Hezbollah's Arms !

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by libanati

Did they kill Lebanese people?

Are you kidding me? Look how he did in Irak. Anyway, he might help, but he will certainly not "govern" in an indirect way. Just like we'll not let Iran, Syria or any foreign nation govern our nation. You want Bush to decide for you? Go live in the US.

That's just funny... How can you imagine that we invade Israel? Do you think we have the power or they'll even let us?!

And Israel can kidnap Lebanese people?

You say they're secure. They shouldn't be afraid then. Lebanese civils aren't secure. What about them?

So do the Israelis and the Syrians.

That's exactly what will lead us to something very bad.

Athegan, first of all, there's no need to call us "scumbags". Sorry that I indexed you with the "others"

libanati i was being sarcastic that's all ... i thought my second reply was clear ...
concerning Athegan, i'm sure he wasn't calling you "scumbag" ... if you followed well the conversation you'll know ...

Thank You ...

[libanati]

Originally Posted by athegan

Is it international? if it is i doubt HA would accept and if it is not I doubt anyone would trust it....

I don't know.

Originally Posted by abousoun

libanati i was being sarcastic that's all ... i thought my second reply was clear ...
concerning Athegan, i'm sure he wasn't calling you "scumbag" ... if you followed well the conversation you'll know ...

Yeah, sorry it's a misunderstanding.

Peace, buddies.

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

1 - In the case all Lebanese parties sit to a table with HA to discuss the issue....What kinda solution in the opinion of HA would be a good alternative to their weapons for protecting Lebanon?(Note that huge objectives and criteria can be suggested that LA will never be able to meet)

You can read item 10 in the MoU

Originally Posted by athegan

2 - If any agreement is reached, what gurantees can HA give that they would not dump the agreement later?

You are distributing the lottery money before even buying the lottery ticket ... I think the hard part isn't the guarantees that HA should give ... it's the agreement ... HA is the one who is giving, he is the one that should be given guarantees that the things they agreed upon in item 10 is fullfiled and that he will be secured and protected as all lebanese in this country ... (ya3ne wa7ad 3am bi2ellak chla7 tyebak w ana bdaffik ... dmanlo annak tdaffih abel ma yechla7 )

Originally Posted by athegan

3 - Observing the shifts that constantly arise in the strategy of HA and the announced goals from the days of their origin through the days of sob7e l tfayle and ending up to day, who can tell what their real objectives are? How willing are their highly trained personal to participate in future internal escalations for many unmet objectives?(like many militants of other parties are doing today)

I think HA since 1992 showed the highest level of commitment toward the lebanese community ... and before that and to show that HA is different from other parties ... his general security Sobhi Tofayli was kicked and all know why ... wein fi gheir parties tghayyar aw bissir fiha hal chi ? the names were and still the same with same mentality ... at least in HA tghayyarit and for better i think and that was shown in the MoU ... that's why all the warlords are attacking this ... fa mneje ne7na attack it too ?
- What are their real objectives ? looool ya 5ayye go ask them, and if you don't judge according to their actions ...
and hinting that HA is militia eno HA in April war payed blood, just to make the israelian erase the word militia from the settlment they acheived and they succeeded in that ... byije kam wa7ad bi2oul HA militia as if i don't care about all these martyrs !!!!! ya 5ayye militia militia if that makes you happy ... el mouhem henne w ghayron bya3rfo 7alon chou

Thank You ...

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

I already did for too long....They are as extreme and as "unready" to live next to fellow lebanese as are most of others u see...they are part of the problem and have always been at least since 2000(before that was another thing)..
They don't fit with the politicians who are ready to live in a united lebanon (najah wakim,GMA, communist party...)
And btw...don't overtrust anyone

HA isn't a part of the problem ... he is the whole problem ... but only in the eyes of those who see them as such ... and those people are well known !!!

ya3ne it's weird how you can judge that Najah wakim , GMA , communist parties are ready to live in united lebanon and you can trust them while when it comes to HA you simply can't ... based on ? simply nothing just accusations ...
ya3ne in other thread you were saying that Najah wakim is willing to die than to compromise ... and here you are saying he is ready to live in a united lebanon (the demand of opposition) ... can you explain what united means ? coz iza badde efham eno najah wakim bimout w ma bicherik el 7okom with loyalists, then united lebanon should means a single sided lebanon ...

P.S: listen to your advise as well coz i read somewhere that sometimes you don't ...

Thank You ...

[Mohamed]

Wanna add something to abousoun in his last part of his post #23..

I wanna add that dont look at the name of the resistance,look at what they r doing and what they achieved in the last years.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by abousoun

You are distributing the lottery money before even buying the lottery ticket ... I think the hard part isn't the guarantees that HA should give ... it's the agreement ... HA is the one who is giving, he is the one that should be given guarantees that the things they agreed upon in item 10 is fullfiled and that he will be secured and protected as all lebanese in this country ... (ya3ne wa7ad 3am bi2ellak chla7 tyebak w ana bdaffik ... dmanlo annak tdaffih abel ma yechla7 )

mse2be ma 7ada ghayron lebes though
They should give gurantees and let them live like everyone else..

Originally Posted by abousoun

I think HA since 1992 showed the highest level of commitment toward the lebanese community

Commitment to their religion...not impressed If instead of Israel, Iran was occupying parts of the south HA would have been "Jesh lebnen l janoobe"(What an absurd name for a traitor btw)

Originally Posted by abousoun

- What are their real objectives ? looool ya 5ayye go ask them, and if you don't judge according to their actions ...

No need...actions speak louder than words...and if it words we are looking for, l Methak ba3do mawjood...

Originally Posted by abousoun

and hinting that HA is militia eno HA in April war payed blood, just to make the israelian erase the word militia from the settlment they acheived and they succeeded in that ... byije kam wa7ad bi2oul HA militia as if i don't care about all these martyrs !!!!! ya 5ayye militia militia if that makes you happy ... el mouhem henne w ghayron bya3rfo 7alon chou

Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by abousoun

HA isn't a part of the problem ... he is the whole problem ... but only in the eyes of those who see them as such ... and those people are well known !!!

HA is part of the problem...absolutism is very favored in your posts I noticed...enno ya abyad ya aswad? Either someone is a saint or a devil?

Originally Posted by abousoun

ya3ne it's weird how you can judge that Najah wakim , GMA , communist parties are ready to live in united lebanon and you can trust them while when it comes to HA you simply can't ... based on ? simply nothing just accusations ...

Ideology...U know what I am talking about...

Originally Posted by abousoun

ya3ne in other thread you were saying that Najah wakim is willing to die than to compromise ... and here you are saying he is ready to live in a united lebanon (the demand of opposition) ... can you explain what united means ?

obviously in the special case of lebanon it means secular( l kelme l bo3bo3)

Originally Posted by abousoun

coz iza badde efham eno najah wakim bimout w ma bicherik el 7okom with loyalists, then united lebanon should means a single sided lebanon ...

You are mixing stuff...I meant najah wakim never compromises the rights of the ppl who voted for him...and one of their rights is knowing who wasted their money...Remember him from 1982 going through Ta2ef agreement then the "Dyansty of the Martyr" till today..

Originally Posted by abousoun

P.S: listen to your advise as well coz i read somewhere that sometimes you don't ...

My cynicism and doubt is so acute I don't even trust myself, don't worry about this one..and I am not a najah wakim worshipper...I have points against him too but in the "martyr's" file, he aces the score

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Wanna add something to abousoun in his last part of his post #23..

I wanna add that dont look at the name of the resistance,look at what they r doing and what they achieved in the last years.

18 years in the heart of the southern suburb of beirut and always been interested in politics...I think I know them pretty well in theory and practice..in fact I am confident that I do...

What did they achieve in the last years? (After 2000....which doesnt mean i like what they were before 2000 but it is a whole different argument before then)

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

mse2be ma 7ada ghayron lebes though
They should give gurantees and let them live like everyone else..

eno fi far2 bein el T-shirt and bullet-proof jacket ... these guys are wearing a bullet proof jacket and are ready and willing to take the bullet aimed at you ... and you are saying remove it and be like me ... okey ktir mni7 ... make him feel safe or at least say you are ready to take that bullet !!!! that gun aimed at you even if you're not hearing its shot is fully loaded with bullets !!!!

Originally Posted by athegan

Commitment to their religion...not impressed If instead of Israel, Iran was occupying parts of the south HA would have been "Jesh lebnen l janoobe"(What an absurd name for a traitor btw)

concerning religion part ... not interested to reply ... and if iran for some reason occupied any part of lebanon w mish south bass, they'll be considered as enemies and everyone who cooperate with them ... and the terminology of "jeish lebnan el janoubi" you hear it only on LBC since they didn't like to call 3oumala la7d traitors !!!
anymore "if"s ?

Originally Posted by athegan

No need...actions speak louder than words...and if it words we are looking for, l Methak ba3do mawjood...

Ktir mni7
Ofcourse, since when the path of the rightoues was disturbed by the whipers of the devil?...spare me the moral superiority[/quote]
you are spared

Thank You ...

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

HA is part of the problem...absolutism is very favored in your posts I noticed...enno ya abyad ya aswad? Either someone is a saint or a devil?

ya 5ayye la absolutism walla saintism wala devilism ... HA is the problem because he is the direct threat to Israel ... ma badda ktir ya3ne

Originally Posted by athegan

Ideology...U know what I am talking about...

now you are talking like the loyalists ... Ideology is the problem ... HA the shiite party made a MoU with the FPM the Maronite party hayde kenit barrat el ideology? ... man read item nb 2 in the MoU ... coz otherwise you are saying that HA and their supporters shouldn't live in Lebanon ... and if they lived in lebanon never to be trusted ... coz ideology never change

Originally Posted by athegan

obviously in the special case of lebanon it means secular( l kelme l bo3bo3)
You are mixing stuff...I meant najah wakim never compromises the rights of the ppl who voted for him...and one of their rights is knowing who wasted their money...Remember him from 1982 going through Ta2ef agreement then the "Dyansty of the Martyr" till today..

ya3ne el communist parties, Najah wakim and GMA want a secular Lebanon to live in ... that's what you are saying !!! Nice
concerning the demands of Najah wakim whom i respect ... these are also the demands of the opposition ... w to be fair coz you said kello abiad aw aswad yemkin mish kel el opposition min masla7ta yenfata7 heik mallaf ... but i'll talk about those who are confident about themselves as GMA and SHN ... remember SHN when he said he is willing to resign from HA and to be judged together with all other politicians about everything ... what was the answer he gets ? the same thing GMA is calling for ...

Originally Posted by athegan

My cynicism and doubt is so acute I don't even trust myself, don't worry about this one..and I am not a najah wakim worshipper...I have points against him too but in the "martyr's" file, he aces the score

I salute him too

Thank You ...