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[xcoder]

I was checking an LF website this morning and i was dropped on this thread.
What do you people think about such mentality?

Originally Posted by LebaneseForces

هذا شيء صحيح.
نعم, الجيش اللبناني حارب فتح الإسلام وقضى عليهم ووضع عدد كبير من الشهداء الأبطال, رحمهم الله, ولكن...
قيادة الجيش والبدأ من الجنرال ميشال سليمان: هو يعمل مع سوريا؛ أنظروا إلى مواقفه قبل حل الإحتلال السوري من لبنان وتعرفون. البوم عندما يذهب علناً على التلفاز ليقول بأن سوريا ليس لها يد في فتح الإسلام وبأن القاعدة هي المسؤولة عنهم. هنا نرى عدة ألوان. أولاً, القاعدة تعترف بعناصرها في المغرب, الأردن, أفغانستان, باكستان, العراق, إلخ... فإذا كانت فنح الإسلام قسم من القاعدة, فكان الظواهري أوّل من اعترف بهم.
ثانياً, عقيدة الجيش ككل. ما هي عقيدة الجيش يا ترى؟ عقيدة الجيش هي: إسرائيل هي العدو وسوريا هي الشقيقة. إنها لا تأخذ فيلسوف لاستنتاج ذلك. سوريا حكمت لبنان لمدة ثلاثيين سنة والجيش بني مع الوجود السوري. إنهم نفسهم الذين وضعوا فيادات الجيش في مراكزها. نعرف أن سوريا غادرت لبنان عسكريان, ولكن مخابراتها بقيت وقيادات الجيش اللبناني وقسم من مخابراته تابعة لها.
الحل لهذا بأيدينا كلبنانيين, و كقوات لبنانية.
حتى لو عرفنا بأن قيادات الجيش اللبناني تابعة لسوريا, هذا لا يجعل الجيش اللبناني عدونا. يجب علينا أن ندخل إلى الجيش ونصعد في المراكز ونعيد تأهيل قيادات الجيش واستبدالها بقيادات لبنانية مئة في المئة.
ولكن هنا يبقى السؤال العظيم: هل نحن كقوات مستعدين للدخول إلى الجيش اللبناني؟

[lebanese_a]

They are allowed to ask the questions in the first part of the article, it's no secret to anyone who controlled the army for 15 years ya3neh, bass what I didn't get is the last part. the "so2al 3azim" what do they mean by it?

[Jean]

ما الفرق بين القوات اللبنانية و فتح الإسلام ؟؟

المجموعة الأولى بقيادة السفاح سمير جعجع هي مجموعة ارهابية قتلت الأبرياء و سرقت و نهبت خلال الحرب الأهلية و قتلت ضباط و عناصر الجيش اللبناني .
و المجموعة الثانية بقيادة المجرم شاكر العبسي، هي مجموعة ارهابية ايضاً ، و سرقت و قتلت الأبرياء (تفجيرات عين علق) و سفكت دماء الجيش اللبناني

اذا لا يوجد فرق بين القوات اللبنانية و فتح الإسلام

القوات اللبنانية اليوم هي مجموعة ارهابية تابعة لتيار المال الحرام ، و قائده الصعلوك السعودي سعد الدين الحريري ،
و فتح الإسلام هي مجموعة ارهابية موّلها حوت المال الحريري.

بأي حق يتكلم مجرمو القوات عن الجيش اللبناني بهذه الطريقة ؟؟

و هل يحق للعميل الإسرائيلي الذي زحف لمدة أمام نظام حافظ السد ، أن يتهم الجيش الوطني بالعمالة ؟؟

القوات اللبنانية هي حفنة من الإرهابيين و المجرمين ، قائدهم آلة القتل ، و لا مكان لهم داخل الجيش اللبناني ، لأن بالجيش ما في زعران

[Jean]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

They are allowed to ask the questions in the first part of the article, it's no secret to anyone who controlled the army for 15 years ya3neh, bass what I didn't get is the last part. the "so2al 3azim" what do they mean by it?

سؤالهم العظيم هو أنهم كميليشيا ارهابية ، كيف لهم الإنخراط في الجيش اللبناني ؟؟

هم يدرون انهم اذا انخرطوا داخل الجيش ، لن يستطيعوا تنفيذ أعمالهم الدنيئة ، فهم ليسوا مستعدين للتخلي عن عملهم الميليشيوي بهدف الدخول في صفوف الجيش

[Justin]

The Lebanese army tej rass at5an wahad bi Lebnen w 5assatan el ouwet el lebneniye... if u take the Leb army as a suspicious or a political reason.. then u deserve to be burned in hell... its not u who died fighting Fate7 el Islam, its the army... w halla2 jeyin ye3emlouwon souriyin?

ولكن هنا يبقى السؤال العظيم: هل نحن كقوات مستعدين للدخول إلى الجيش اللبناني؟

Eza ma 3ajbinkon el jesh el lebnene... join the isra2ilian army, u're gd at defending them

eza el jesh el lebnene bi 2albo zo3ran, this means, ur dad, brother, sister, mother zo3ran...

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by John A

سؤالهم العظيم هو أنهم كميليشيا ارهابية ، كيف لهم الإنخراط في الجيش اللبناني ؟؟

هم يدرون انهم اذا انخرطوا داخل الجيش ، لن يستطيعوا تنفيذ أعمالهم الدنيئة ، فهم ليسوا مستعدين للتخلي عن عملهم الميليشيوي بهدف الدخول في صفوف الجيش

That's your interpretation, I want what you think would be their interpretation of this sentence.

w can we please get the link to the article to ask an lfer coz ma fi ktir minone honeh.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by John A

سؤالهم العظيم هو أنهم كميليشيا ارهابية ، كيف لهم الإنخراط في الجيش اللبناني ؟؟

هم يدرون انهم اذا انخرطوا داخل الجيش ، لن يستطيعوا تنفيذ أعمالهم الدنيئة ، فهم ليسوا مستعدين للتخلي عن عملهم الميليشيوي بهدف الدخول في صفوف الجيش

أود ان أضيف ان القوات اللبنانية هي مجموعة من العنصريين المتطرفين ، فهم كالنازيين.

الجيش اللبناني يضم أفراد من جميع الطوائف ، فكيف للقواتيين ، اي "المسيحيين بإمتياز" أن ينخرطوا مع المسلمين ؟؟

هذه المسألة لا يتقبلها العقل القواتي العنصري الطائفي

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

They are allowed to ask the questions in the first part of the article, it's no secret to anyone who controlled the army for 15 years ya3neh, bass what I didn't get is the last part. the "so2al 3azim" what do they mean by it?

The point is that anyone who doesn't obey them is a syrian agent non Lebanese. The Lebanese Army is the only working institution in this country.
Ye3neh if General Sleiman didn't say it's syria then he's syrian, until he says it's syria he will become patriot.
I really feel sick when reading such articles as if they distribute patriotism certificates on people especially the Lebanese Army.
The funny point is that they want to change the mentality of the Lebanese Army that fought syrians, israelis and terrorists and militias and payed the biggest price in all the Lebanese War, internal conflicts and don't stop giving blood and honor to this country. me as a Lebanese citizen feel insulted by such statement of people who are still wondering if they should support the army or not.

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by xcoder

The point is that anyone who doesn't obey them is a syrian agent non Lebanese. The Lebanese Army is the only working institution in this country.
Ye3neh if General Sleiman didn't say it's syria then he's syrian, until he says it's syria he will become patriot.
I really feel sick when reading such articles as if they distribute patriotism certificates on people especially the Lebanese Army.
The funny point is that they want to change the mentality of the Lebanese Army that fought syrians, israelis and terrorists and militias and payed the biggest price in all the Lebanese War, internal conflicts and don't stop giving blood and honor to this country. me as a Lebanese citizen feel insulted by such statement of people who are still wondering if they should support the army or not.

Ana I agree and disagree.
ya3neh, the army is Lebanese? akideh! they payed a heavy price defending Lebanon. Do I like the army command? uno no sara7a! I will always have doubts on a guy that was appointed by the Syrians! Is the army not infiltrated by Syrian agents to the higher ranks? Mbala akideh it is!
This is still the same command that used to catch FPMers for being FPMers! ma tghayaro! w that's the problem with the army. You will tell me bass they also let us have 14 march and other demos, OK! bass remember that the army had a million check point to reach CV on 28 feb! we got in anyways because the men on the ground let us in! the command isn't the one that allowed us to have the demo, it just witnessed the soldiers letting people through! the command ordered 10000 checkpoints the soldiers made the checkpoints useless!

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

Ana I agree and disagree.
ya3neh, the army is Lebanese? akideh! they payed a heavy price defending Lebanon. Do I like the army command? uno no sara7a! I will always have doubts on a guy that was appointed by the Syrians! Is the army not infiltrated by Syrian agents to the higher ranks? Mbala akideh it is!
This is still the same command that used to catch FPMers for being FPMers! ma tghayaro! w that's the problem with the army. You will tell me bass they also let us have 14 march and other demos, OK! bass remember that the army had a million check point to reach CV on 28 feb! we got in anyways because the men on the ground let us in! the command isn't the one that allowed us to have the demo, it just witnessed the soldiers letting people through! the command ordered 10000 checkpoints the soldiers made the checkpoints useless!

You're ignoring the political decision that the Army apply on ground when the Syrians were in Lebanon Syrians had the political decision back then the Army was applying it on ground backed by the same political group we have now.
How do you see the Army behavior since the Syrian withdrawal? and how is it dealing with things?
You can't stop on the demonstrations when the Army tries to do its best to provide our security.
During the demonstrations in Down Town few months ago i was stopped more than 4 times in 1 week and fatashouneh from A to Z and checked my papers... and asked me many questions.
What i can't understand for example is:

2 months before the battles of naher el bared finishes the minister of defense announced the end of the battles for unclear reasons yet but the army fights didn't stop until few weeks ago and the Army payed BIG TIME in these battles.
What i can't get is that the Army leadership is pro syrian and fate7 al islam is pro syrian lol and why that? because the Army chief said that al kaeda is behind fate7 al islam then he's pro syrian and trying to protect syria what a poor logic.