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View Poll Results: Does God Exist?
Yes 44 81.48%
Sometimes I do other times I dont 1 1.85%
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Old 07-04-2008   #161
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well i'm doubtful eno i see all the wars all the hunger some say god gave freedom to the people then what does he do?! what's his job? too look after us? and help us? well look at those children in africa did they done anything wrong to live this life?! ......so if really god exist why doesn't he help those poor people?.....
this is an intresting article about religion and Xcoder took a passage from it but i think u should read it .... click here
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Judging people by god is based on the environment they are living in...


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Judging people by god is based on the environment they are living in...
can u plz explain more cuz i didn't really understand what you meant.....
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can u plz explain more cuz i didn't really understand what you meant.....
X was born poor, so god will judge him differently then Y that was born rich...
god will take under consideration the environment the two are living in...
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X was born poor, so god will judge him differently then Y that was born rich...
god will take under consideration the environment the two are living in...
ok 1st of all ....if god love us all and he forgives us and.....then he can't judge people and he can't judge this poor kid differently than the guy that was born rich.....and what do u mean by judge like if someone did bad things he'll send them to "" hell"" ?! then he wouldn't be this god who loves everybody and forgives...
2nd of all ....ye3ne those poor kids should kill themselves ...why live this bad life since god gonna judge them differently ....lachou yet3azzabo w yjou3o .....
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ok 1st of all ....if god love us all and he forgives us and.....then he can't judge people and he can't judge this poor kid differently than the guy that was born rich.....and what do u mean by judge like if someone did bad things he'll send them to "" hell"" ?! then he wouldn't be this god who loves everybody and forgives...
2nd of all ....ye3ne those poor kids should kill themselves ...why live this bad life since god gonna judge them differently ....lachou yet3azzabo w yjou3o .....
Just two comments, the poor kids are judged differently ya3ne god is less strict with them and not what you just mentioned...
And yes, I used the word judge because no one is an angel and we always commit mistakes and sins everyday, I can't count them...and god will not forgive you forever... god will forgive you even at the last moment of your life just if you really admit that you committed your sins and you regret what you did...
I don't know why you are understanding me wrong...
I won't write more... I'm too busy and I don't like to discuss such things on the internet because if I do the discussion will last forever and I don't have time + you are not getting what I am saying...


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Just two comments, the poor kids are judged differently ya3ne god is less strict with them and not what you just mentioned...
And yes, I used the word judge because no one is an angel and we always commit mistakes and sins everyday, I can't count them...and god will not forgive you forever... god will forgive you even at the last moment of your life just if you really admit that you committed your sins and you regret what you did...
I don't know why you are understanding me wrong...
I won't write more... I'm too busy and I don't like to discuss such things on the internet because if I do the discussion will last forever and I don't have time + you are not getting what I am saying...


no i don't think i misunderstood you ...in my previous post i asked you want do you mean by judge .....how god judge us?! what does he do?! ...(the first part)
and in the second part i just said my point of view if i was one of those kids why should i suffer so much since i can kill myself and god should understand .....
and when ur not busy plz just read this article i've posted in my first post and just tell me what do u think ....

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Concerning my previous posts concerning evolution and the previous "searches" i conducted:

- I made the mistake of posting something i didn't believe in 100%. And i talked about athegan over this matter online, and i promised him that i'd ask Sheikhs of my sect about the matter since the information i had came from another sect.

- It appears that we as shia do believe in evolution....maybe not necessarily all of its aspects, but our imams who lives hundreds of years ago had many sayings on that particular matter.

I apologize over my previous posts

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My previous posts weren't against evolution as a theory But against the idea that the mutations happened thanks to random mutations ignoring the idea of God.

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well i'm doubtful eno i see all the wars all the hunger some say god gave freedom to the people then what does he do?! what's his job? too look after us? and help us?
Wars: You practically skipped all conversation relating to this matter and attacked a very narrow point of view....bas 3ala rase
Suppose the following: God created man so that he can be worshipped.
كنت كنزاً مخفياً فأحببت أن أعرف

ما خلقت الانس و الجن إلا ليعبدوني


Worshipping God is not only about going to a chuch, cynagogue, mosque...etc, and praying....it's clearly more to that....It's a way of life...Showing good will towards man, don't lie, cheat or steal...etc...
Basically being a good man, who does not do wrong or does his best to avoid that which is wrong or could cause harm.
Why should he then interfere when wars are made, and people either follow the Good or the Bad side. That's exactly how things are intended to be.
Support the Good Side, and you will be doing good.
Support the Bad Side, and you would be doing bad.


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well look at those children in africa did they done anything wrong to live this life?! ......so if really god exist why doesn't he help those poor people?.....
The answer doesn't lie in this world. It lies in the next.
These people might be rewarded later on in heaven.
Maybe they made the wrong choices and have done bad in previous worlds.( Not lives mind you..)
Maybe it's so that you have something to be thankful about everytime there's a dish ready for you at breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Maybe it's so that he'll see who would do good and help these suffering people.
Maybe it's all of those and alot more.
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no i don't think i misunderstood you ...in my previous post i asked you want do you mean by judge .....how god judge us?! what does he do?! ...
Well clearly God judges us by our deeds.
Imagine a scale where Good and Bad in your life is measured.
Good outweighs Bad: You go to Heaven.
Bad outweighs Good: You pay for your misdeeds towards your fellow man and for the corruption and for the all the suffering you've caused for people who don't deserve it, at least until you're "purified" or until you've served your just sentence.

A suffering of an eternity in Hell is a misconception that is always pinned against religions.
No one said that you'll be punished forever in hell.
You just serve your sentence in the appropriate manner.
Punishment comes in degrees.

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and in the second part i just said my point of view if i was one of those kids why should i suffer so much since i can kill myself and god should understand .....
Life is not yours for you to take away, it belongs to your maker and he will take it when he sees fit.
Killing yourself is never justified, it just means that you've lost hope in life and in God.
Thereby disobeying your maker. ( B3eed l Sharr 3annak)

(Nshallah your Good will Outweigh the Bad)
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Tony you will get the usual answer, people who suffer on earth will have a kingdom in heaven. Everything has a nice diplomatic answer in religion lol.
Or you can have a more weird question such as talking about africa that most of its population is believer: the more they suffer and pray the more their kingdom in the sky is bigger << this one cracks me out.
Let's see it from another side, as most of religions talk about peace and there are about 1 billion Muslim + 1 billion Christian... on earth, still none of those religions who has billions and affect nations big time are the first cause of war,fanaticism,hunger,racism of all kinds...
Religion has created limits between nations, wars, hunger...
Honestly if we try to compare the good things to the bad things religion brought to us, we will get a clear huge negative result.
All your replies guys are away from reality, pure fantasy. Use another strategy, tell them what god brought to humanity through your religion.
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