Abortion

[Jess]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Tony, i totally second what you said but should be more detailed in such thing. Because abortion in middle or late stages is killing a real life, a real child. And it's not up to us to decide or predict their future.

guys what i need to say is what about the women who have casual sex without concern of pregnancy, because they know they can get an abortion ????????????!!!! chou l dene seybe???

Originally Posted by xcoder

Fortunately it's not the case in early stages, otherwise masturbation or safe sex could be considered as crimes as well.

The problem with that description of death is that people are considered alive even when brain activity stops...
Whether a fetus or a grown person are they not the same being?
Abortion kills that being.

Concerning the masturbation thingy, i belive life starts at conception,With masturbation and the menstral cycle, there is no conception

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

i don't think abortion is a crime like most of you said.....i think that abortion should be done when necessary (if the child has some sort of 2i3aka or the mother or parents don't want it etc etc etc) because 1st lets say the parents doesn't want the baby or the girl has been raped the child has a big percentage not to be educated and "thrown" in the streets and this can raise the level of crimes drugs etc etc etc.......2nd if the child has some sort of " 2i3aka jasadye " and the parents are sure he can't heal....so why let him live a hard and painful life and becuz it's not mental he'll be "we3e" that his not normal....

i already said before : If the woman doesn't want the baby there are other options.... adoption is a possibility...
I don't understand how killing a life can be better for a family

[abousoun]

Concerning the stages of abortion and all the talk about it's okey to make abortion in the first or middle or late stage of pregnancy w hal 5abriyyet ... i just want to say that after 20 weeks of pregnancy, loosing the baby isn't called abortion anymore ... (medically pregnancy is measured by weeks only)

Concerning the social, economical, behavioral factors (parents can't afford, unresponsible parents, teenagers,etc...),... none of these should be a cause of abortion ... because at some point you'll be like promoting unsafe sex and prostitution ... and on the long run, you'll be seeing gynecologists working on abortions more than deliveries to make a living ... and medical students learning how to make abortions rather deliveries

Concerning the rape ... eno the girt was a victim ... should the baby becomes one as well ? eno i didn't get the point behind legalization of abortion in case of rape ... la medically wala religiously 7atta ethically it's forbidden ... there are many different ways to deal with such cases other than abortion ...

Religiously speaking, i'll talk about islam if I may (even in islam there is controversies between shiites and sunnites and among each group individually) ... but the overall general concept about this topic ranges from being bad to highly forbidden (i won't enter in how much days each party says) ...
shiites says it's forbidden from the first day of conception to make abortion ... unless there is a medical opinion which says that a life is being in danger if this pregnancy continues ... gheir heik abortion is forbidden

Thank You ...

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by Jess

guys what i need to say is what about the women who have casual sex without concern of pregnancy, because they know they can get an abortion ????????????!!!! chou l dene seybe???

no l dene mch seybe .....if they don't have concern of pregnancy they surely have concern of aids and things like this.....so if there's pregnancy from casual sex it will be made by mistake (the pregnany was a result of a "mistake")

Originally Posted by Jess

i already said before : If the woman doesn't want the baby there are other options.... adoption is a possibility...
I don't understand how killing a life can be better for a family

yeah adoption is a possibility and abortion is also one.....the life ur killing isn't concious yet and u can save this life ur talking about from a miserable life!!!

[Jess]

Originally Posted by abousoun

Concerning the stages of abortion and all the talk about it's okey to make abortion in the first or middle or late stage of pregnancy w hal 5abriyyet ... i just want to say that after 20 weeks of pregnancy, loosing the baby isn't called abortion anymore ... (medically pregnancy is measured by weeks only)

Concerning the social, economical, behavioral factors (parents can't afford, unresponsible parents, teenagers,etc...),... none of these should be a cause of abortion ... because at some point you'll be like promoting unsafe sex and prostitution ... and on the long run, you'll be seeing gynecologists working on abortions more than deliveries to make a living ... and medical students learning how to make abortions rather deliveries

Concerning the rape ... eno the girt was a victim ... should the baby becomes one as well ? eno i didn't get the point behind legalization of abortion in case of rape ... la medically wala religiously 7atta ethically it's forbidden ... there are many different ways to deal with such cases other than abortion ...

Religiously speaking, i'll talk about islam if I may (even in islam there is controversies between shiites and sunnites and among each group individually) ... but the overall general concept about this topic ranges from being bad to highly forbidden (i won't enter in how much days each party says) ...
shiites says it's forbidden from the first day of conception to make abortion ... unless there is a medical opinion which says that a life is being in danger if this pregnancy continues ... gheir heik abortion is forbidden

Thank You ...

(b khsous awal part )However this doesn’t mean that it is okay to perform abortion because killing the physical body of the fetus can also be considered as killing the unborn baby because no one (except God) can kill the soul anyways.

I truly feel sorry for a woman that has to go thru that but I have known women to be raped,get pregnant,and go thru with the birth.The kid was the best thing that happened.They learned to love this kid.So why do women think it's ok to kill even though they were raped

i agree wiz u hassoun concerning l 2nd part ( social....) For any other personal selfish reasons abortions are absolutely forbidden.w like i said in my previous reply : promoting the unsafe sex laan fi l abortion

I don't see how anyone could want to kill something that is in fact alive ya 3amme ma32oul ???

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

no l dene mch seybe .....if they don't have concern of pregnancy they surely have concern of aids and things like this.....so if there's pregnancy from casual sex it will be made by mistake (the pregnany was a result of a "mistake")

yeah adoption is a possibility and abortion is also one.....the life ur killing isn't concious yet and u can save this life ur talking about from a miserable life!!!

Mistake eh???? damn ! pregnant by mistake yeah right!
Mbala akid l dene seybe iza kl we7de wanna make an abortion for her lil baby!

adoption is a good possibility but abortion is a wrong one!
God is not pleased when you end a chilld's life

Abortion is murder because it prevents a human to get born!!!!!!!!! walaw

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by Jess

(b khsous awal part )However this doesn’t mean that it is okay to perform abortion because killing the physical body of the fetus can also be considered as killing the unborn baby because no one (except God) can kill the soul anyways.

yeah even after 20 weeks, the woman shouldn't think of loosing the baby 7atta law battal esma abortion, because it's too dangerous for her medically, w forbidden religiously as well ... i was just commenting on the terminology

Thank You ...

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by Jess

Mistake eh???? damn ! pregnant by mistake yeah right!
Mbala akid l dene seybe iza kl we7de wanna make an abortion for her lil baby!

adoption is a good possibility but abortion is a wrong one!
God is not pleased when you end a chilld's life

Abortion is murder because it prevents a human to get born!!!!!!!!! walaw

- for the mistake part plz reread my previous post......

- red part: i'm not gonna enter a debate about religious stuff but i have to reply to this sentence.....and if the person doesn't believe in god...should he also follow ur "rules"?

-blue part: we're not getting anywhere u just keep repeating urself and the answers are already mentioned in my previous posts! i told u and if the women doesn't want to go through pregnancy!? and the whole pregnancy was a mistake(i explained this in my previous post) ....since the fetus isn't conscious yet yeah abortion is a solution......

[Jess]

the one who said that abortion is not a crime have no respect for the sanctity of human life themselves.

The abortion issue is all about the rights of the unborn babies. The rights that to so many don’t exist!

the abortion is an issue that will never ever be resolved