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Old 12-16-2010   #21
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is it true that UEFA gave Germany the 4th spot lal CL now?


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5 Number of German CL quarter-finalists in 8 years
14 Number of Italian CL quarter-finalists in 8 years 9 Years since Germany last won the CL
2 Number of CL titles Italy has won in last 4 years
1 Number of German finalists in last 8 years
5 Number of Italian finalists in last 8 years
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Systa I know man, that's exactly what I thought, enno recently Italian teams are way better than German ones bl CL, bas they seem to asses the 4th position 7asab l Europa League! dunno why w it's not relevant bas they do! gharib cz Italians have done so much better than Germans bl CL recently..
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I actually hate the league vs league debates.

Each league have its Pro's and Con's.

And every individual will try to defend his league. While in fact all points must be true.

Personally, I Admire the German Bundesliga, so I will give you some mixed Pro's and Con's briefley.

You will never see such full stadiums, fans and display in any other league
I can't imagine a team in Germany who is like Man. City
DFB do not allow foriegn owners
There's no money flow in the German League, Like in the other leagues
Lack of TV and Media coverage, while all the hype goes to Spain, Italy and England
If you want to compare talent and players, then Bundesliga teams can compete with any Top team in Europe.
Oh, and btw, do i have to remind you the Europa League is also considered an International Tournament? Its not our fault if Italian teams do not take it seriously (which I highly dought, Since Juventus, Palermo, Sampdoria and Napoli was playing their games at full strength, Same goes to last year, when Juventus lost to Fullham).

I will not talk about the other leagues for reasons stated above.
But my point from the first place was.. you cant say about a League which is #3 in Europe, and even #4 that "No one cares about it".
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I can't imagine a team in Germany who is like Man. City
I am a person who hates Man City, what did u mean here? isn't like Man C from what point?
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^^ Aweful money spending power, poor results.
if bayern had that, they would win the champions leagure each year.
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Carlo Garganese’s Comment: Germany Have Stolen Italy’s Fourth Spot, But Why When They Have Reached One Champions League Semi Final In Eight Years?



Edinson Cavani prolonged Italy’s ‘interest’ in the Europa League just a little while longer last night by heading home a dramatic injury time winner against Steaua Bucharest that sees Napoli progress to the knockouts as Serie A’s only representatives.

But this victory will not be enough to maintain Italy’s four Champions League spots. From 2012/13 the German Bundesliga will be granted this privilege, with Italy having to make do with just three qualifiers – one of which will have to negotiate their way through the preliminaries.

The reason we have reached such a situation is due to UEFA’s nonsensical co-efficient formula that basically rewards teams in the Europa League/UEFA Cup with the same number of points as clubs in the Champions League. Over the past five seasons where points are tallied, Germany has outperformed Italy emphatically in Europe’s ugly sister competition.

06/07 – Only one Italian team reaches last 16, two German clubs in last 8, one in semi finals.

07/08 – One Italian team and one German team make semis, but four German squads in last 16, to Italy’s one.

08/09 – One Italian team in quarters, two German sides in semis and one in final.

09/10 – Only one Italian team reaches last 16, two Germans in last 8, one in semi finals.

10/11 – Only one Italian team reaches last 32, two German sides in last 32.

Some loyal Bundesliga fans (naming no names, Clark Whitney) will try to argue that the above demonstrates their championship’s greater strength in depth. To be brutally honest, though, it illustrates the disdain Serie A has for a tournament, lacking any rewards or prestige, which is nothing more than an annoying distraction and drain of resources.

Anyone who has watched Serie A compete in the Europa League/UEFA Cup over the past decade – since UEFA annihilated the competition by expanding the Champions League – will note that even when clubs haven’t fielded virtual reserve sides the players have been strolling around the pitch like they are in a pre-season training camp.

Buli followers will argue that it is Italy’s problem for not treating the Europa League seriously, but why should Serie A respect a system that is so clearly flawed? The easiest way to get a promotion at work is to brownose your boss - if you are a female it may be to sleep with your boss - but that doesn't mean everyone should do it. If the system is wrong, it needs changing.

The financial rewards of the Europa League through prize money, sponsors, gate receipts and television are so measly that it is wise for clubs to rest players and concentrate on their weekend domestic matches. A win in the group stages earns a club just €100,000. Atletico Madrid only made around €6 million in winning the whole 2010 edition.


A club is not going to risk domestic relegation that in today’s financial climate could destroy the club. Sunderland received more prize money finishing 13th in the Premier League last campaign than Atletico Madrid did winning the Europa League. In 2004/05, when Parma were just recovering from financial meltdown, the Gialloblu advanced all the way to the UEFA Cup semis with their youth team. They deployed their youths because they were at risk of a destructive relegation that could have finished them.

Then, of course, there are those clubs that are challenging for Champions League qualification. Would Napoli prefer to win the Europa League this season, or finish fourth in Serie A and qualify for the formerly-named European Cup? I don’t even need to give you the answer. The financial rewards are astronomical. UEFA awards €2.1m to each team in the play-offs round, €3.9m for reaching the group stages, €0.55m per group match played, €0.8m for each group win and €0.4m for each group draw. Each knockout round the prize is €3m, each quarter finalist €3.3m, semi-finalist €4.2m, runners-up €5.2m, and €9m for the winners.

Which makes the equal distribution of co-efficient points for the CL and Europa League all the more ridiculous. Shakhtar Donetsk won the last-ever UEFA Cup by beating the likes of CSKA Moscow, Marseille, Dynamo Kyiv, and Werder Bremen. Meanwhile, Barcelona roared to CL glory by defeating giants Lyon, Bayern Munich, Chelsea and Manchester United. Incredibly, Shakhtar actually earned more co-efficient points for Ukraine than Barcelona did for Spain.

The Champions League and Europa League must be separated from one another in judging how many entrants Italy and Germany should receive for the former. Whether you look at the league’s respective records in the Champions League over the last one, three, five, 10, 15, 20 or 30 years, Serie A has embarrassingly outperformed the Bundesliga.

06/07 - Only one German team, Bayern, got out of the groups. FC Hollywood were beaten in the quarters by Milan. Three Italian sides reached the last 16, two reached the quarter finals, and one won the competition – Milan.

07/08 – Only one German team, Schalke, got out of the groups. Schalke were beaten in the quarters by Barcelona. Three Italians reached the last 16, one reached the quarter finals.

08/09 – Only one German team, Bayern, got out of the groups. Bayern were beaten in the quarters by Barcelona. Three Italians reached the last 16, and all were eliminated.

09/10 – Two German teams reached the last 16, one of whom was eliminated. Bayern progressed to the final where they were beaten by a Serie A side. Three Italians reached the last 16, two of whom were eliminated. One won the competition - Inter

10/11 – Two German teams reach last 16, three Italian teams reach last 16.

In the last eight years prior to the current one, a German side has only once progressed past the quarter finals – Bayern last season. During three of those eight years, not a single Bundesliga squad even made it past the last 16. Only five teams in eight years – four of them Bayern (so much for strength in depth!) – have made it to the quarters.

Compare this to Italy’s record over the same period of time. Despite being in crisis since the Calciopoli crisis in 2006, Serie A has won three titles, had five finalists, seven semi-finalists, and 14 quarter finalists. They have won two of the last four Champions Leagues.



Just to close the argument with a historical statistic. In the last 34 years, the German Bundesliga has won three Champions Leagues or European Cups. Serie A has won eight. Italy has appeared in 17 of the last 34 European Cup finals, exactly half. The same ratio as the last four years, both of which resulted in Italian triumphs - a record better than any other league in Europe, England and Spain included.

Yet some idiots in UEFA, who have obviously never kicked a football in their lives want to tell us that the results of glamour ties Stuttgart-Odense and Sampdoria-Debrecen are more important in judging whether Italy deserves three or four Champions League spots.
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ok, these are the clubs and leagues ranking according to UEFA... As you can see, Seria A has been overtaken by the Bundesliga, the german league earns 4 champions league spots as for 2012-2013 season... Real Madrid are back to the top 10... The weird thing is that Manchester United are still ahead of Barcelona... Bayern Munich are 4th and getting closer to Chelsea's 3rd position...


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ok, these are the clubs and leagues ranking according to UEFA... As you can see, Seria A has been overtaken by the Bundesliga, the german league earns 4 champions league spots as for 2012-2013 season... Real Madrid are back to the top 10... The weird thing is that Manchester United are still ahead of Barcelona... Bayern Munich are 4th and getting closer to Chelsea's 3rd position...


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