difference between SG & GMA

[Carella]

i read the post about the differences between SG n GMA about the presidency, and id like to say come comments:

lebanese people only read or hear the sentence that they see or hear, lebanese people should read and hear between the lines and think more far than their nose.

when geagea said that the presidency is ours, he doesnt mean that its for him, since he dont care to be a president, and that what he said it last sunday when he make a conference about the elections of baabda-aley.

while, michel aoun since he was in the baabda palace, he said in a way that the presidency will be his, and i think that's whats he is looking for. (i think guys u have the video of 15sec where he speak that he will stay in the palace....)
anyways, im not here to judge michel aoun because he is free to be a president as much as any other leader.

im sure all of you in the news watched aoun when he is doing a meeting with all the members of the free patriotic movement.
i dont know if i am the only one who remark it, but are you remarking that he sit he and bassil 3a ras el tawle the other arround it , and it seems he is the only one who talk.....

anyways, GMA is a real patriotic since he stayed outside lebanon 15 years and that because he refused the syrian invasion, his students were beating in the manifesto, and the people who was beating them was in the hand of wazir el dekhliye......

and SG is a real patriotic since he was jailed 11 years in the jail for refusing the syrians invasions and his students were beating in the manifesto , were killed (ramzi irani...) were jailed as fpm student, and it was an order from the wazir el dekhliye who said that the students were a danger for the national security.

samir geagea took a road, and went with saad el hariri, walid jomblat, chamoun, gemayel, moawad, samir frangieh

michel aoun took another road, and went with sleiman frangieh, erslen, michel el murr, and lately with hizbullah.

just to say to the people who are saying that geagea is only a game between the hands of hariri and jomblat, i want to say that when the martyr rafic el hariri was running for the first time the elections in beirut, he asked the help of the responsible in the lebanese forces to help him, and my father was the "deyer el 7emle" for hariri in achrafier.
bas hek, ta 2oul, ano btw fl and fm its from before but it wasnt that strong as now.

and yes its right, he allied with jomblat, who was in a period with syria, but do u know why jomblat called his son tymor?
there was a man called tymor land (or smth like that) who burned the syrian capital, and i dont think that jomblat called his son tymor like that
dunno it may also be a coincidence

aoun allied with michel murr who was an allies of syrian, he allied with sleiman frangieh who have a great relations with the assad family, and thats why he called his little son "bassel", and in the end with hizbullah.

the last one, had a lot of critics, yes its true i critise it also, but in the same it was a positif point for a "hiwar" between all the parties...


now, about the topic of who killed chamoun? i voted for the syrian, because he was killed just after when the army went from the region.
if really geagea killed him, and as one of the person said that he was the power during that time, he wouldnt wait until that the army under the lead of aoun go, he could enter whenever he wants.
but its just another crime of the syrians just to put another false crime in the back of samir geagea.


about the topic of who killed tony frangieh? there is a video where the voice of geagea appear, there is book that they say its samir geagea who killed him, and there is also book that say that its elie hobeika who killed him.
no matter who killed him, i have several friends from marada party, and more specific from frangieh family, and every one of them say a story.
i dont want to say who is right or who is not, im just saying, that yes, samir geagea was in the castle, but who knows who was there before him and speciually that there was no bodyguard arround the house! who knows, maybe people knew that samir geagea and elie hobeika are making a training to ehden as some book said, and they wanted to kill tony frangieh and in that way when geagea & co arrive they will accuse him.
who knows, maybe there is other persons who wanted the death of tony frangieh, maybe because he had some meeting with bachir gemayel and camille chamoun who was two persons against their existences in lebanon.


no futur for lebanon without a democracy
no existence for lebanon without a unity
and no peace in lebanon if we will still fighting each other, accusins each other of false accusations.


about the hizbullah army, let them do a "7iwar" and in that "7iwar" they will know the real cause for the arms of hizbullah.


best regards

[Patriotic]

lebanese people only read or hear the sentence that they see or hear, lebanese people should read and hear between the lines and think more far than their nose.

That's why they participated in the February 14 demonstration, they went to celebrate the first memory of the crime, and the politicians move the subject to push lahoud for resignation.

when geagea said that the presidency is ours, he doesnt mean that its for him, since he dont care to be a president, and that what he said it last sunday when he make a conference about the elections of baabda-aley.

It is not because Geagea does not care to be a president, but because he knows that he will fail in this post.

while, michel aoun since he was in the baabda palace, he said in a way that the presidency will be his, and i think that's whats he is looking for. (i think guys u have the video of 15sec where he speak that he will stay in the palace....)
anyways, im not here to judge michel aoun because he is free to be a president as much as any other leader.

General candidate himself, while Geagea tried many times to see if the majority will candidate him, and when he knew that it is hard, he said that he prefer to be the LF leader, remember when he said that he could be a president if 70 deputies candidate him.

im sure all of you in the news watched aoun when he is doing a meeting with all the members of the free patriotic movement.
i dont know if i am the only one who remark it, but are you remarking that he sit he and bassil 3a ras el tawle the other arround it , and it seems he is the only one who talk.....

It was not for the FPM, it was a meeting for the Reform and Change bloc, and since GMA was the leader of this bloc, he have to sit there, as for Gebran Basil, he did not participate in the meeting and this was shown on all the TV stations, he was sitting before the meeting next to the General but LFBC filmed him like he was participating.

anyways, GMA is a real patriotic since he stayed outside lebanon 15 years and that because he refused the syrian invasion, his students were beating in the manifesto, and the people who was beating them was in the hand of wazir el dekhliye......

Wazir al dife3, because when we were captured on the 9th August (and i was one of them) we were taken to Wizaret El Dife3 and not the Wizaret el dekhliey or any police station, and after it we were sent to Roumieh.

and SG is a real patriotic since he was jailed 11 years in the jail for refusing the syrians invasions and his students were beating in the manifesto , were killed (ramzi irani...) were jailed as fpm student, and it was an order from the wazir el dekhliye who said that the students were a danger for the national security.

He entered the jail because he thought of beeing smarter than the Syrian, he worked with them and enter the Taef Argument and he tried to have a revolution on it, so they throw him in jail.

samir geagea took a road, and went with saad el hariri, walid jomblat, chamoun, gemayel, moawad, samir frangieh

Hizbollah, Amal

michel aoun took another road, and went with sleiman frangieh, erslen, michel el murr, and lately with hizbullah.

After the syrian withdrawall he have the right to ally to any one, because all become Lebanese, and he want to stand against the syrian, he would be alone since all the Lebanese parties, including Lf worked with the syrians in the last 15 years.

just to say to the people who are saying that geagea is only a game between the hands of hariri and jomblat, i want to say that when the martyr rafic el hariri was running for the first time the elections in beirut, he asked the help of the responsible in the lebanese forces to help him, and my father was the "deyer el 7emle" for hariri in achrafier.

And the LF agreed on the ally and candidate Joe Sarkis to the municipality elections on the HARIRI list formed by the SYRIANS :lol:

bas hek, ta 2oul, ano btw fl and fm its from before but it wasnt that strong as now.

And FM were allied to the syrian, so lf was SYRIAN.

and yes its right, he allied with jomblat, who was in a period with syria, but do u know why jomblat called his son tymor?
there was a man called tymor land (or smth like that) who burned the syrian capital, and i dont think that jomblat called his son tymor like that
dunno it may also be a coincidence

It is Tymorlank and he have nothing to do with the syrian, Taymour is a famous name in syria, are the syrian with the burning of SYRIA?

aoun allied with michel murr who was an allies of syrian, he allied with sleiman frangieh who have a great relations with the assad family, and thats why he called his little son "bassel", and in the end with hizbullah.

Who named his son BASSEL? and don't forget that Joumblat and Hariri were syrian puppets, all of them worked with the syrians to have seats and bags.

now, about the topic of who killed chamoun? i voted for the syrian, because he was killed just after when the army went from the region.
if really geagea killed him, and as one of the person said that he was the power during that time, he wouldnt wait until that the army under the lead of aoun go, he could enter whenever he wants.
but its just another crime of the syrians just to put another false crime in the back of samir geagea.

Why did not Geagea said that he is innocent?

about the topic of who killed tony frangieh? there is a video where the voice of geagea appear, there is book that they say its samir geagea who killed him, and there is also book that say that its elie hobeika who killed him.
no matter who killed him, i have several friends from marada party, and more specific from frangieh family, and every one of them say a story. i dont want to say who is right or who is not, im just saying, that yes, samir geagea was in the castle, but who knows who was there before him and speciually that there was no bodyguard arround the house! who knows, maybe people knew that samir geagea and elie hobeika are making a training to ehden as some book said, and they wanted to kill tony frangieh and in that way when geagea & co arrive they will accuse him.
who knows, maybe there is other persons who wanted the death of tony frangieh, maybe because he had some meeting with bachir gemayel and camille chamoun who was two persons against their existences in lebanon.

Geagea had an interview and he said that he killed Tony Franjieh

no futur for lebanon without a democracy

Do you think that Geagea believe in democracy? Wait my second letter to him and you will know.

about the hizbullah army, let them do a "7iwar" and in that "7iwar" they will know the real cause for the arms of hizbullah.

You can find the invitation to the DIALOGUE in the Hizbollah-FPM agreement paper.

best regards

Welcome to the forum.

[xcoder]

First welcome to the forum.
if general aoun wanted the presidency he could have got it long time ago when 7afez l assad proposed it to let syrian enter in exchange.
general aoun and the Lebanese army with support of Lebanese from all religions launched the liberation war against the Syrian occupation
and that was the position of samir geagea:
http://vcoderz.com/mn/files/fpm/spec...agea_syria.WMV
is it the same one who said ( a3ref 3adouwak al souri 3adouwak)????
that time mr jumblat and the Lebanese forces were fighting the Lebanese army
Lebanese Forces ID:
http://vcoderz.com/mn/files/fpm/spec...s/lf_drugs.wmv
walid jumblat the liberation hero:
http://vcoderz.com/mn/files/fpm/spec...es/jumblat.ram
who was fighting the Lebanese army using Syrian weapons
the MPs went to taef agreement
General Aoun asked them to come back and do it in Lebanon but they refused then
he mentioned the 'fasleh' that specify the duration of the Syrian occupation for the Lebanese land
i have the video when general said (" how can i make sure the syrian will withdraw in 2 years?")
that time mr geagea and mr jumblat... didn't listen.
and samir geagea went to prison when mr hariri and mr jumblat were in power calling
for we7det l massar wel massir ma3 l 'shakika'
and moukhtara bouwabat l cham... wel sejed l a7mar for rostom
and the keys of beirut to rostom...
then comes august 7 when as i remember mr jumblat called us 'israeli agents'
then came the 1559 when mr jumblat and hariri turned 90 degree
after the new 14 march 2005 came the elections.
when the new-old gang passed the 2000 law to get the majority
mr hariri and mr jumblat wanted to GIVE us 6 mps and they chose 3 of them but we refused and
wanted to run the elections
that time mr walid jumblat and the Lebanese forces allied with hizbollah in baabda 3aley to stop the
so called tsunami which as you know got much more MPs 'law men' 2000 law and the baabda aley
when the lebanese forces went to sayyed hassan nassrallah and mentioned that its weapon has to remain as long
as israel occupy sheb3a
that time hizbollah wasn't a militia and its weapon was totally legal unlike now.
the elections results
free patriotic movement won in all Christian areas except bshareh even he got 73% of ein l remeneh votes.
FPM bloc voted for mr samir geagea release (which i don't agree).
and liberated with him the terrorists of doniye who earlier voted for Mrs. geagea in north elections.
and attacked your hometown ashrafiye weeks ago.
in another meaning
Hezbollah and amal weren't our allies they voted for the lebanese forces MPs
and when general aoun and sayyed hassan nassrallah met for the first time and made a paper
to release the syrian detanees in syrian jails . to bring back lebanese refugees in israel.
to specify the borders...
they all refused it!! why?
and a very high level media mr hariri and mr geagea OWN

that help for the unity of Lebanese
do u have another story?

[KeXasthur]

lebanese people only read or hear the sentence that they see or hear, lebanese people should read and hear between the lines and think more far than their nose

i voted for the syrian, because he was killed just after when the army went from the region

Do u think that u used the first quoted sentence in the second qouted sentence.....
:roll:

just to say to the people who are saying that geagea is only a game between the hands of hariri and jomblat, i want to say that when the martyr rafic el hariri was running for the first time the elections in beirut, he asked the help of the responsible in the lebanese forces to help him, and my father was the "deyer el 7emle" for hariri in achrafier.
bas hek, ta 2oul, ano btw fl and fm its from before but it wasnt that strong as now.

Sa3ed el hariri needs a christian population which, even if a little, can gather christians so that not only sunnis and druze will be in the demonstartion and 14 azar....
Lebanese forces were his choice...
as Sleiman bek said....sa3ed el hariri wa Junblat bi 7aja ila ghata2 masseee7i..


Your marada Friends....Dont they all say that Geagea killed him.....
Dont tell me once again that Syrians did b/c its a waste of time....
no body can know the exact story....
but we all know that geagea killed him...
and i want to tell u that geagea made many visits to Tony bek and was getting in good relationship with him....He memorized everything concerning the house...and made the attack....
he killed Jihane..because she loved samir geagea..(called him 3ammo samir)
When he killed her, she wasnt a witness anymore...because she could say his name....and RECOGNIZE him......Shot her in her head....

[Carella]

hehe tx lf boss.

guys! i know samir geagea was a friend of tony beik, and i know what i need to know from that story, and damiree merte7

guys, and specially the one who want to write a second letter for geagea, let me see it the 2nd letter bcz i would really be proud to give it to geagea and let him reply u on it.

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by Carella

hehe tx lf boss.

guys! i know samir geagea was a friend of tony beik, and i know what i need to know from that story, and damiree merte7

guys, and specially the one who want to write a second letter for geagea, let me see it the 2nd letter bcz i would really be proud to give it to geagea and let him reply u on it.

why don't you deliver the first one as well?
we really want to know what he thinks of his followers.
i think they're taking the same way as their leader

[KeXasthur]

How do u want us to be united when The First and Only enemy u name is Bachar and La7oud....
As if The Biggest enemy Israel is not present and isnt threatening us...

Letters are important..
.Inno eh 2tol wm Sheee....
Before everything prevails, we are not close to unite ....

[xcoder]

Focus on the topic please. Any other subjects can be discussed in a new thread

[Patriotic]

Originally Posted by LF_BOSS

:shock: chwei chwei dayya3toune bass ana b2ayyed carella :lol:

de3et, defa3et bala ma to2ra ... t3awadna 3laykoun :lol:

guys! i know samir geagea was a friend of tony beik, and i know what i need to know from that story, and damiree merte7

guys, and specially the one who want to write a second letter for geagea, let me see it the 2nd letter bcz i would really be proud to give it to geagea and let him reply u on it.

Geagea was a friend of Tony Bey? .... wa mina al 7oubi ma katal :lol:

The one who want to write a second letter, is ME.
I would like to ask you if you can deliver this one to him and then the second one, so we can know his own reply on it

[Gino]

Goodness, if i too had a chance to send SG a letter, i wouldnt hesitate a minute...

As for SG and Tony Franjiyeh being friends, i dont follow... The events that occured that night are still clouded to this day, for even with the evidence raised by Sleiman bek recently, this is hard to comprehend, for the LF were virtually non-existent in 1978, it was mainly Kataeb...This along with other details which remain unknown...

One thing is for sure, Bashir didnt mean for it to turn into a massacre, and it was SG and HK who went haywire...