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Old 03-13-2008   #11
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Default Re: رصدٌ توثيقي لمواقف العماد عون من حزب الله

I can't understand what you're trying to prove? ino FPM was against hizbullah weapons and now it changed? no my dear FPM position is still the same that weapon should be taken off and we're trying to find a solution for that in a way not to let your israeli friend that you always ignore their massacres against Lebanese and children of Lebanon.
look who's talking! the lebanese forces let's check some stuff together to see who is following his personal interests or to be more detailed who is cheap to sell himself many times for "1 minister" during the syrian occupation and now. let's check together how anti-syrian geagea was and how credible he was.
SHI GHARIB 3AJIB!!!

Accusing michel sleiman and martyr francois el hajj being pro syrian and pro opposition and that General Sleiman has links with syria and fate7 al islam.

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This one is my favorite,
it's the position of geagea when trying to get a minister during the syrian occupation and geagea after he got the 1 minister in this government and his position about telet el damin and his explanation about the constitution regarding electing the President. chi gharib 3ajib!
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Geagea blaming the government and accusing it being fully responsible of the crimes happening and will happen in Lebanon especially that it has a big arabic and international support and of course as usually the opposite where he found the opposition statement that the government held responsibility as "weird, and once again gharib 3ajib!".
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And finally Geagea the great anti Syrian who was never okay with the syrian presence visiting mr. 7afiz el assad in SYRIA in 1994, and we all know that in 1994 the syrian occupation ken bi 3ezzo. and mr. geagea thought about paying respect to the occupier and that the visit had no meanings lol.
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nice thread, i smell resemblance between GMA and Junblat ahahahaha
well , i think that you know very well that GMA didn't change his positions , but there are many political situations that have changed, starting from hariri's assassination, to the syrian withdrawal and the alliance betweem HA-FM-PSP .

some people don't know anything other than cursing syria and HA , and thank God , GMA is not one of those people .

and btw , how can you accuse us of doing a crime by allying with HA, while joumblat, hariri and geagea allied with them in 2005's elections ?

i remember that you were cursing GMA and accusing him of being USA's ally .
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Miss venustasera, could you please tell us what does the MOU between FPM and HA is about. we are just bunch of sheep who supported it without reading it, maybe you can enlighten us since you've read it well and understood each point of it and concluded that FPM wants HA weapons to remain and how it changed its positions.
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Memorandum of Understanding:




I. Dialogue

National dialogue, on the basis of firm principles that reflect an all-inclusive consensus, is the only way to find solutions for the crises that are overwhelming Lebanon. The following conditions are necessary to ensure its success:
A. The participation of all parties that have a political, popular, and national status in a round-table meeting.
B. Transparency, frankness, and the placing of national interests above all other interests, through Lebanon's independent will and free decisionmaking.
C. The inclusion of all issues that have a national character and require general consensus.
II. Consensual Democracy
Consensual democracy remains the fundamental basis for governance in Lebanon, embodying the spirit of its constitution and the essence of the pact of coexistence. Therefore, any approach to national issues on the basis of a majority/minority formula will remain contingent on the realization of historical and social conditions necessary for real democracy, in which the citizen becomes a value in and of himself.
III. The Electoral Law
Reforming and organizing Lebanese political life require the adoption of a modern electoral law (of which proportional representation may be an effective form) that guarantees the accuracy and fairness of popular representation and contributes to the following:
A. Activating the role of political parties, with the aim of bolstering civil society.
B. Limiting the influence of money and sectarian extremism in politics.
C. Providing equal access to the media.
D. Ensuring that expatriate Lebanese can exercise their voting rights. We call on the government and parliament to enact the required electoral law as soon as possible.
IV. Building the State
Building a modern state that enjoys the trust of its citizens and is able to meet their needs and aspirations, and provide them with the sense of security and safety as to their present and future, requires that the state be erected on strong and solid foundations that make it impervious to destabilization and periodic crises whenever it is threatened by difficult circumstances or changes. This requires adhering to the following:
A. Adopting the standards of justice, equality, parity, merit and integrity.
B. Recognizing that a fair and impartial judiciary is the essential condition for creating a state of rights, law, and institutions. This is based on:
  1. A fully independent judiciary and the selection of judges with recognized competence in order to activate the work of all courts.
  2. Respect for the functioning of constitutional institutions; sheltering them from political influences, ensuring the continuity of their work; and preventing their paralysis, as was the case with the Judicial Council and the Constitutional Council. What happened in the Constitutional Council is an example of such paralysis, particularly with respect to the parliamentary challenges submitted to it that have not yet been decided.
C. Address corruption at the roots, because temporary and pacifying treatments are no longer sufficient and have become an exercise in circumvention by the beneficiaries of corruption at all levels, who sap the resources of the state and the citizen. This requires:
  1. Activating the financial and administrative control and inspection institutions, and make them independent of the executive branch so as to guarantee that their work is not politicized.
  2. Conducting a comprehensive survey of the centers of corruption, in preparation for opening judicial investigations that ensure the prosecution of those responsible for corruption and the return of embezzled public funds.
  3. Enacting the necessary laws to combat corruption in all its forms and demanding the government sign the United Nations Anti-Corruption Convention.
  4. Working for comprehensive administrative reform ensuring that the right person is assigned to the right position, particularly those whose competence and integrity are recognized. This can be achieved by enabling the Civil Service Council to fully exercise its prerogatives.
  5. Setting deadlines to treat these problems, because the factor of time is critical. The matter requires just and rapid solutions that use the time factor to their advantage instead of the corrupt using it to theirs.
V. The Missing During the War
Turning the page on the past and enacting comprehensive national reconciliation requires that all outstanding files of the war be closed. The file of those who disappeared during the war requires a responsible stand to end this abnormal situation and give closure to families who cannot be asked to forgive and forget without respect for their right to know the fate of their missing relatives. Therefore, we ask all the forces and parties that participated in the war to cooperate fully in uncovering the fate of the missing and the locations of mass graves.
VI. Lebanese Citizens in Israel
Based on our conviction that the presence of Lebanese citizens in their homeland is better than their presence in enemy territory, a resolution of the question of the Lebanese residing in Israel requires urgent action to enable their return to their country, taking into consideration all the political, security and living conditions surrounding this issue. On this basis, we appeal to them to return promptly to their homeland, guided by the call of His Eminence Al-Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah following the Israeli withdrawal from south Lebanon and the speech delivered by Gen. Michel Aoun during the first session of parliament [last year].
VII. The Security Issue

A. Political Assassinations
Political assassinations of any kind are condemned and rejected because they violate fundamental human rights, contravene the foundations of Lebanon represented by differences and diversity, and undermine the spirit and practice of democracy.
We condemn the assassination of the martyr prime minister Rafiq Hariri and all other assassinations and assassination attempts that preceded and followed it, most recently the killing of MP Gibran Tueni, and we emphasize the importance of continuing the investigation in accordance with officially approved mechanisms to uncover the truth. This is an issue that cannot be subjected to any compromise because it is a prerequisite for achieving justice, punishing criminals, and ending the continuing cycle of murders and bombings. Therefore, it is important that these issues be insulated from attempts at political exploitation, which would undermine them and the essence of justice, which must remain above any political conflicts and disputes.
B. Security Reforms
Reform of the security agencies is an integral part of the broader process of reforming basic state institutions and rebuilding them on sound and firm bases. In view of the sensitive role of the security agencies in maintaining stability and security in the country against any violations or threats, the process of building these agencies must be given special attention. Therefore, the government is urged to assume its full responsibilities as follows:
  1. Draw up a comprehensive security plan based on centralized decisionmaking, clear distinctions between enemy and friend, and specification of security threats, such as terrorism and security loopholes that must be addressed.
  2. Place the security agencies above all political considerations and patronage, so that their full loyalty is to the nation alone.
  3. Assign responsibility for these agencies to people with recognized competence and integrity.
  4. Ensure that security measures do not conflict with liberties guaranteed by the constitution, especially freedom of expression and political practice, provided they do not threaten security and public order.
  5. Establish a joint parliamentary-security committee charged with monitoring and directing the process of reforming and building the security agencies.
VIII. Lebanese-Syrian Relations
The establishment of sound and normal Lebanese-Syrian relations requires a review of past experience to learn necessary lessons and draw conclusions, so as to avoid the same mistakes, flaws, and loopholes. This will pave the way for improving relations on the basis of equality, full and mutual respect for the sovereignty and independence of both states, and the rejection of a return to any form of foreign tutelage. Therefore, the following must be done:
A. The government must take all necessary and legal measures with regard to affirming Lebanese ownership of the Shebaa Farms enclave and present these to the United Nations, now that the Syrian state has declared it to be fully Lebanese territory.
B. Delineate the borders between Lebanon and Syria, while easing tensions that might impede this process, which both Lebanon and Syria have a long-standing need to complete as part of an agreement by the two countries.
C. Press Syria to fully cooperate with the Lebanese authorities in uncovering the fate of the Lebanese detainees in Syrian prisons, in an atmosphere devoid of provocation, tension and negativity that would hinder a positive resolution of this matter.
D. Establish diplomatic relations between the two countries and provide an appropriate climate for these relations, transforming them from relations between individuals and groups to relations between institutions, thus securing their continuity and firmness.
IX. Lebanese-Palestinian Relations
Addressing the Palestinian file requires a comprehensive approach, stressing the Palestinians' respect for the authority of the Lebanese state and compliance with its laws and, on the other hand, reaffirming of solidarity with their cause and the restoration of their rights, in accordance with the following rules:
A. The social condition of the Palestinians requires serious efforts to improve their standard of living and provide the basis for dignified human life, in accordance with the requirements of bilateral cooperation and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In addition, efforts must be made to facilitate their movement inside and outside of Lebanese territory.
B. The right of return of the Palestinians is a fundamental and fixed right. The Lebanese people unanimously reject settlement of the Palestinians in Lebanon, which cannot be conceded under any circumstances.
C. The relationship between the Lebanese state and the Palestinians must be defined within the framework of one Palestinian institution that is the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in Lebanon, ensuring good coordination and cooperation.
D- The issue of ending the carrying of weapons outside the camps and organizing the security situation inside the camps must be addressed within a framework of serious, responsible and urgent dialogue between the Lebanese government and the Palestinians, leading to the establishment of the state's authority and laws over all Lebanese territory.
X. Protecting Lebanon and Preserving its Independence and Sovereignty
The protection of Lebanon and preservation of its independence and sovereignty are a national responsibility, guaranteed by international charters and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, particularly in confronting any threats or dangers that could harm them, irrespective of where these dangers might come from. Therefore, carrying arms is not an objective in itself, but a noble and sacred means that is exercised by any group whose land is occupied, in a manner identical to the methods of political resistance.

In this context, Hezbollah's arms must be addressed as part of a comprehensive approach that falls within two parameters. The first parameter is reliance on justifications that reflect national consensus and constitute the sources of strength for Lebanon and the Lebanese in terms of preserving these arms. The second parameter is to objectively define conditions that would eliminate the reasons and justifications for keeping these weapons. Since Israel occupies the Shebaa Farms, imprisons Lebanese resistance fighters, and threatens Lebanon, the Lebanese people must assume their responsibilities and share the burden of protecting Lebanon, safeguarding its existence and security, and preserving its independence and sovereignty by:
A. Liberating the Shebaa Farms from the Israeli occupation.
B. Liberating Lebanese prisoners from Israeli jails.
C. Protecting Lebanon from Israeli dangers through a national dialogue leading to the formulation of a national defense strategy, which the Lebanese agree to and are involved in by assuming its burdens and benefiting from its outcomes.


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Old 03-13-2008   #15
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nice thread, i smell resemblance between GMA and Junblat ahahahaha

nice joke ....

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And can you tell me if you don't mind where is the resemblance that you're talking about?
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Old 03-13-2008   #16
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Speaking about changing positions, would you mind enlighten us about the LF statements regarding hariri's government and sanyoura during the last 15 years??

Not only that, what about their position to the Hizb weapons in 2005 before the elctions? "محامي الدفاع عن سمير جعجع يوسع وكالته بتكليف من "سجين اليرزة" ليتعهد الدفاع عن سلاح المقاومة"
(al mustaqbal; 08-06-05)

So building an understanding with a Lebanese political party and preventing a civil war to take place is a crime, whereas allying with them to get some political seats and then creating a ministerial platform that is a pure blessing to the weapons is not wrong.. Nice logic. No wonder why we're still not improving.
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Dont U Remember Ur Lovely Sitrida GeaGea, lama 3emlet Mo2tamar Sa7afi, And SHE SUPPORTED The Resistance Arms??..and She Said that this is The LF point of view?
wala Kelo Kermal Yotla3 Samir..w Mnensa Kel Chi!!!!
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Usually no articles are accepted without reliable sources but we will make an exception for what the thread has a meaningful importance!

Now, back to the subject, u really astonish me by reversing the facts in the article and excluding what and how it was forged and moreover what is the consensus between the two parties? Ever hear about pre-negotiations? ever heard about points of vies that can vary? ever heard about mutual discussions based on differences? after reading ur article and comments, i think not.

Go learn this vocabulary that make a country being build healthier than ever, and then later on come and discuss with something u understand not brainwashed with!
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venustasera answer me on this :

what if you and your brother had a dispute and both of you cut relations with each others, and after some years you met him, hugged him and had reconciliation, BUT your neighbour wasn't so happy because this reconciliation took place so he began talking on how u used to hate your brother and what he used to say about you when you were on a rupture.
can you tell me what you call this neighbour ???

for me he's just a snake w sane3 fetan that's what the LF is all about .
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Speaking about changing positions, would you mind enlighten us about the LF statements regarding hariri's government and sanyoura during the last 15 years??

Not only that, what about their position to the Hizb weapons in 2005 before the elctions? "محامي الدفاع عن سمير جعجع يوسع وكالته بتكليف من "سجين اليرزة" ليتعهد الدفاع عن سلاح المقاومة"
(al mustaqbal; 08-06-05)

So building an understanding with a Lebanese political party and preventing a civil war to take place is a crime, whereas allying with them to get some political seats and then creating a ministerial platform that is a pure blessing to the weapons is not wrong.. Nice logic. No wonder why we're still not improving.
لائحة وحدة الجبل" تعيد الاعتبار لأحلام الثورة اللبنانية
و"لائحة الحازمية" تُحيي عواطف أزمة الانكسار
جعجع يستجيب من سجنه لضروريات الوحدة الوطنية
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"لائحة وحدة الجبل" قلبت المقاييس وجعلت المستحيل ممكناً والحرب وعداً بالسلام. لم يكن أحد يتخيل ان لائحة انتخابية يمكن ان تجسد حلماً وطنياً كبيراً، فتحول الشعارات الجميلة الى وقائع ملموسة.
اللوحة في غاية الروعة. محامي الدفاع عن سمير جعجع يوسع وكالته بتكليف من "سجين اليرزة" ليتعهد الدفاع عن سلاح المقاومة، المكوّنات الجوهرية التي انتجت "لقاء عين التينة" تتوحد بخطة عمل مع المكوّنات الجوهرية التي صنعت "لقاء البريستول". عين الرمانة، نقطة انطلاقة الحرب اللبنانية، تصبح نقطة التقاء للراغبين بإرساء المصالحة الوطنية الحقيقية.
وليد جنبلاط أسير المطاردات الارهابية مع "حزب الله" أسير المطاردات الدولية مع سمير جعجع أسير "زنزانة اليرزة" مع "تيار المستقبل" أسير كراهية النظام الامني المجرم مع رموز "المارونية السياسية" أسيرة الاتهام بالتسبب بالنزاع الوطني.
ثمة شيء في هذه اللوحة يفوق القدرة على التخيل: علي عمار يصفق للمطالبة باطلاق سراح جعجع. انطوان غانم يصفق لأدمون نعيم الحريص على حماية المقاومة. وطيف وليد جنبلاط يوزع نفسه مع طيف رفيق الحريري ليكونا صلة الوصل بين الجميع.
قبل هذا المشهد، لم يكن احد يفهم المعاني العميقة لخروج الجيش السوري من لبنان. لم يكن احد قادر على التمييز بين ما كان يحصل في العام 2000 من انكفاءات وتحالفات وصراعات وبين الواقع المتغير في العام 2005. عين الرمانة ادت هذه الوظيفة، وأعادت الاعتبار للاحلام بعدما تواطأ كثيرون لجعل الاصلاح مجرد كوابيس.
وبالاذن من شتامي "المستقبل"، سواء في المؤتمرات الصحافية أو بالرسائل الموحدة المصدر التي تنهال على البريد الالكتروني للصحيفة، فان ما حصل في عين الرمانة يبدو مناقضاً كلياً لما تولى العماد ميشال عون القيام به وجسّده في "لائحة الحازمية".
"لائحة الحازمية" مع استثناء شكيب قرطباوي الذي يثبت يوماً بعد يوم انه ينتمي الى تحالف لا يشبهه بشيء، هي ائتلاف الحاقدين والطامحين والخائفين.
تحالف الطامحين...
ذلك ان العماد ميشال عون الذي يطمح إلى تكريس نفسه زعيماً، يحاول الاستفادة من واقع مسيحي صنعه بنفسه، لجهة اقناع بسطاء المسيحيين انه لا بد من قائد يستطيع الوقوف في وجه "التطاول الجنبلاطي". اما طلال ارسلان الذي، ومهما اخشوشن صوته، فيطمح الى اثبات حضوره حالياً بعدما كان في السابق، وبإرادة "والي دمشق" قد فرض فرضاً، في المقاعد النيابية الشاغرة ومن ثم في المقاعد الوزارية لإفهام جنبلاط المتأهِّب دائما للرفض بأن بديله جاهز لاحتلال كامل مساحة السلطة، ولعلّ ما حصل في حكومة كرامي الاخيرة يصلح للقياس.
ولا يشبه التحالف بين مكونات المعارضة التي أخرجت الامن السوري من الحياة الوطنية اللبنانية مع "حزب الله" و"حركة امل" بشيء ذاك التحالف بين العماد ميشال عون مع طلال ارسلان.
"حزب الله" و"أمل"
في التحالف الاول المبني على مشروع سياسي تتشابك فيه كل العزائم المقاوِمة في لبنان، ثمة اعتراف متبادل بمكونات أساسية وثابتة في البلاد. ذلك ان الانتخابات، نيابية كانت ام بلدية، والتظاهرات، سيادية كانت ام دينية، تثبت ان "حزب الله" و"حركة امل" ليسا مكونات مصطنعة ولا يزولان بزوال أنظمة أمنية أم غطاء اقليمي، فهما صنيعة شعب يؤمن بهما وليس من صنع الاجهزة، في حين ان طلال ارسلان ولولا الدعم العوني لكان هباءً منثوراً لا خيار امامه ليحافظ على نفسه سوى بالعزوف عن الترشح للانتخابات، كما فعل كثيرون من رموز النظام المتهاوي حيث لا يمكن لعون ان يُعين.
قد يكون العماد عون أعطى هذه الانتخابات نكهة المعركة باختياره نهج الهجوم على معارضي الداخل مستفيداً من استعداد مسيحي دائم للانجراف نحو رافعي شعارات الرفض التي لا تنتج بالمحصلة سوى مزيد من الخسائر، ولكنه حرم نفسه من الاطلالة التي كان يطمح اللبنانيون أن يروه فيها.
مفاهيم جعجع
وما عجز عون ـ لأسباب غير مفهومة ـ عن القيام به وهو في الحرية، انجزه سمير جعجع من سجنه. وما اتهم به جعجع، عشية ادخاله الى السجن قبل أحد عشر عاما، اقترفه العماد عون غداة وصوله إلى بيروت.
كان جعجع السجين مُدركاً لحقائق وطن لا يُنجز شيئاً إلا بالوحدة الوطنية، فمد يده بعيداً من أوهام الاحجام والادوار الى ورثة رفيق الحريري والى وليد جنبلاط وإلى "حزب الله" والى المدى السياسي البطريركي، فدخل الشوف من البلدة التي حوصر بها يوما وبعبدا ـ عاليه من القرى التي شهدت مآسي التناحر الداخلي، والشمال من البوابة التي تبلور الوحدة الداخلية فاقتحم مع بشري عمق طرابلس وكل عكار.
بدا جعجع، على الرغم من آثار سجن طويل، الأكثر تفهما لخصوصيات المعارضة من الداخل، وهو الذي دفع الثمن الباهظ لهذا النوع من المعارضة. ادرك ما تحمله سمير فرنجية وفارس سعيد وصولانج الجميل وأمين الجميل وجبران تويني ودوري شمعون، وأتْقن مقدمات مطاردة وليد جنبلاط واغتيال رفيق الحريري ومحاولة اغتيال مروان حمادة وكَسْر قلم سمير قصير، وتفهَّم خلفيات تمسك المقاومة بسلاحها وهو الذي اصبح لقمة سائغة بيد خصومه يوم اصبح مجرد منظّر سياسي في غدراس محاطاً بطموحات "جنرالات الطائف".
عولمة العسكريتاريا
كل لوائح المعارضة فيها شيء من حلم اللبنانيين، ولكن لائحة بعبدا ـ عاليه فيها كل الاحلام بغد يحرر الديموقراطية من أسر سُلطوية العسكر، لبنانياً كان ام سورياً... فسلطوية العسكر كانت واحدة، ولو اختلفت الجغرافيا، فديكتاتورية اليونان لم تختلف عن ديكتاتوريات اميركا اللاتينية وعن ديكتاتوريات العالم العربي.


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