A Palestinian mosque with Israeili colors?///

[TAREK®]

Discuting things are very known in Isreal history I dont think they can surprise us with there actions anymore

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

HOW ABOUT SYRIA OR SAUDIA INVADING LEBANON AND ESTABLASHING A NEW COUNTRY INSTEAD OF LEBANON , THEN ONE DAY A LEBANESE CHURCH AND A LEBANESE MOSQUE PAINTS THE COULOUR OF THE FLAG OF THIS NEW COUNTRY ON THEIR DOMES AND WALLS!!??!!!?!?!!
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LOL really? Who invaded first of all? Israel as a country didn;t start with an invasion...anyway that is off point. Yes residents of one village in the new established country integrated into the society of the new country and adopted everything about its ppl, I won't be surprised if that happens...

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by athegan

LOL really? Who invaded first of all? Israel as a country didn;t start with an invasion...anyway that is off point. Yes residents of one village in the new established country integrated into the society of the new country and adopted everything about its ppl, I won't be surprised if that happens...

REALLY ? the jews started by buying lands , then with the help of the britich , started to grow more n more , then they made the Huge transfer and the massacares , bringing more than 2 million jews to palastine , and declared the country of israel , i feel like ur sided with them , ill tell u another example...
if syria or saudia took the same measures like the jews >> LOL really? Who invaded first of all? syria\saudia as a country didn;t start with an invasion...anyway that is off point.

[MARX ®]

For me as a lebanese, i dont allow wala ma5loo2 ino to invade me, la israel wala syria wala saudia, wala any other coutries, and iza someone paints a mosque with any country's colors, ana be3tebro a traitor, w he lezem yin3adam, cz its a 5iyana 3ozma, w iza they like to paint, why dont they paint the flag of palestine, in order to keep in mind that the holy land of palestine is for muslims and christians together, and its not at all for jews. since it was the homeland of Jesus Christ, and it has something of "laylat al 2israa" with muhammad (forgive me, bas i dont know abt that thing kteer, cz manne feyet bl religion)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kain

I was waiting for Adam to take over this one Still am...

You guys should remember that israelis are ZIONISTS

Putting those israeli colors on that mosque is accepting all the things that Zionism has done and promoted.

Ya3ne noss msibe law keno shi jewish colors...it wouldn't have made that much of a fuss ya3ne

We often hear of christians praying with muslims....muslims praying with christians...Jews praying with both... it's normal

But to have palestinians above all accepting Zionism and including it in their religious ritual in such a way sickens me.

Well, it all comes down to as who they are, if they are doing it as Muslims or as Palestinians.

If they are doing this as Muslims: As you said, people from different religions pray along each other in order to strengthen a friendship or to better relationships. But in this case it wasn't a star of David they put on the mosque, it was the colors of Israels flag. Which would mean that they are making a tribute to Israel, you will have to compare it to a mosque painting the colors of the Lebanese flag on it(They are showing where their loyalty lies). So them painting the Israeli flag on the mosque is kind of OK(I use the term loosely). Also: Since Israel is a Jewish state there would be a little contradiction with a religion other than Judaism supporting that state.

If they are doing it as Palestinians: That would mean that they have surrendered to the Israeli occupation, which in my view wouldn't be OK at all.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Adam

Well, it all comes down to as who they are, if they are doing it as Muslims or as Palestinians.

If they are doing this as Muslims: As you said, people from different religions pray along each other in order to strengthen a friendship or to better relationships. But in this case it wasn't a star of David they put on the mosque, it was the colors of Israels flag. Which would mean that they are making a tribute to Israel, you will have to compare it to a mosque painting the colors of the Lebanese flag on it(They are showing where their loyalty lies). So them painting the Israeli flag on the mosque is kind of OK(I use the term loosely). Also: Since Israel is a Jewish state there would be a little contradiction with a religion other than Judaism supporting that state.

If they are doing it as Palestinians: That would mean that they have surrendered to the Israeli occupation, which in my view wouldn't be OK at all.

Very nice analysis of the situation, thank you. But I want to ask you about the part in bold. Galilee, where the village is in, is part of the Israeli lands of 1948. Now I don't know how Arabic you wanna be, but all Arabic countries and their conventions (which include Lebanon and Syria) agree that what is considered to be occupation is what Israel overtook after the 1967 and thus only demand that Israel withdraws to her borders post-1967. United Nations goes by the same standard. So basically what the world, including all the arabic world, conceive Galilee as, is part of a legitimate country called Israel. That was the first point. Second point is, the arabic community that live in 1948 Israel is fully integrated with the Jewish community. They vote, they pay taxes and they get benefits. They are polled in opinion polls and they are counted as Israeli citizens. After all I think no one, be it Lebanese or Palestinian, has done as much to this community as Azmi Bichara and he is a member (former member) of the Knesset.

So building on the two points, these ppl have agreed to be Israeli citizens and the blue and white colors are the colors of their flag. Now wa7ad e3ed be lebnen ekher hammo , can sit and sound smart about what should be Palestine and what shouldn't be but that doesn't matter. What matters are the people of the country who chose to put the colors of THEIR flag on their place of worship....

I will not salute them for nothing but their realism....but I think what they've done is expected and nothing to be frowned upon....

Peace

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by athegan

Very nice analysis of the situation, thank you. But I want to ask you about the part in bold. Galilee, where the village is in, is part of the Israeli lands of 1948. Now I don't know how Arabic you wanna be, but all Arabic countries and their conventions (which include Lebanon and Syria) agree that what is considered to be occupation is what Israel overtook after the 1967 and thus only demand that Israel withdraws to her borders post-1967. United Nations goes by the same standard. So basically what the world, including all the arabic world, conceive Galilee as, is part of a legitimate country called Israel. That was the first point. Second point is, the arabic community that live in 1948 Israel is fully integrated with the Jewish community. They vote, they pay taxes and they get benefits. They are polled in opinion polls and they are counted as Israeli citizens. After all I think no one, be it Lebanese or Palestinian, has done as much to this community as Azmi Bichara and he is a member (former member) of the Knesset.

So building on the two points, these ppl have agreed to be Israeli citizens and the blue and white colors are the colors of their flag. Now wa7ad e3ed be lebnen ekher hammo , can sit and sound smart about what should be Palestine and what shouldn't be but that doesn't matter. What matters are the people of the country who chose to put the colors of THEIR flag on their place of worship....

I will not salute them for nothing but their realism....but I think what they've done is expected and nothing to be frowned upon....

Peace

if syria\saudia comes and do the same as the israelis , and after 50 years of occupation for lebanon , some lebanese village do the same and paint the flag of the saudia or syria on its dome would u be happy like now??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by athegan

Very nice analysis of the situation, thank you. But I want to ask you about the part in bold. Galilee, where the village is in, is part of the Israeli lands of 1948. Now I don't know how Arabic you wanna be, but all Arabic countries and their conventions (which include Lebanon and Syria) agree that what is considered to be occupation is what Israel overtook after the 1967 and thus only demand that Israel withdraws to her borders post-1967. United Nations goes by the same standard. So basically what the world, including all the arabic world, conceive Galilee as, is part of a legitimate country called Israel. That was the first point. Second point is, the arabic community that live in 1948 Israel is fully integrated with the Jewish community. They vote, they pay taxes and they get benefits. They are polled in opinion polls and they are counted as Israeli citizens. After all I think no one, be it Lebanese or Palestinian, has done as much to this community as Azmi Bichara and he is a member (former member) of the Knesset.

So building on the two points, these ppl have agreed to be Israeli citizens and the blue and white colors are the colors of their flag. Now wa7ad e3ed be lebnen ekher hammo , can sit and sound smart about what should be Palestine and what shouldn't be but that doesn't matter. What matters are the people of the country who chose to put the colors of THEIR flag on their place of worship....

I will not salute them for nothing but their realism....but I think what they've done is expected and nothing to be frowned upon....

Peace

Well it's like I said, if they are doing it as Israeli Muslims then there is little controversy, I won't see any difference between them and the rest of the Israelis, it's their choice to make, if they see Israel as their country then they fall under the category Israeli-Muslims. However, if they are from Palestinian origin and they accept Israel as their country, then I will accept their choice but I won't respect it. They have surrendered, and that is something I don't respect.

P.S: Compare that situation to a Lebanese accepting Israel as his country during the 2006 war. I would see him as a traitor.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

if syria\saudia comes and do the same as the israelis , and after 50 years of occupation for lebanon , some lebanese village do the same and paint the flag of the saudia or syria on its dome would u be happy like now??

All the explanation ra7 3al fade did you even read my post, the one u replied to ? eza after 60 years the whole world and my people and I have agreed that it is not an occupation in the case of Galilee, then yes it is expected. I can't put myself in the same place because the Israel/Palestine issue is a very special one that goes back thousands of years where the Syria Saudi thing doesn't have the same nature.....FOR the last time, 1948 Arabs are Israeli and they want to be so....

Originally Posted by Adam

Well it's like I said, if they are doing it as Israeli Muslims then there is little controversy, I won't see any difference between them and the rest of the Israelis, it's their choice to make, if they see Israel as their country then they fall under the category Israeli-Muslims. However, if they are from Palestinian origin and they accept Israel as their country, then I will accept their choice but I won't respect it. They have surrendered, and that is something I don't respect.

P.S: Compare that situation to a Lebanese accepting Israel as his country during the 2006 war. I would see him as a traitor.

They are from Palestinian origins just like I, for example, am from a Saudi origin. But you won't find someone who dislikes Saudis or their country as much as I do. Remember borders and countries are manmade and thats why they are not that powefull of meaning to individuals. For this case, 1948 muslims (a.k.a Arab Israel) are no Israeli's from a different ethnic background and who still adhere to a religion different from the one the majority of Israel's citizens adhere to (Judaism)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by athegan

Remember borders and countries are manmade and thats why they are not that powefull of meaning to individuals

What you said here explains to me a lot about your stand on this issue. These man made borders often mean the world to most people. I'd sacrifice all I have to see the Lebanese borders back the way they should be, I'm sure the majority of those on this forum fell the same.