What comes first? your country or your sect ?

[El-Meghwar]

Since we are living under a backward sectarian regime that merges God with our daily living and political issues,
I just wanted to know how many among us consider that their country comes first before his/her sect. I won't say religious view or Religion because Religion is something spiritual which is so far away from this disgusting sectarian regime in Lebanon.

So what comes first ? Lebanon or your sect (Druzes,Shiites,Maronites, Sunnites etc...) ? and why ?

[sha3be]

my country first ... because sect. means nothing for me ..
and i dont want to get any service from my sect .. i want my rights from my country ..

[TAREK®]

man u are comparing 2 things that have nothing to do with each others....

fi wejbet dinyeh w fi wejbet watanyeh dont mix them


to me they are both important, bass akid rida Allah ahama shi eleh

[keke]

well my country & my religion have nthn 2 do with each other
my relationship 2 God is the most important but its private & no 1 has z right 2 interfere in it
but i have obligations towards my country that rise above all & there s nthn in my religion that prevents me from putting my country 1st
dats why i chose country
w im sayin religion nt sect coz sect dsnt exist 2 me

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

man u are comparing 2 things that have nothing to do with each others....

fi wejbet dinyeh w fi wejbet watanyeh dont mix them


to me they are both important, bass akid rida Allah ahama shi eleh

Unfortunately in Lebanon Religion is mixed with politics by something called "consensual democracy" where every sect has its share in the power!

And Jumblat's latest speech is the best example for it, he classified people by their sects, he builds his political stances based on something he calls the interests and the best of the Druze community, that's what i am talking about. someone building his policies in a way that benefits his sect 7atta law 3a 7sseb watano.
Unfortunately every sect leader in Lebanon has the same speech.

That's why i don't consider Lebanon a country, because people are loyal to their sect not to their country, they are loyal to the head of the sect (a feudal leader most of the time) and they die for him not for their country.

Every Lebanese should be loyal to his country first and last, Religion is just a personal view or opinion and people should not be classified as their sect but as their citizenship, and the political regime should not be related to a certain religion or some religious views because they have nothing in common.

Politics is politics, and political regimes should be civil ones, Religion is just a personal relation between someone and his God, some people doesn't believe in God, why don't we give them their share in our disgusting political regime ?

I don't know if someday we will bypass this old sick mentality, till then i am ashamed of being classified as a certain "sect", i am just Lebanese, and no one has something to do with my own personal religious views !!

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Unfortunately in Lebanon Religion is mixed with politics by something called "consensual democracy" where every sect has its share in the power!

And Jumblat's latest speech is the best example for it, he classified people by their sects, he builds his political stances based on something he calls the interests and the best of the Druze community, that's what i am talking about. someone building his policies in a way that benefits his sect 7atta law 3a 7sseb watano.
Unfortunately every sect leader in Lebanon has the same speech.

That's why i don't consider Lebanon a country, because people are loyal to their sect not to their country, they are loyal to the head of the sect (a feudal leader most of the time) and they die for him not for their country.

Every Lebanese should be loyal to his country first and last, Religion is just a personal view or opinion and people should not be classified as their sect but as their citizenship, and the political regime should not be related to a certain religion or some religious views because they have nothing in common.

Politics is politics, and political regimes should be civil ones, Religion is just a personal relation between someone and his God, some people doesn't believe in God, why don't we give them their share in our disgusting political regime ?

I don't know if someday we will bypass this old sick mentality, till then i am ashamed of being classified as a certain "sect", i am just Lebanese, and no one has something to do with my own personal religious views !!

man u are wiser than this even if I do agree with u

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

And Jumblat's latest speech

u built a theory based on Jumblat's speech ? ino c'mon man hayda kel li bado yeh yezra3 fetneh mazhabyeh bel balad

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

man u are wiser than this even if I do agree with u

What do you mean ??

u built a theory based on Jumblat's speech ? ino c'mon man hayda kel li bado yeh yezra3 fetneh mazhabyeh bel balad

Man i built nothing, Jumblat is an example, the fact is that people in Lebanon are classified as their sect :
President of the republic: Maronite.
Prime minister: Sunnites.
Parliament Speaker: Shiite.
Parlimant: 50-50
Consensual democracy: if a certain sect is not in the power: kherbet l deyneh despite of if the BOSS of that sect was a criminal, Thief, Corrupt... he's the representative of the sect he should be in the power, that's called " A Disgusting Regime ", " A country ruled by gangsters ".

Those are facts
read well what i am talking about before replying.

[Novak]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Unfortunately in Lebanon Religion is mixed with politics by something called "consensual democracy" where every sect has its share in the power!

Thumb up for this saying.

It obvious that some majority of the Lebanese take religion as shield to protect themselves and to keep positions of power.
If they stand a moment and forget that we have 18 tayfe and that we are all Lebanese living in a country, sharing the same problems that affect us no matter where we live; when the right person is assigned to the position where he can do some good changes; when we stop saying "Yiiii, hayda mich menna!!???"; when we get enough courage to eliminate that little BUG that many hide behind, that we know it is the cause of our retardness, that we enjoy it even thought we know it hurts; Then and only then the Lebanon that every philosopher and writer talked about will became a dream that is coming true.

I am afraid that we wake up one day and realize that we lost a diamond while we were busy collecting stones...

[7akim]

for sure my country is the most important

but the existence of my country is based on the existence of my religion / sect

my belonging to my country is based on the belonging to my sect first

[Choukou]

for sure my country!! without thinking twice!!