Olmert promises lebanon if lebanon turns into a hezbollah state

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

Thank you, KoK


They are not, they are maronite mostly

YAAAAA اللهم لا تؤاخذنا على ما فعل السفهاء منَّا يا ربَّ العالمين

In ways yeah, in others you are different....In many other ways, you or actually the ppl you are defending, are worse in the ways they implement their hypocrisy and the ways they enforce and impose their ideas....3iish


Lah ya KoK lah


A while ago I was at nabe3 l *** , the place where Naher l *** starts. Well there at that place there are many places (estera7at), where you sit and have an argile and eat and stuff. Anyway, some friends and me proceed to do what we always used to do before I left this "country" three years ago; and that is we put some music at a volume barely high enough for us to listen and we play cards, 3a rawa2 . Apparently, we are told five minutes later, that since the place is surrounded with places where HA militants stay at most times, we are not allowed neither to put music nor to play cards. We are asked to either stop playing cards and stop the music or leave the place because the owner "ma baddo mashekel ma3 l shabeb". Ofcourse, he, and we as well, was wise enough to know that there is no need to talk to them about the concepts of "Private property". The word is that of power and money, they have both the power and the money. So if the basic knowledge of knowing that someone is playing cards there is annoying to them, they will impose their will on the visitors there even if they have no right to. As Ziad says, "7ada bye7ke ma3 reshesh?"....we left the place, never to go there again, another piece of occupied land .

Today I am in da7yeh. Every 10 meters you see an "endebat" person who, God knows what qualifies him, is trying to put people "into order". He, never a she , stands there excercising his self-imposing unquestioned authority on people who never expressed in any manner their will to adhere to that authority.

I can talk for hours and hours, but as Imam Ali (A.S) said, "ما ناقشت جاهلاً إلا وغلبني". You either want to see, or not, that they have abused every power and imitated the worst models of occupation. They daily try to veer the mental zeitgast to where things suit them, by money, by power, by whatever they see fit.


This stuff is political and I have answered in other threads on every point of the one mentioned. You got ur government, stop whining. You got your hostages and soon will get all the land, maybe then, you will really stop whining? But who is humane enough to give up the abused power he now possesses? Do people with real standards still exist or is the world , as I see it, full of hypocrite monsters running after power and money?

bi rabak min elo 5ele2 ye2ra kel hol?

yeah we got the goverment but after what ? after we took it by force, we got our prisoners after what? we got them by force, we were Never after power, if that was the case HA wouldnt have made a deal with FPM u know that HA isnt after power, iza saret el ossa bel power HA wouldnt have left Beirouth when they took control of it

5ayeh leh 3am te7keh ka2ano HA's only objective is to make Lebanon a shiite country?

u know what? Kain is right talking to u is like running around a circle ma ra7 ousal la 7al ma3ak u will stick with ur opignion w I will stick with mine no need to write an article coz I know I wont be able to change ur mind

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by King Of Kings

bi rabak min elo 5ele2 ye2ra kel hol?

yeah we got the goverment but after what ? after we took it by force, we got our prisoners after what? we got them by force, we were Never after power, if that was the case HA wouldnt have made a deal with FPM u know that HA isnt after power, iza saret el ossa bel power HA wouldnt have left Beirouth when they took control of it

5ayeh leh 3am te7keh ka2ano HA's only objective is to make Lebanon a shiite country?

u know what? Kain is right talking to u is like running around a circle ma ra7 ousal la 7al ma3ak u will stick with ur opignion w I will stick with mine no need to write an article coz I know I wont be able to change ur mind

Where is your opinion in the two incidents I mentioned? Where is your explanation on how they fit into the definition of a resistance ?

I can be very easily convinced if I am answered to my satisfaction, and the member you referred to especially knows that since he knows I have changed my mind on things way more critical than things as small as......a militia.

[majousseh]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

Where is your opinion in the two incidents I mentioned? Where is your explanation on how they fit into the definition of a resistance ?

I can be very easily convinced if I am answered to my satisfaction, and the member you referred to especially knows that since he knows I have changed my mind on things way more critical than things as small as......a militia.

ما ناقشت جاهلاً؟
يا عيني إن كان الجهل والمعرفة أمران نسبيان ،و خدنا عقد عقلنا، فهل بتنا عمي ومنقطعين عن الواقع ؟؟؟؟؟؟
أنا إبن الجنوب، ومش إبن مبارح على فكرة، أين هو هذا المكان الذي يمنع فيه حزب الله الموسيقى؟ وبالغصب عن صاحب الإستراحة؟ أنا مستعد أن انظم دعوة لكل شباب وصبايا المنتدى، لسهرة على الليطاني في الجنوب، مع شرب بيرة للي بدو، وإذا حدا اجة وحكينا غلط، يا خيي شرشحنا.
أما إذا كان صاحب الإستراحة اللتي تكلمت عنها هو غير راغب بما كنتم تقومون به، فهو حر .
من يسمعك يظن أن حزب الله حول أماكن تواجده إلى قندهار، وهذا الكلام، بالتعبير الدبلوماسي، غير دقيق.

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by King Of Kings

...we were Never after power, if that was the case HA wouldnt have made a deal with FPM ...

This One Is Illogical, Hitler Allied Himself With The Russians While He Was In A War Against The Allies, And Later On He Declared War On Russia... Where's The Logic In What You Say?

Anyways, I'm Not Against Hizbullah, But I Hate To See Illogical Ideas.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by majousseh

ما ناقشت جاهلاً؟
يا عيني إن كان الجهل والمعرفة أمران نسبيان ،و خدنا عقد عقلنا، فهل بتنا عمي ومنقطعين عن الواقع ؟؟؟؟؟؟
أنا إبن الجنوب، ومش إبن مبارح على فكرة، أين هو هذا المكان الذي يمنع فيه حزب الله الموسيقى؟ وبالغصب عن صاحب الإستراحة؟ أنا مستعد أن انظم دعوة لكل شباب وصبايا المنتدى، لسهرة على الليطاني في الجنوب، مع شرب بيرة للي بدو، وإذا حدا اجة وحكينا غلط، يا خيي شرشحنا.
أما إذا كان صاحب الإستراحة اللتي تكلمت عنها هو غير راغب بما كنتم تقومون به، فهو حر .
من يسمعك يظن أن حزب الله حول أماكن تواجده إلى قندهار، وهذا الكلام، بالتعبير الدبلوماسي، غير دقيق.

IF I am to tell u the place, I might subject myself to being known if you are to ask about the incident. As for the owner of the Estera7a, He, or She, themselves used to allow all that and still in private convos with them express their dislike of what HA is doing to them...in much more loving words than mine tho.

I won't say why would I lie or whatever. You have every right to think I am making stuff up although I am not. But being traced back is much more unwanted to me than being called a liar in some forum. That being said, u can ask and if u really are an HA member I am sure that u can know without me giving any extra info. The place is in the south, in eklim l teffe7, thats the closest I am taking ur hand.

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

Thank you, KoK


They are not, they are maronite mostly

YAAAAA اللهم لا تؤاخذنا على ما فعل السفهاء منَّا يا ربَّ العالمين

In ways yeah, in others you are different....In many other ways, you or actually the ppl you are defending, are worse in the ways they implement their hypocrisy and the ways they enforce and impose their ideas....3iish


Lah ya KoK lah


A while ago I was at nabe3 l *** , the place where Naher l *** starts. Well there at that place there are many places (estera7at), where you sit and have an argile and eat and stuff. Anyway, some friends and me proceed to do what we always used to do before I left this "country" three years ago; and that is we put some music at a volume barely high enough for us to listen and we play cards, 3a rawa2 . Apparently, we are told five minutes later, that since the place is surrounded with places where HA militants stay at most times, we are not allowed neither to put music nor to play cards. We are asked to either stop playing cards and stop the music or leave the place because the owner "ma baddo mashekel ma3 l shabeb". Ofcourse, he, and we as well, was wise enough to know that there is no need to talk to them about the concepts of "Private property". The word is that of power and money, they have both the power and the money. So if the basic knowledge of knowing that someone is playing cards there is annoying to them, they will impose their will on the visitors there even if they have no right to. As Ziad says, "7ada bye7ke ma3 reshesh?"....we left the place, never to go there again, another piece of occupied land .

Today I am in da7yeh. Every 10 meters you see an "endebat" person who, God knows what qualifies him, is trying to put people "into order". He, never a she , stands there excercising his self-imposing unquestioned authority on people who never expressed in any manner their will to adhere to that authority.

I can talk for hours and hours, but as Imam Ali (A.S) said, "ما ناقشت جاهلاً إلا وغلبني". You either want to see, or not, that they have abused every power and imitated the worst models of occupation. They daily try to veer the mental zeitgast to where things suit them, by money, by power, by whatever they see fit.


This stuff is political and I have answered in other threads on every point of the one mentioned. You got ur government, stop whining. You got your hostages and soon will get all the land, maybe then, you will really stop whining? But who is humane enough to give up the abused power he now possesses? Do people with real standards still exist or is the world , as I see it, full of hypocrite monsters running after power and money?

ur talking about ha as if they were some foregin militia who came and occupied the lebanese lands , G.w. Bush thinking , im not surprised , btw i never had such an accident like urs , and no one tht i know , and i also doubt tht ha asked u to stop doin wat were u doin , maybe fm yeh , maybe the owner is lying , yeh , here theres a supermarket , with an ha center in an apartment above it , people can do watever they want , they can curse , they can play cards , they can do wtever they want , ha members dznt stop them , altough they have the absolute right to do so . so ur accident is very unreliable .

[ZeRaW]

From what I read, this means, IF HA attacks Israel then Isreal will attack lebanon which is logical. I mean IF HA starts a war then of course Isreal will start one. So i do not see where is the point of debate?

[Gilgamesh]

Systa...Like xcoder, I smiled when I read ur thread

No they are not foreign ppl, they are like all humans and all Lebanese, ppl with power and money and who are abusing both.

The incident is 100% true with all its details and if I could I would tell u more incidents that happened in my village and one that is nearby where I have some friends. As I said, I can't mention more info, but ur word "they all absolute right to do so" is enough for me to see why no one stops them to where there limits should be.

Your rights stop where the rights off others start. If playing cards hurts the eyes of their militants around the specified place, or if weddings (another example I wish I could give all the details around) annoy them, it is their eyes and ears that are the problem. Both were happening on private property and in reasonable times during the day. Nobody expresses rage over their announcements or festivals. Personally I live in Da7yeh and all their audio propaganda all day pisses me off, but I understand that I can't act within the limits of law to stop them, all I can say is "allah la yseme7on" and "allah 3al zalem"

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by ZeRaW

From what I read, this means, IF HA attacks Israel then Isreal will attack lebanon which is logical. I mean IF HA starts a war then of course Isreal will start one. So i do not see where is the point of debate?

HA can't see this logic...here is how they see it....

Moghneyye was killed and sheb3a is still occupied....

1- Moghneyye was one of their leading figures ==> They choose the time,place and method of response regardless of what might follow. They believe it is their right to respond, no matter what follows, they won't feel any guilt because for the revenge of their leading member, the Lebanese ppl should be willing to endure.

2- Sheb3a is still occupied which gives them the right to use all available methods to liberate it (HERE WE AGREE except for "all methods"). They however hold the timing of carrying any of the methods solely within their hands, and again we have to endure their choice of method or timing especially if those turned out tactically wrong like in the last war.

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

HA can't see this logic...here is how they see it....

Moghneyye was killed and sheb3a is still occupied....

1- Moghneyye was one of their leading figures ==> They choose the time,place and method of response regardless of what might follow. They believe it is their right to respond, no matter what follows, they won't feel any guilt because for the revenge of their leading member, the Lebanese ppl should be willing to endure.

2- Sheb3a is still occupied which gives them the right to use all available methods to liberate it (HERE WE AGREE except for "all methods"). They however hold the timing of carrying any of the methods solely within their hands, and again we have to endure their choice of method or timing especially if those turned out tactically wrong like in the last war.

so lemme get this straight: lama HA ye5etfo 2 soldiers its ok for Israel to bomb us, and beat the crap out of us, and kill our women, men and children but if they kill someone from usits ok and we musnt respond? shu hal mante2 ?