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Originally Posted by IBIN BATTOUTA
other secular parties....
there are other secular parties nowadays.
one of them is the fpm.
independance....
ssnp was fighting for lebanon's independance as part of greater syria not as an independant country.
meanwhile pierre gemayel fought for lebanon as an independant country.
my doubt....this is the part ssnp doesn't like.
relations with israel....
you are going far back in history.
and bringing the kataeb - israel relationship to 1948.
based on what facts?.
when there were no israel?.
when you fought you war in 1975,
did you feel that president franjieh was pro - israel for example?.
and how come ssnp were allied to the syrian forces in 1976 fighting the national movement parties and helping kataeb.
was it ssnp choice or ssnp loyalty to syrian regime?.
was it based on the national movement alliance with israel?.
when you fought you war against Tawheed islamic movement in tripoli,
was it ssnp choice or ssnp loyalty to syrian regime?.
was it based on the Tawheed islamic movement alliance with israel?.
i say this for reasons.
secular parties hold ideologies, which even enemies tend to respect.
followers don't.
you try all the way to disguise the truth.
the truth is that Antoun Saade ideology was not based on ssnp being followers to syrian regimes.
in fact his ideology threatens the syrian regime, as it calls for dissolving it in a bigger entity.
it is in complete contradiction with a dictatorship called Assad family regime.
have no comment on the ideology....as i read about...and this is not what we are discussing here.
have hell of comments on practicing the ideology.....
ssnp sold the ideology except for the name...syrian.
this is what we are talking about.
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ok here's my answers, read well, every part alone....
INDEPENDENCE
JUST LOOK OUT 4 THIS INDEPENDENCE HISTORY, ND DONT FOLLOW THE "HISTORY BOOKS", THOSE LIES WHICH WE STUDY IN SKOOL, WHO R THE HEREOS OF THIS HISTORY: RIYAD LSOL7? BCHARA LKHOURI? SABRY 7MEDA, PIERRE JMAYYIL? HOW COME THEY WERE ALL OF THEM PATRIOTS WHILE FRENCH WERE STILL IN LEBANON, HOW COME THEY WERE PRESIDENTS, PMs, PARLIAMENT MEMBERS???? OF COURSE SSNP FOUGHT 4 THE INDEPENDENCE OF LEBANON, AS A PART OF OUR SYRIAN NATION... ND FOUGHT 4 THE INDEPENDENCE OF SHAM AS A PART OF MY NATION, SAME 4 IRAQ, PALESTINE, JORDAN.... THAT'S Y U CAN FIND THE MARTYR "NORMA ABI 7ASSAN" WHO COMES FROM ZGHARTA FIGHTING IN THE SOUTH, OR "MAHMOUD KANA3A" WHO COMES FROM SYRIA FIGHTIN IN KIRYATSHMONA, OR " YI7YA SKAFF(IN ISRAELI PRISONS RIGHT NOW" WHO COMES FROM TRIPOLI FIGHTING IN PALESTINE"
RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL
إيهود يعاري - صحافي إسرائيلي
بالتأكيد لا، كانت القاعدة، وأود التشديد على ذلك أن الاتصالات ليس على بالضرورة على أعلى المستويات بين الموارنة ومبعوثيهم على المستويات المنخفضة مع دوائر الموساد وأحياناً وزارة الدفاع ووزارة الخارجية، هذه الاتصالات كانت دائمة، كانت ظاهرة دائمة مستمرة، وعندما تُفتح سجلات وزارة الخارجية لأنني لا أعتقد أن سجلات الموساد ستفتح، سيرى العالم بأسره حقيقة هذه الاتصالات، في هذه الفترة كانت الاتصالات تتم في باريس وأول الاتصالات المتعلقة بالحرب الأهلية اللبنانية بدأت مباشرةً بعد اندلاع الحرب، في
أبريل/ نيسان عام 75 تدريجياً ازدادت كثافة الاتصالات وارتفع مستوى ممثلي الطرفين، إلى أن حصل في نهاية المطاف لقاء على
زورق صواريخ إسرائيلي بين اسحق رابين وكميل شمعون والشيخ بيير الجميل
NO COMMENTS......
and how come ssnp were allied to the syrian forces in 1976 fighting the national movement parties and helping kataeb.
HEY HEY WATCH OUT THATS A BIG MISTAKE, IT SEEMS U DIDN'T WATCH "LEBANESE CIVIL WAR" PRETTY WELL, JUST CHECH IT AGAIN... WHEN SYRIAN FORCES ENTERED LEB, THEY HAD NO FIGHT WITH LEBANESE YAMIN, THE 1ST BATTLES WHICH STARTED WERE BETWEEN SYRIAN FORCES ND LEBANESE YASAR, "SYRIANS VS. COMMUNISTS" , "SYRIANS VS. PALESTINIANS" , " SYRIANS VS. ISHTIRAKI" , "SYRIANS VS. SSNP" ( THE BATTLES BETWEEN SYRIANS FORCES ND SSNP STARTED IN KOURA , ND R WELL-KNOWN AS KOURA BATTLES) , KAMAL JUNBLAT WAS THE 1ST VICTIM OF THE YASAR-SYRIAN FIGHT......
when you fought you war against Tawheed islamic movement in tripoli,
was it ssnp choice or ssnp loyalty to syrian regime?.
was it based on the Tawheed islamic movement alliance with israel?.
U WANNA KNOW WAT HAPPENED IN THAT WAR, JUST CHECK OUT WAT HAPPENED IN TRIPOLI AT THAT TIME.... I'LL TELL U ANYWAYS.... TRIPOLI BECAME AN "IMARA ISLAMIYYA" LEADED BY TAW7ID... CHRISTIANS RAN AWAY FROM TRIPOLI OR KILLED ON THE ROADS.... TAW7ID COMMITED A WELL-KNOWN MASSCARE IN TRIPOLI(SPECIFICALY IN MINA) AGAINST THE COMMUNISTS(MAJZARIT LSHOUYOU3IYYI)...ALL PARTIES LEFT TRIPOLI EXCEPT ONE PARTY: SSNP( WE FOUGHT TAW7ID IN THEIR PLACES, ALL OVER TRIPOLI, WE WERE OVER-COUNTED, LESS ARMED, BT WE DEFENDED MARAKIZNA..... SYRIANS FORCES ENTERED TRIPOLI LATER ON, WITH ALL THE PARTIES BACK TO TRIPOLI: INCLUDING, COMMUNISTS, SSNP, NASIRI, ISHTIRAKI......
CONCERNING MY IDEOLOGY: OF COURSE AM IN A CONFLICT WITH ALL LEBANESE ND NON-LEBANESE PARTIES ND MOVEMENTS( INCLUSING BA3TH) , THAT DOESN'T MEAN FIGHTIN THEM.... IF ALI KANSO, OR AS3AD 7ARDAN SHOW U A TYPICAL PRO-SYRIANS, THEN F*** THEM, I EVEN HATE THEM.... U EVER SEEN A PARTY MEMBER WHO HATES HIS LEADERSHIP, YEAH TRUST ME, IN SSNP IT HAPPENS....
IF U THINK WE SOLD OUR IDEOLOGY 2 BACHAR L2ASAD, DO U THINK BACHAR L2ASAD ASKED US TO FIGHT ISRAELIS IN 2007 ( I MEAN THE SSNP, SSNP GROUPS WERE FIGHTIN SIDE BY SIDE WITH HIZBULLAH).... I BELEIVE WE HAVE MISTAKES... MAYBE SOMEWAT DEFENDING BACHAR L2ASAD REGIME, MORE THAN IT NEEDS.... BT IF U WANNA WAT SSNP IDEOLOGY DOES, THEN WAIT 4 A SYRIAN-ISRAELI WAR, OR A LEBANESE-ISRAELI WAR.... MAYBE U CAN C A NEW 7ABIB CHARTOUNI, OR NEW SANA2 M7AYDLI.....