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Old 03-27-2009   #1
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I'm gonna write this thread to explain about the theory of evolution, which despite the fact that it is more important than the theory of gravity for example, yet very very few people know of it and understand it. This scientific theory goes beyond just being a biological fact in some bio books, this theory poses questions about religions, society, economy and life as a whole. You'll come to see that as you read further in this thread.

the basic concept of evolution is that, there is a struggle for survival among living organisms everywhere. a tree for example produces tens and hundreds of fruits, yet one or 2 seeds reach the earth to become a new tree. Gazelles in animals for example, the mother gives birth to 4 children, but how many survive to give children again?
the ones that survive have a special trait that seperates them from the others who failed, in the example of gazelles, the ones who can run fast survive to make new children, while the rest are eaten by lions.

charles darwin when he was examining species, he studied the finches of the galapagos archipelago(series of inlands)



he noticed that on the inland where worms are the main source of food, the birds had a linear thin beak, whereas on an inalnd where nuts are the main food the finches had a thick hard beak. the 2 types of bird look alike alot, but they do not breed together, they are 2 different species. on the mainland there where finches that have moderate beaks, neither too hard nor too thin. what happened was that long ago some of the finches of the main land traveled to these inlands, those who had a thinner beak then the rest on the worms inland were able to live, whereas the ones that had a thicker beak all died. with times nature and the need for a thin beak for survival filtered the offspring of the finches, and the finches with even thinner beaks were more successful so in the end they branched out into a completly new specie.
humans are not an evolved from monkeys, this is wrong, we have a common ancestor with the monkeys. we simply are adapted to our living place. if you send a man to the jungle, it will take him more effort to live there then a monkey, because monkeys have are biologicly more adapted to climb and hunt than us. same if you throw a man into the ocean, we are not adapted to live there. Monkeys and humans branched out from a common ancestor that existed before them, that ancestor became extinct.


now how did this contradict religion?

1) the church always believed and has taught people that God created man and all the species as they are, and man is special of all species. this has been disproven by the scientific discovery

2) the church believed that God created earth and the universe the year 4004 BC and that is according to the bible and the old testament, by following the family lines from adam till Jesus, this has also been disproven.

3) religion always considered that Man is on top of all animals and species, evolution showed that man is just a branch out of the tree of evolution, and that other species are not inferior to him, but simply more adapted to their enviroment

4)انظروا الى طيور السماء فأنها لا تزرع ولا تحصد ولا تخزن في الأهراء وابوكم السماوي يقوتها.
Jesus in this saying overlooked a great number of birds that starved to death, got eaten, never found a mate, etc

evolution and the struggle for survival is still very true in human societies, a successful living organism should be able to:
1)survive:
a)find food
b) find shelter and escape predators
2) find a mate and reproduce
a) he needs to be appealing for reproduction

in our human society there is a struggle for survival, not all people can find a job, not everyone can get married, there is always competition for survival. in your job for the promotion, in the university. you get a job and get married while your friend who's in the same major as you, being less intelligent then you, could not get the job and ultimetly could not afford to get married.
this drives evolution, this is science. eventualy intelligent people, goodlooking people etc... will be able to breed successfuly and they will pass on these traits for their children, while the bad variations like ugliness and inferior intelligence will not survive long, as the world's population increases and the struggle for food becomes harder and harder, goods and fuel become more expensive, the bad variations will die and eventualy a new specy will emerge from us

life is based on the death of the many for the survival of the few, just like among the thousands of frog seeds, eggs, puppies, babies... most of them die before being able to breed again. Survival of the fittest is the key. And think how many cattle, how many fruit, tree etc... did you destroy to live this far? one organisms to live is killing many many other organisms and he is even killing from his own kind indirectly(you ate while others could not, if you didn't exist that food would have went somewhere else) hitler tried to speed up evolution by killing all the short, handicapped etc... liberalist are using the survival of the fittest theory in economy. let people produce what they want, competition will burn out the small business man and farmer and they will starve to death, but on the other hand big companies with high quality and cheap prices will emerge and make our society better.

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this drives evolution, this is science. eventualy intelligent people, goodlooking people etc... will be able to breed successfuly and they will pass on these traits for their children, while the bad variations like ugliness and inferior intelligence will not survive long, as the world's population increases and the struggle for food becomes harder and harder, goods and fuel become more expensive, the bad variations will die and eventualy a new specy will emerge from us
On these points you are wrong.

1) Attractiveness has nothing to do with people having more children, almost everyone has children eventually and there is no link between attractiveness and the number of children per couple.

2) The smarter the person is the lower the fertility rate is.

3) The poor people are the ones who have most children and the rich ones are the ones who have the least or none. And nowadays child mortality is low, which means that the poor are the ones who survive.
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On these points you are wrong.

1) Attractiveness has nothing to do with people having more children, almost everyone has children eventually and there is no link between attractiveness and the number of children per couple.

2) The smarter the person is the lower the fertility rate is.

3) The poor people are the ones who have most children and the rich ones are the ones who have the least or none. And nowadays child mortality is low, which means that the poor are the ones who survive.
1) it has to do with getting a wife or not, alot of not so good looking people stay single all their lives
2) there is no direct link into how education will decrease your fertility rate, I am not talking here super intelligent, I am talking about people intelligent enough to finish uni
3)yes for now poor people will continue to live and breed, but a change in the economy or in the enviroment, like if population grows and food becomes more expensive as mentionned, holé bitiro dighré and they die

this is what happened with the finches, the thin beak birds survived and all the rest died when worms was the only food, before that everyone lives equaly

people who now can barely afford to eat are hanging by a feather
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1) it has to do with getting a wife or not, alot of not so good looking people stay single all their lives
2) there is no direct link into how education will decrease your fertility rate, I am not talking here super intelligent, I am talking about people intelligent enough to finish uni
3)yes for now poor people will continue to live and breed, but a change in the economy or in the enviroment, like if population grows and food becomes more expensive as mentionned, holé bitiro dighré and they die
1) A few stay single for the rest of their life, not a lot. What you are talking about might be Lebanon but I'm talking about the entire planet.

2) No but smarter people don't have as many kids as the uneducated.

3) Those who are used to living a tough life survive better, there is no need for rich people in evolution.
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I was giving an example
the rich is not a genetic variation

the next evolution would be like being able to stand on our 2 feet for long

it doesn't matter, just saying evolution is a reality
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proof that jesus christ existed and have a divine power:

1. all the saints and the miracles
2. all the evil in the world eg: getting possessed by demons, people predicting the future got to mean that there is an evil power in the world and if there is an evil power in the world there is a good power.
3.The fact that everything created got to have a creator.
4. the tomb of christ and noas arc was found.
5. I don't think anyone would die on the cross like jesus did for a fake purpose
etc...
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hey I didn't say jesus did not exist
but frankly my opinion is, the documentation on what he said might not be very true

and there is still no explanation to what created life in the first place. but what is proven is that the bible cannot be relied on for historical accuracy and the old testaments and the stories in it should not be taken litteraly

so you really believe that adam and eve alone populated the whole earth?
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yes I rather believe that 2 humans populated the world and then that number duplicated then to believe that my race was once a chimp!
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but it's science
can you argue that the earth is flat?
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science does not have to whole truth! the truth in science changes it's never definitive. Didn't we use to think that the earth is flat or that there is no cure for the Plague. Science never presented facts, every decade previous ideas where edited so you can't really trust science that much
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