Lebanon and Isreal = Peace?

[MARX ®]

Originally Posted by ZeRaw

Dear Marx, what you are pointing to makes no sense.
The objective is always to live. If you tell anyone that Israel might want peace but their intention is to rule, then that person will tell you huzballah wants peace in lebanon but its intention is to have an islamic country. War about intentions is always bad.
Facts are that Israel is doing its best interest and it is to let us fight, promote peace but work on something else. We are all aware of that. But when peace is really the object we have to consider it. A country can never disapear, check the palestenians, israel tried to make them disapear, guess what it didnt work and we are talking about the billions of dollars spent by jews. So if we learn anything from raging wars is that peace is the answer but it is the hardest to do because people have to be more or less ready for that. Unless i am mistaken The 2000 martyrs that died, died for Lebanon, so doing the best interest of Lebanon should come first, not destroying another country.

For me, I believe that the best way to solve a problem, is to eliminate its causes

Problem: Israeli attacks on lebanon and it civilans, and tries to occupy its lands.

I think we all agree on this problem

Causes: Here there are many causes concernng it:
1. Israel wants to capture major lebanese rivers because it has few amount of water for its citizens

2. Israel is willing to end hezboullah, so its security is preserved

3.(which I believe) Israel is building the historical state: From Nile To Furat Rivers, and thats why israel occupied sina2 and was willing to reach egypt, and thats also what bush is doing by occupying Iraq.

Solution: The best solution for the problem is to get rid of its causes

so to preserve the security of lebanon, we cant always defend, we must attack someday in the future... and dont forget that islams must get their Quds back ..... So we got to end the Israeli state, not to sign ant peace treaty with them...

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by ZeRaW

Dear Marx, what you are pointing to makes no sense.
The objective is always to live. If you tell anyone that Israel might want peace but their intention is to rule, then that person will tell you huzballah wants peace in lebanon but its intention is to have an islamic country. War about intentions is always bad.
Facts are that Israel is doing its best interest and it is to let us fight, promote peace but work on something else. We are all aware of that. But when peace is really the object we have to consider it. A country can never disapear, check the palestenians, israel tried to make them disapear, guess what it didnt work and we are talking about the billions of dollars spent by jews. So if we learn anything from raging wars is that peace is the answer but it is the hardest to do because people have to be more or less ready for that. Unless i am mistaken The 2000 martyrs that died, died for Lebanon, so doing the best interest of Lebanon should come first, not destroying another country.

ok I agree with everythin u said but there is one little problem:

Isreal IS NOT A COUNTRY

Isreal is yet another USA project made by USA to get rid of the jewish people in theire country thats it, there is nothin called Dawlat Isreal, I dont believe in Dawlat Isreal but I do believe in Kiyan Isreal and there is big difference

[xcoder]

Peace will have place on the long run, i support real peace not the type of Egypt or Jordan or of course the Syrian. They tried to apply this strategy in Lebanon for the past 30 years such as: withdraw the Israeli occupation in exchange of peace but that didn't and won't happen, and Lebanese have proven it.
But of course i am with peace in the whole middle east also with full condemnation of the Israeli massacres/terror against Lebanon and Lebanese by the international community...

[TAREK®]

"يديعوت": أولمرت سيطلب من ساركوزي مساعدته لمفاوضة السنيورة مباشرة

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[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by HizbullaH

Hezbollah's Weapon Will Always Stay As Long As Israel Exists!

I don't think so.
Hezbollah's weapons must be delivered to the Lebanese Army after the realization of these 3 conditions:

• Liberating all the Lebanese land and getting our Rights back (water, true sovereignty and independance).
• Getting back the Lebanese detainees in Israel.
• Puting a national defensive strategy.

delivering the weapons will be the result of the third point, either Hezbollah will be a branch in the Lebanese Army and under its power or something else which will be agreed on by the majority of the Lebanese people.

but saying that Hezbollah's weapons will always stay as long as Israel exists is something unacceptable. no one should hold weapons except the Lebanese Army when he is ready to defend the country.

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

I don't think so.
Hezbollah's weapons must be delivered to the Lebanese Army after the realization of these 3 conditions:

• Liberating all the Lebanese land and getting our Rights back (water, true sovereignty and independance).
• Getting back the Lebanese detainees in Israel.
• Puting a national defensive strategy.

delivering the weapons will be the result of the third point, either Hezbollah will be a branch in the Lebanese Army and under its power or something else which will be agreed on by the majority of the Lebanese people.

but saying that Hezbollah's weapons will always stay as long as Israel exists is something unacceptable. no one should hold weapons except the Lebanese Army when he is ready to defend the country.

I disagree, man do u really think Sanyoura and co will let HA enter the army? w do u think that after we get our prisoners and our lands back 5alas it will be over? man they will wait the minute that HA give theire arms tehy will attack ma fik tousa2 bi isra2ileh

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by King Of Kings

I disagree, man do u really think Sanyoura and co will let HA enter the army? w do u think that after we get our prisoners and our lands back 5alas it will be over? man they will wait the minute that HA give theire arms tehy will attack ma fik tousa2 bi isra2ileh

Man we're not talking about the coming few days, it's a long term process.
when that happens the opposition will be ruling.
When all the points meghwar mentioned are available that the "defense strategy" that was agreed on in the MOU between FPM and HA and mentioned in president Michel Suleiman's presidential statement will be agreed on and built.
Even SHN said it "Our weapon will not remain forever".

[HizbullaH]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

I don't think so.
Hezbollah's weapons must be delivered to the Lebanese Army after the realization of these 3 conditions:

• Liberating all the Lebanese land and getting our Rights back (water, true sovereignty and independance).
• Getting back the Lebanese detainees in Israel.
• Puting a national defensive strategy.

delivering the weapons will be the result of the third point, either Hezbollah will be a branch in the Lebanese Army and under its power or something else which will be agreed on by the majority of the Lebanese people.

but saying that Hezbollah's weapons will always stay as long as Israel exists is something unacceptable. no one should hold weapons except the Lebanese Army when he is ready to defend the country.

Well You Put Three Conditions And These Conditions You Put Will Not Be Applied As Long As Israel Exists ( Akid Will Be Applied Only By Resistance )
So As I Said, Hezbollah's Weapon Will Always Stay As Long As Israel Exists!

It Is An Equation

[fara7]

I believe we all want the best interest of Lebanon ...
and u ve been fighting over this subject for quite a while now .. yet none of u has changed his mind!.

do u really believe that olmert is serious about his proposal?!!
1. israel is too proud to go into 7iwar w mo7adaset salem ma3na -the country [not only the resistance] that defeated them in a bit more than 30 days ....
2. lhadaf min hal 2iqtira7 2i3leme .. mish aktar ... ya3ne ta ybayen inno l2isra2eele mist3ed yitnezal ...
if we say no ... minkoun 3am "n3arqil" lsalem bil manta2a
w if we say yes .... we wont get anywhere with them ....
the only thing we get from that is : yitsajal biteri5na inno safa7na l2isra2eele w inno rdeena bi fikret lsalem ma3o ...

to come to peace with israel:

this means that we forget about the ppl who were killed over the past 50 years .. lmajezer ballashit bil jnoub even before the civil war or their entering our lands officially w 3askariyan [w i m not mentioning palestine and the palestinians cuz it seems some of u couldnt care less about them]
i m not talking about the martyrs who chose this death as a sacrifice ... w tad7iye ghalye for their country ...
but about the ppl who died when they were safely sleeping in their homes or working in their lands ... how can we forget abt those who died bil "ghader" 3ala 2aydi jesh lmafroud inno 3am y2atel jesh aw resistance mish mowateneen 3ozzal .. aw 2emnin bi byouton .. haydol lly ma lezim ninsehon w nsemi7 bi shahediton .. lly ma kenit bi araar minnon [.. atfaal w 3ajaza ..]

w iza jeena la shrout lsalem : who is the stronger party here???
Lebanon the country or israel "lkayen lghaseb " .. so as not to call it a country cuz it s not .....
it s israel lmad3oume min kil dowal l3alam ...
w lly 2adra tofrod shrouta 3layna .. wen l7doud w meen 3al 7doud w 3adad 3anaser ljeish lmasmou7 fee 3al 7doud w ayya no3 sle7 there w yimkin kamen meen lly masmou7lo yiskon 3al 7doud !!!!
w lmuy min 7a2 meen?
w meen fee yfout 3al balad w meen la2 ... balke biseer do5oul ay 2irane aw 3iraqe baddo mowefa2et israel bil awwal !

i cant imagine the day when israeli ppl will sit in our dt and smoke argile ... or visit 2al3et lsh2eef 3ala inna min ma3alem libnen lly hinne keno 3amlin fiya mawqi3!
this days shall never come!

kabbaret this post :P .. so i wont talk about our resistance here .. maybe in some later post or something :P

[-t-o-n-y-]

this should be done only when we have a good army and dawlke 2awye wich i doubt that we'll have those conditions.... and when the resistance give its weapons to the army when the objectives are completed ( mazeri3 sshb3a ...........) and of course when they find out a solution for the palestinians in the lebanese territories...
but i just wanted to talk about this

...this means that we forget about the ppl who were killed over the past 50 years .. lmajezer ballashit bil jnoub even before the civil war or their entering our lands officially w 3askariyan...

well i don't agree with this and if this thinking should be applied then all nations should have war with the germans for example cuz when hitler was the governour he made a lot of majezir and stuff and there's a lot of more examples and we can see that now france and germany are in peace even thought they were in a big war and even worst then the one we are having with israel ( enno ka majezir w hek).....