Why do ppl think gays are bad?

[FriendOfZeus]

Im not afraid of them, just ICKIFIED! :P
Theres one point i dont understand, its kind of a huge proposition to undertake...and alot of confusion might arouse....but here it goes.
Kain, if what u said is true and that we should be and act more civilized than animals, then can u explain the occurence of wars, massacres and genocides? Can u explain the unrelenting cycle of war that has come to define human nature and behavior to other than us being simply....Uncivilised.
If we should concider ourselfs to be civilised whilst wars and atrocities are still happening...then in my opinion no one has the right to pronounce the act of Homosexuality as being Uncivilised because it only fulfills ones pleasure and doesnt conclude itself into a fruitfull and beneficial conclusion.

[Kain]

Originally Posted by athegan

Now you have to prove to me, again without supernatural reasons, why homosexuality should be labeled unethical? It doesn't result in children?(by this logic condoms and other contraceptions are unethical)

No one said condoms are unethical. You just interpreted what i said your own way.
Homosexual desires ---> Behaviour that goes against the nature of things ( man + woman ) ---> nothing but pleasure with no positive outcome. Condoms however if used between a man and his wife can not be unethical because they methods to regulate birth control and used for extra protection.

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

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Kain, if what u said is true and that we should be and act more civilized than animals, then can u explain the occurence of wars, massacres and genocides? Can u explain the unrelenting cycle of war that has come to define human nature and behavior to other than us being simply....Uncivilised.
If we should concider ourselfs to be civilised whilst wars and atrocities are still happening...then in my opinion no one has the right to pronounce the act of Homosexuality as being Uncivilised because it only fulfills ones pleasure and doesnt conclude itself into a fruitfull and beneficial conclusion.

Being civilized may simply go back to our free will and our intelligence. Points of view involving Wars are relative. Everyone thinks their doing the right thing.
Definition of " civilized ": 1. To raise from barbarism to an enlightened stage of development; bring out of a primitive or savage state. 2.To educate in matters of culture and refinement; make more polished or sophisticated.
Barbarism is:
Noun
1. An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity. 2. a. The use of words, forms, or expressions considered incorrect or unacceptable. b. A specific word, form, or expression so used.

Wars can however have " uncivilized " behaviour. Abu ghreib, senseless slaughter of the unarmed. Etc.

I hope i didn't miss any point.

[FriendOfZeus]

Originally Posted by Kain

Being civilized may simply go back to our free will and our intelligence. Points of view involving Wars are relative. Everyone thinks their doing the right thing.
Definition of " civilized ": 1. To raise from barbarism to an enlightened stage of development; bring out of a primitive or savage state. 2.To educate in matters of culture and refinement; make more polished or sophisticated.
Barbarism is:
Noun
1. An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity. 2. a. The use of words, forms, or expressions considered incorrect or unacceptable. b. A specific word, form, or expression so used.

Wars can however have " uncivilized " behaviour. Abu ghreib, senseless slaughter of the unarmed. Etc.

I hope i didn't miss any point.

Aha and this is what i want to point out. That barbarism and uncivilised behavior are equivalent to wars and genocides. Since wars bring out our most primal instincts; those of survival.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Kain

No one said condoms are unethical. You just interpreted what i said your own way.
Homosexual desires ---> Behaviour that goes against the nature of things ( man + woman ) ---> nothing but pleasure with no positive outcome. Condoms however if used between a man and his wife can not be unethical because they methods to regulate birth control and used for extra protection.

Kain, For GOD's sake what are you doing

What kinda cyclic argument is that,against the nature of things? We just said that it is the nature of things that some members of every species happen to be gay,why? I dunno and scientists still don't,might be some gene or something else,further studies will find out anyway... Once and for all,take one of two routes; either prove it is unnatural( you can't for what I just mentioned) or as I said prove that despite of being natural, for some reason it should be labeled unethical.(without saying it is unnatural)


Peace

[Kain]

I clearly stated that my idea of the nature of things is Man + Woman. Not Man + Man. Even animals who conduct sexual activities with members of the same sex do it also with the females of the species: They're bisexual . That's my idea of the nature of things

Your idea is simply different

[wewe]

gays r more than bad
they're sick people
look , i', not very "moutadayin"........but accepting gays??// that's a "khat a7mar " loool
i go nuts when i hear people saying :" y do'nt accept gays , we're in 2007??
so what , religion does'nt change with time
and everything against christianity i am against

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Kain

I clearly stated that my idea of the nature of things is Man + Woman. Not Man + Man. Even animals who conduct sexual activities with members of the same sex do it also with the females of the species: They're bisexual . That's my idea of the nature of things


Your idea is simply different

Just for the record, some male animals never have sex with female animals. It is not "your" idea and "my" idea, they have been observed and studied by different Zoologists around the world.

so what , religion does'nt change with time
and everything against christianity i am against

Awesome....a fundamentalist,it must be my good day

Go stone some "adulterers" or burn some villages as the old testament tells you....lol and yeah sacrifice some animals, burn a bull (Leviticus 1:9)...sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7).....or you yourself buy a slave from India (Leviticus 25:44)....and finally my personal favorite, go kill some of those who work on Sabbath Day(Exodus 35:2).....

Check the bible you never carefully read my Morally Superior Righteous Christian friend