Is Religion Useful?

[Kain]

Salman el Rushdi? Satanic poet? Now you're not criticizing a country you're back to criticizing shari3a. Give me proof that sunna are indirectly being killed, i would like that claim to be asserted with evidence. Since killing sunna is against our shari3a and against khomeyni's views
I know religious wars are coming
And as for the ayas YOU cannot explain them as you see fit, nor can i. That's what the prophet and the 12 imams were for. If you don't want to argue with me using those explanations then it's case closed. We're not going anywhere with this thread.

Well actually both of us won't go anywhere since our beliefs seem to be deeply asserted. But i still believe you've asked all the wrong people man If you knew the sheikhs i know i'm pretty sure your view on things would be different.

[FriendOfZeus]

Originally Posted by athegan

. Wake up dude and just be fair,religion is destructive.

Religion is not destructive, fanatism and extremism are. Now u cant compare the holy regime in iran to the salafists ideology in saudi arabia and afghanistan, they openly declare that killing shi'ites is halal. While khomeyni's teaching's are not of that fanatic nature.
But have u noticed that while iran is following shari3a, the people of other religions are living peacefully in iran, despite the facts that u have sited; they are living way better than they would have in any other spiritually lead country. And thats a fact.
I do believe that religion becomes dangerous and destructive when it opts for the conquest of cultures and other religions, and thats basicly the aim of all religions....still kinda of a blur on that subject.

[FriendOfZeus]

Originally Posted by Kain

As much as i would love to continue this subject, but:

1- Our posts will become off topic
2- Certain members will feel insulted
3- It's controversial.

If we were talking face to face it would be different, but it would take a long time over the internet.

1- We are still talking about religions and God, i dont think its off subject.
2- We arent insulting anyone, we are just discussing what we believe in.
3- The better

[Kain]

1- The thread is about if religion is useful, not what shiite ideology is.
2- No we aren't but since each sect thinks it is the right one then surely the others will feel offended by my posts. I have friends on this forum and i don't want to hurt anyone. In matters this controversial and as sensitive as these i would rather talk to the person face to face and not in public.
3- Yes the better hehehe, but it goes back to 2.

[FriendOfZeus]

1- Well to arrive to the conclusion that sites if religions are usefull, we are bound to break through other major subject since the topic of religions and God are so diverse and versatile.
2-I think that anyone that logs in into a forum comprehends that he gonna have discussion with people from other cultures and beliefs, but if u dont want to offend ur friends then i understand.
3- , i like to have good constructive and civilised conversations, so page me whenever this subject opens up :P.
Peace Kain

[Kain]

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

Kain i am a shiaa and very much religious

From the avatars thread i thought you were religious?

[FriendOfZeus]

religious in a funny kind of way, i do respect islams teaching's and try to follow them, but concerning God's existance....well.....im still at a crossroads on that subject. I know i know ur probably now just cursing urself towards what im saying "how can i follow islam's teaching if i dont even believe in God" its rudiclous i know...bass i just respect and try to follow what islam says towards improving ones life, because i do believe that following those teaching would better my life.

[Kain]

Hehe dude being religious doesn't make me an extremist as long as you respect what i do why should i have a problem with you ?? Certain others show no respect when they're talking to you about religion and or politics, and must be therefore treated just as they treat you !

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Kain

Salman el Rushdi? Satanic poet? Now you're not criticizing a country you're back to criticizing shari3a. Give me proof that sunna are indirectly being killed, i would like that claim to be asserted with evidence. Since killing sunna is against our shari3a and against khomeyni's views
I know religious wars are coming
And as for the ayas YOU cannot explain them as you see fit, nor can i. That's what the prophet and the 12 imams were for. If you don't want to argue with me using those explanations then it's case closed. We're not going anywhere with this thread.

Well actually both of us won't go anywhere since our beliefs seem to be deeply asserted. But i still believe you've asked all the wrong people man If you knew the sheikhs i know i'm pretty sure your view on things would be different.

Are you serious that you need proof that Iran is arming Shiite militias in Iran? Just how politically useful that is for them is enough to be the proof. Besides bombs and weapons manufactured in Iran are being found all the time if you are following the news.Salman Rushdie is not satanic dude, he is just a muslim apostate,like me. Lots of hadith state clearly that an apostate of Islam should be killed, Shiite and Sunni are the same on this subject. So it is a valid move,shari3a wise,for khomayni to order Shiites around the world to kill him.Of course it is barbaric and oppressive according to logic and out civil laws,but those don't matter,do they?. LOL you are happy that two nuclear states are about to clash (Iran and Israel) and that many other might follow (USA, maybe Russia). Oh I forgot,you believe that Imam Mahdi is coming back along with Jesus,that's probably why you are happy.

I was lucky enough to sit and ask one of the greatest shiite minds whom I respect a lot about God's existence. Sayyed Mohammad Hussien Fadlallah. Yet the same arguments which can be refuted in almost any book written by an atheist were presented. Of course I didn't debate back or even say I am an atheist. Of course I did talk to a lot others especially here in the US but he was the brightest I ever met.

But have u noticed that while iran is following shari3a, the people of other religions are living peacefully in iran, despite the facts that u have sited; they are living way better than they would have in any other spiritually lead country.

I agree that Europe in its fanatic era was worse, and that saudi arabia is now worse.Yet that doesn't mean i think the political regime based on religious hierarchy and ideology in Iran is good. The very fact that an atheist( actually anyone who isn't a christian,muslim or jew) can't be a witness in murder is alone disturbing to me. Clear discrimination.Of course you can see at least the probability to where the ideology of Iran might lead the area to. You should compare them to regimes who obviously are more successful in all eras and who are secular. I love to always site Sweden and Denmark. Highly atheistic societies with group economic tendencies and successful on every scale you would weigh them.

[Kain]

Iran arming shiites to kill sunnis ?? That is against islamic law. If you're taking the coran into context then certain ayas descended during times of war. And cannot be applied on times of peace. I want proof Iran is killing sunnis and christians.
As for Saudi Arabia, it is the exact opposite of iran, ideologically speaking.
Wahhabists = Shia are blasphemers and must therefore be killed. ( That is why you can see KSA's role in arming fat7 l islam and other militias in irak)
Khomeyni on the other hand has never written any fatwa to allow the killing of any "non-shiites".