Obama VS. MCcain

[Choukou]

Now it's down to two who do u guys support or let me say not support but prefer one on another I know u are going to say tnaynetoun 2adrab min ba3ed! we know nothing is going to change with their policy towards israel because it's always Israel fiirst for them whether they are Democrat or republicans!! but this is not what I'm looking for as an answer from u I would like to know why do u prefer Obama over MCCain or the other way!!

I prefer Obama because first he is against the war and didn't vote for it!! not like MCcain who said I have no problems staying a 100 years in iraq!! and second because Obama is the only one who i see that can help the Economy and the American people like (health care,Education....)

So ur Opinion?!

[TAREK®]

Very good thread

to be honest I always though McCain is the crazy women in this elections so I will go with Obama

[Adam]

The main issue that concerns me is of course their foreign policy, they have both stated that they support Israel, but there has to be one of the two that will do Israel less good than the other.

McCain has the same mentality as Bush, "Either you're with us or against us" and "let us all kiss Israels Ass", that would mean that no change will happen to us.

Obama has stated that he does support Israel, but he also wants to make a particular change in the U.S, he wants to remove political Lobbies. That would be a blow to Israel, since AIPAC(American-Israel Public Affairs Committee), an Israeli lobby, is the main cause of "Israeli Support" in the U.S.

Now that wouldn't mean that Americans would stop supporting Israel, but they will be able to criticize Israel through media(AIPAC members control most of the American TV-stations).

[Jess]

Poll is added please vote

Thank you!

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[MARX ®]

Didnt vote...

for a simple reason...
which is that ino anyone who might be a president would simply be as Bush is if not worse, and I believe that Non of the US citicens has the right to vote freely, since all thing is handled by the Israeli Lobby...

One example is Bill Clinton, we all remember he was agaist arabs and was totally with israel when he was president,
after he finished his job, he turned 180 degree, and I remember very well that he was accusing Israel for crimes and massacres....

Another thing is the assacination of John Kennedy, he was killed by the Israeli Lobby just because he wasnt a protestant, he was a catholic....

[mr_j]

I won't vote either, Obama, Mc Cain, Hilary. they are only different in faces, if their policy wasn't supportive for israel they wouldn't have been able to run in the first place

I prefer Obama because first he is against the war and didn't vote for it!! not like MCcain who said I have no problems staying a 100 years in iraq!!

at least Mc Cain was honest about saying what he thought, the iraq issue is being exploited to no end in this election, the people want out, so all the candidates are promising to withdraw, some say in a year others say in 6 month. but I really don't believe them, it will be highly unlikely that the US will simply withdraw from iraq in a 1 year period after spending all that money on the war, plus decisions like that are beyond the president, the president is the one that stands in the front region and declares the decisions but there is alot going on behind that.

edit:have you been reading the things Obama was saying about the middle east struggles?
he once commented on the situation in palestine by saying:"as a father I can appreciate how horrible the citizens of Sderot must be feeling because of all those rockets"(something like that, I lost the exact quote) but you know he has no problem with the fact that palestinians children are dying everyday with rockets and diseases.
he also says he will not negotiate iran and that HA and hamas are terrorist organisations. he is declaring wars before becoming president!

[Choukou]

Originally Posted by mr_j

I won't vote either, Obama, Mc Cain, Hilary. they are only different in faces, if their policy wasn't supportive for israel they wouldn't have been able to run in the first place



at least Mc Cain was honest about saying what he thought, the iraq issue is being exploited to no end in this election, the people want out, so all the candidates are promising to withdraw, some say in a year others say in 6 month. but I really don't believe them, it will be highly unlikely that the US will simply withdraw from iraq in a 1 year period after spending all that money on the war, plus decisions like that are beyond the president, the president is the one that stands in the front region and declares the decisions but there is alot going on behind that.

edit:have you been reading the things Obama was saying about the middle east struggles?
he once commented on the situation in palestine by saying:"as a father I can appreciate how horrible the citizens of Sderot must be feeling because of all those rockets"(something like that, I lost the exact quote) but you know he has no problem with the fact that palestinians children are dying everyday with rockets and diseases.
he also says he will not negotiate iran and that HA and hamas are terrorist organisations. he is declaring wars before becoming president!

i agreed with u in everything until the last point naza3ta ur last point is wrong cause Obama said we should negotiate with Iran and have some dialog to try and find a solution, that's why the Republicans start attacking him saying how come are u going to sit with terrorist and bla bla bla.

[mr_j]

Originally Posted by Nadzzz

i agreed with u in everything until the last point naza3ta ur last point is wrong cause Obama said we should negotiate with Iran and have some dialog to try and find a solution, that's why the Republicans start attacking him saying how come are u going to sit with terrorist and bla bla bla.

I remember reading both kinds of statement from him, see, about 4 month ago I visited his campaign site and he was saying that HA and hamas are defending their country, so I said "praise the lord someone gets it" but then he started changing his mind gradualy. I can't really argue you on this one I might have been wrong.
but one thing is certain, they are all kissing israel's... you know

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by The King Of Dabke

Very good thread

to be honest I always though McCain is the crazy women in this elections so I will go with Obama

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool man, McCain is a male loool.
i think you meant hilary clinton :P

McCain


Clinton

[MARX ®]

Originally Posted by mr_j

I won't vote either, Obama, Mc Cain, Hilary. they are only different in faces, if their policy wasn't supportive for israel they wouldn't have
been able to run in the first place

Thats totally true, and this leads us to clearly announce that all the US states are ruled by Israel...
Think of it, its totally mbayyne, why would USA invade Iraq?
To have oil? thats wrong, The gulf countries all can support USA with tons of oil gallons
The only thing that motivated USA to invade Iraq is to accomplish a historical "nubou2a" which says that (according to jews) :
When the Whole ISRAELI state is returned back to the Jews, the REAL JESUS Christ will appear. But, this must be accomplished in 77 years starting from the date State of Israel is declared(1948).....

All presidents of the US belong to the zionists, which is a sect of christians bas ma 5asson bi christianity