough already even Syria is working on peace with the Israelis and don't think that if the time is right Iran won't do the same thing it's always Lebanon that has fight all the battles

Be7yet lli khala2ak shou?? Do you actually believe that a peace agreement will actually bring peace?? Do you actually think that the Israelis will consider you as an ally??

No we will not become another egypt.
No we will not become another Saudi Arabia.
No we will not become another Jordan.

This peace agreement they're talking about is nothing but a solution to get rid of the very thing that threatens their security...and even more so their existence. Once any resistance is out of the way then they will be free again to do as they please to whomever they please and impose on you whatever and then no amount of diplomatic support in the world can help you as long as they have the gun pressed up against your back.

Anyone who seriously talks about peace with Israel is no more than delusional. There will be no peace and not because we don't want it. But because they won't give it up. And as Sheriff Ice said so many times, their history and creed bares testament to that.

[Rampage!!]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Peace occurs between two countries, not between a country and another structure that occupied another country's territories and called itself a country!

Israel is not a country, Israel is an occupier that should be wiped out. Palestine is the real country on that land.

Historically speaking the Palestinian land belongs to both Jews and Palestinians. I am not defending Israel here we all know all the war crimes committed by her in EVERY war

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Peace between Lebanon and what's called Israel is an illusion, any peace agreement with "Israel" before solving the issues of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon means 3 things:

1. The resettlement of Palestinians in Lebanon (التوطين)

1. 
   Agree the peace agreement should not be made without solving the issues of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. And the only way the Palestinians are leaving Lebanon is with a peace agreement between Palestinian and Israel to make 2 seprate countries what so bad about that ?
   
   

   Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

   Lebanon will be committing suicide by signing this peace agreement (economical reasons comes first)

how is that ? a peace agreement with Israel means i new market for the Lebanese product

[Rampage!!]

Originally Posted by Kain

This peace agreement they're talking about is nothing but a solution to get rid of the very thing that threatens their security...and even more so their existence. Once any resistance is out of the way then they will be free again to do as they please to whomever they please and impose on you whatever and then no amount of diplomatic support in the world can help you as long as they have the gun pressed up against your back.

A peace agreement with Israel does not mean that we will give up all our weapons in case the Israelis stab us in the back

[Kain]

Originally Posted by emilio

A peace agreement with Israel does not mean that we will give up all our weapons in case the Israelis stab us in the back

A peace agreement with Israel ma btemshe hek 3al tayer. Mesh eza tnaynetna ttafa2na 3a peace it means it will happen.

There will be terms imposed on us and one of them will be to get rid of the resistance and its weapons. Or do you think our army is able to stand up to their army??

Kermel ma terja3 t2elle it can if we train it and arm it i'm going to go ahead and answer already: no our army will not be able to because the american decision is to keep the lebanese's army's capabilities to a low standard with low tech, outdated weapons. And a traditional army will not be able to fight against the israeli army. This is why guerilla warfare is necessary and why the resistance's secrecy and powerful weapons are necessary.


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[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by emilio

Historically speaking the Palestinian land belongs to both Jews and Palestinians. I am not defending Israel here we all know all the war crimes committed by her in EVERY war

Historically speaking, there wasn't any country called Israel, it was Palestine.

Now if i want to follow your logic, in your words you said that it belongs to both Palestinians and Jews, which means a country called Palestine that contain Jewish people, correct? there is nothing called Israel!

But what happened is that Zionists began to gather all the Jews of the world and moved them to Palestine and created their so called country.

that's both Historically speaking, and following your logic.

Agree the peace agreement should not be made without solving the issues of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. And the only way the Palestinians are leaving Lebanon is with a peace agreement between Palestinian and Israel to make 2 seprate countries what so bad about that ?

When a peace agreement between Palestinians and Israel occur, THEN it will be the Palestinians who gave up their Rights, and agreed on recognizing Israel as a country not an occupier. In this only case,and AFTER the come back of the Palestinian refugees to their country, Lebanon can start thinking in signing a peace agreement, but until then, things are subject to what i stated in my previous post.

And i guess you agree with me concerning this but you missed stating these most important conditions in your post

how is that ? a peace agreement with Israel means i new market for the Lebanese product

LOL as if the Lebanese products are missing markets!!
We have the whole Arab world and other countries in the world as markets and we are not able to make any profit, 3a asses l sina3a l Lebneniyye m2attla ba3da !!

A peace agreement means a new market for the Israeli products, they are way better than us, and their diverse products starting by fruits and vegetables will invade the Lebanese market and will finish up the Lebanese agriculture for good.

A peace agreement means sharing and giving up our water resources to Israel, they are stealing our water and i am sure that a peace agreement will not prevent them from doing so, on the contrary, Israel will gain political influence in Lebanon (it'll easily find a party willing to cooperate with her in order to reach the power, like LF for example), and with that political influence it'll be easier to smash the whole Lebanese identity.

So as a conclusion, any peace agreement with Israel is a terrible loss for Lebanon and a big achievement for Israel.
In addition, you cannot deny that a peace agreement will reveal the whole Lebanese territories and makes it easier for Israeli spies and intelligence in taking control of everything in Lebanon w ya3rfo l sherde wel werde.

Is these enough reasons for you or you need more??
Are you still looking for peace with Israel?

[Rampage!!]

Originally Posted by Kain

A peace agreement with Israel ma btemshe hek 3al tayer. Mesh eza tnaynetna ttafa2na 3a peace it means it will happen.

There will be terms imposed on us and one of them will be to get rid of the resistance and its weapons. Or do you think our army is able to stand up to their army??

Kermel ma terja3 t2elle it can if we train it and arm it

just give HA weapons to the Lebanese army, and let HA commanders help train the Lebanese army .And why not even HA metel ma hier tfout 3al Lebanese army ?

Originally Posted by Kain

i'm going to go ahead and answer already: no our army will not be able to because the american decision is to keep the lebanese's army's capabilities to a low standard with low tech, outdated weapons.

OK screw America why doesn't Iran ( that you say cares about Lebanon) give the Lebanese army all the weapons he needs ( since according to her she is the strongest country in the world so she must have a lot of weapons to spare) , and help train them ...

[Tawa]

I don't get it
Making peace with people who treats you as pigs and thinks that you are in the same level as animals?

Is this how much they scare you?

[Kain]

Originally Posted by emilio

just give HA weapons to the Lebanese army, and let HA commanders help train the Lebanese army .And why not even HA metel ma hier tfout 3al Lebanese army ?

Ya to2borne. ya 7abibe. You can read can't you?

Originally Posted by shakle 3am be7ke 3al fade la2an 3am bifooto men dayne w yotla3o mnel tenye...bas yalla kher

And a traditional army will not be able to fight against the israeli army. This is why guerilla warfare is necessary and why the resistance's secrecy and powerful weapons are necessary.

edit :Ya3ne you just can't train an army to use guerrilla tactics. And even if you have the time and ability your secrecy is compromised by the mere fact that this is a national traditional army.

Originally Posted by emilio

OK screw America why doesn't Iran ( that you say cares about Lebanon) give the Lebanese army all the weapons he needs ( since according to her she is the strongest country in the world so she must have a lot of weapons to spare) , and help train them ...

Iran is supplying the resistance. This is a well known fact. The weapons going to the resistance will be clearly better spent than if they were with the military because:
1- The resistance operates in stealth and secrecy, therefore its weapon stashes are unknown and cannot be bombarded men awal tal3et l tayyarat like what happened with the army's barracks in july 2006.

2- the mere fact that these weapons are used in guerrilla warfare makes them more useful...hay fiha tofsil...
bas to simplify it as much as possible ---> every bullet counts because they are more covert.

3- The resistance has a clear cause and agenda that Iran wants to back up. If the cause is just and patriotic then there is nothing whatsoever wrong with supplying the resistance and not the army ( you know who you are giving your weapons to and where each bullet is going).

[xcoder]

If we wanted to go with many ideas above then we should stop all kind of contact with the Syrians who also believe that Lebanon is a Syrian province.

I personally do not care about the conflicts between Palestine & Israel especially that both have bloody history in Lebanon.

All i care about is to have my lands free, my people safe and live in peace (not the same peace of Egypt), any peace agreement is done after total military withdrawal from the Lebanese lands.

I am against the idea of having permanent war with Israel because of spiritual reasons such as Israel is Jewish, we are against Jews; on the base that i believe that German people should not be considered as Nazis nor french people as crusaders and that the coming generations will look for peace and better relations with their environment no doubt.

As a Lebanese citizen, all i care about is stability and development of my country in the best environment possible and having good relation with our neighbors (Syria & Israel) on the long run is a need and removing Lebanon from being the hero defending the Arab world and the Palestinian cause.

I used to say the same when the Syrians were occupying Lebanon and domination our land, decision and freedom.

Lebanese should think for their own benefits and act on that base, not taking into account the whole world problems, we're not living in the perfect world; everyone is working for its own benefit except us.