Do u think we can make peace with zionists

[RUSSIAN]

Originally Posted by xcoder

If we wanted to go with many ideas above then we should stop all kind of contact with the Syrians who also believe that Lebanon is a Syrian province.

I just want to ask you, who is more bad? Jews who wants to control a hole world and who're killing arabs and other ppl because they aren't jews and don't want to be under their occupation and following their anti-human rules, or syrians (who are arabs too)?
Yes, it's better then all to be independent, but I think that it's impossible for Lebanon now. This fact is very bad, but it's a fact.

[getryne]

peace with israel?????? u wish..... nd brother if ur lookin 4 peace with syria.... am lookin 4 a unity, anyway thru out history these small kayanat u call leb, syria, palestine..... used 2 b splitted by invaders, and united bak by heroes.... sarjoun, salahdine......, my main pt abt israel, if ur lookin 4 a peace with israel, it wont happen ever, nd the proof again is history,the ancient jews who used 2 live in palestine AND TRIED TO BUILD A NATION, were kicked out by assyrians,chaldeans... they used 2 fight with every single nation arnd them, nd got kicked out till they left, or got separated, so trust even if ur lookin 4 this peace, israelis r not..................

[RUSSIAN]

When they was creating Israel, they was doing it to prevent arabic unity because they're seriously afraid of the returning of the "Halifat". Now they're also doing all to prevent arabs to be united.
Just look, is there any other nationality in the world that's splited to more then 20 countries where they have a majority? Also try to guess who's getting profits from it everyday?
They're often using spliting. They've splited arabs, Yugoslavia and Soviet union which was one of the strongest countries ever been. It's a good method- it's easier to control small countries.

[TAREK®]

guys for the love of God shu oset el ghireh mnel souryeh? last time I checked this thread was about Israel

second of all, every person who thinks peace with Israel is a solution to our problems and that we will be able to live in peace is ridiculous

Fair agreement with Israel cannot happen under any circumstances because their egos and cruel minds won't allow it, look at all the agreements made by Israel with all the Arab countries and I dare u to find any FAIR agreement...

Yes just like u I am tired of fighting, and I sick of seeing innocent people dying but this is a war of existence we are talking about, its either us or them, we did NOT choose the war, but we indeed chose to fight when we have to, and we will continue fighting as long as there is a "country" threatening us day by day

also a peace agreement is a slap to the face towards all patriots and innocent people killed by Israel...

we didn't resist for 32 years so that we could end this with a piece of paper.... HELL NO

as Kain said : we will not become another Egypt, we will not become another KSA and we will not become another Jordan

Lebanon is the only country in the world that was able to free an occupied land by Israel, Lebanon is the only country that was able to defeat the Israeli army, and by God Lebanon will be the only country to end this war by not signing a peace agreement

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RUSSIAN

When they was creating Israel, they was doing it to prevent arabic unity because they're seriously afraid of the returning of the "Halifat". Now they're also doing all to prevent arabs to be united.
Just look, is there any other nationality in the world that's splited to more then 20 countries where they have a majority? Also try to guess who's getting profits from it everyday?
They're often using spliting. They've splited arabs, Yugoslavia and Soviet union which was one of the strongest countries ever been. It's a good method- it's easier to control small countries.

I agree with you, had they wanted us to be a successful sovereign country they wouldn't have split the Arab world. But like you said, "it's easier to control small countries."
But things aren't going as planned, are they? If they had, they wouldn't need an army in Iraq and multi-billion dollar shipments of weapons to Israel.
Had it been going as planned we'd be like Egypt and the KSA. People oppressed while their rulers live like gods. A peace agreement would make us such countries.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." -Dwight Eisenhower

This quote really sums up the way the US works.

[xcoder]

I can't believe that some are comparing what is better between Israel & Syria, w iza they were Arabs, does it give them the right to occupy us and kill our people?

90% of Lebanese parties should be ashamed of collaborating with the Syrians and Israelis during their occupations to Lebanon. Being patriotic doesn't mean hating Israel or hating Syria, it simply means refuse all kind of occupations and interferences in your country affairs and work for your country's interests which we obviously lack.

There's no black or white occupation, and there's no green or yellow freedom. It's either this or that DOT.

Seeing a post here calling for best relations with Israel and stop all kind of relations with Syria won't shock me it will be simply a mirror of many posts in this thread.

[Rampage!!]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

guys for the love of God shu oset el ghireh mnel souryeh? last time I checked this thread was about Israel

second of all, every person who thinks peace with Israel is a solution to our problems and that we will be able to live in peace is ridiculous

Fair agreement with Israel cannot happen under any circumstances because their egos and cruel minds won't allow it, look at all the agreements made by Israel with all the Arab countries and I dare u to find any FAIR agreement...

OK
[QUOTE]PEACE TREATY BETWEEN ISRAEL AND EGYPT
March 26, 1979

Text:

The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel;

PREAMBLE

Convinced of the urgent necessity of the establishment of a just, comprehensive and lasting peace in the Middle East in accordance with Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338;

Reaffirming their adherence to the "Framework for Peace in the Middle East Agreed at Camp David," dated September 17, 1978;

Noting that the aforementioned Framework as appropriate is intended to constitute a basis for peace not only between Egypt and Israel but also between Israel and each of its other Arab neighbors which is prepared to negotiate peace with it on this basis;

Desiring to bring to an end the state of war between them and to establish a peace in which every state in the area can live in security;

Convinced that the conclusion of a Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel is an important step in the search for comprehensive peace in the area and for the attainment of settlement of the Arab- Israeli conflict in all its aspects;

Inviting the other Arab parties to this dispute to join the peace process with Israel guided by and based on the principles of the aforementioned Framework;

Desiring as well to develop friendly relations and cooperation between themselves in accordance with the United Nations Charter and the principles of international law governing international relations in times of peace;

Agree to the following provisions in the free exercise of their sovereignty, in order to implement the "Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty Between Egypt and Israel";

so ? what's not so fair about it ?

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

Yes just like u I am tired of fighting, and I sick of seeing innocent people dying but this is a war of existence we are talking about, its either us or them, we did NOT choose the war, but we indeed chose to fight when we have to, and we will continue fighting as long as there is a "country" threatening us day by day

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

also a peace agreement is a slap to the face towards all patriots and innocent people killed by Israel...

we didn't resist for 32 years so that we could end this with a piece of paper.... HELL NO

So a peace with Syria isn't a slap in the face, you need to know that we shouldn't forgive people who attacked us just because their Arab and go out and have a "war to the end " with a Non Arab

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

as Kain said : we will not become another Egypt, we will not become another KSA and we will not become another Jordan

Yeah man , we don't want to have a good economie, live in peace , let's live in poverty , in a war that we will NEVER win ... it's better this way eh ?

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

Lebanon is the only country in the world that was able to free an occupied land by Israel, Lebanon is the only country that was able to defeat the Israeli army, and by God Lebanon will be the only country to end this war by not signing a peace agreement

Mabrouk ya 5aye ... and yes Lebanon will be thrown in the fire ( once again ) if it becomes the only country without peace with Israel

[Kain]

Originally Posted by emilio

Mabrouk ya 5aye ... and yes Lebanon will be thrown in the fire ( once again ) if it becomes the only country without peace with Israel

If they jumped off a bridge and signed the agreement then we should follow them so that we wouldn't be alone kbir ya emilio

[Kain]

The main issue is that you can't preach dignity to someone lacking any shred of it and would be willing to sell whatever pride he has left for the sake of financial profit ( referring to the " lebanon will be richer" bid). You can't preach dignity to someone who would abandon his pride out of fear.

We will not accept a false liberty. The ONLY way that PEACE will ever come to this region is by removing israel from the map, followed by every tyrant supporting it.
A peace treaty will achieve nothing. The quote you offered from the Egyptian/Israeli treaty is nothing but ink on paper. Egypt is Israel's lacky and this is nothing new.

You have 3 options:

1- Surrender and the Israelis will assume control.
2- Sign a peace treaty and the Israelis will assume control.
3- Fight and threaten their peace and end their unlawful existence as occupiers.

This is the only option left.

[Rampage!!]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

fasharet, we won 2 battles already and we will win the third and it will be the last, u want to live all ur life kissing Israeli's hands rou7 3ish bi Egypt ana ma 3am b2elak tale3 efta7 jabha now, I am saying whenever they want to fight we will fight, but we will not accept any peace agreement w ana b2akedlak more people will die if Lebanon signs a peace of agreement

Kiss Israel's hand !!?? so if i don't want my country and it's citizen completely destroyed i would be kissing the Israeli's hand , are you kidding me ...

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

but we are not the only country who didn't make peace with Israel

it's just a matter of time Syria is currently searching for peace on one hand so that her citizen live in peace and flaming EVERYONE else to fight Israel ( Lebanon, Palestine...)