Damn, We are so small!

[Neoxter]

[Tawa]

This Is So Interesting.

And I Speak On Behalf Of All My Atheist Fellows In Here: سبحان الخالق

[Neoxter]

And I dedicate this thread to them

[mr_j]

which is easier to believe?
1) a God existed for an eternity of time and just one day decided to create these billions of planets without any meaning or purpose and he kicked adam out of heaven because he ate a dumb apple and sent satan to an eternity in hell because he refused a dumb order (to bow in front of adam) and in some magical illogical way, he saved humanity by having jesus crucified(I mean what is the link here between the apple and the cross) and he wants people to love him and follow him but he refuses to show himself to people instead he leaves us with books that are centuries old each book contradicting and refuting the other, uncertain of who wrote them and under what conditions and how honest was the writer.

2) a big chunk of energy and particles existed and eventualy exploded, probability of life as we know it despite being infinetly low and almost inexistent, it became a reality because of the infinite number of galaxies and planets

[Los Blancos]

Originally Posted by mr_j

which is easier to believe?
1) a God existed for an eternity of time and just one day decided to create these billions of planets without any meaning or purpose and he kicked adam out of heaven because he ate a dumb apple and sent satan to an eternity in hell because he refused a dumb order (to bow in front of adam) and in some magical illogical way, he saved humanity by having jesus crucified(I mean what is the link here between the apple and the cross) and he wants people to love him and follow him but he refuses to show himself to people instead he leaves us with books that are centuries old each book contradicting and refuting the other, uncertain of who wrote them and under what conditions and how honest was the writer.

2) a big chunk of energy and particles existed and eventualy exploded, probability of life as we know it despite being infinetly low and almost inexistent, it became a reality because of the infinite number of galaxies and planets

Well, I'll speak on the same wave you're speaking in .

Although this is not why you should beleive in God, but it's better, because if you don't and there turns out to be a God in the end, you're in BIG trouble buddy .

[mr_j]

Although this is not why you should beleive in God, but it's better, because if you don't and there turns out to be a God in the end, you're in BIG trouble buddy

I am a man of principle

do you want to love and believe in God because he created you and made you or just out of fear of hell?

[Los Blancos]

Originally Posted by mr_j

I am a man of principle

do you want to love and believe in God because he created you and made you or just out of fear of hell?

Now you want to tell me this whole organized till the very smallest detail world existed because two particles ****ed each other ? Or I don't know what other crap theories are also out there ?

Look at how this world is extremely organized. Our DNA, Cells, Body Organs, Brain, Heart, etc .. Look at how they all function in a harmonic way.

Look at the Earth, the other Planets, the Galaxies, the Stars, the Sun, etc ..

Look at how animals (even the smallest of them) have a function to keep life going on, and can satisfy their needs.

Look at the Water, and its millions of functions.

Look at our brain, our bodies, the DNA, our cells, the earth, the other planets, the galaxy, the stars, the sun, how animals survive, look at how everything is extremely organized, there definitely is a creator and a designer before all of this.

I can give you millions of other examples.

God didn't threaten us with hell, nor did he arouse this fear in us. The Human Being ignited such a fear in himself because of the sins he commits.

Just like the ant has a brain that only satisfies it to understand it's own surroundings, and nothing about the human race, etc .. The Human Being has a brain to understand his own surrounding also, and nothing about God, how he came, where he came from, etc ..

This world has a creator, a designer, it didn't come from a particle by mistake.

[mr_j]

Now you want to tell me this whole organized till the very smallest detail world existed because two particles ****ed each other ? Or I don't know what other crap theories are also out there ?

a theory is a reality, there is noting called crap theory
the big bang happened and evolution happened

a theory is called theory because you can't actual see it happen
example of a theory: the theory of gravity
no one actualy saw an object fall down until it reached the center of the earth, this is why it is called theory, but that doesn't mean that we are not all atracted to the center of the earth

the theory of relativity, no one actualy saw a mass turn into energy, but that doesn't mean that it does not happen

the problem between religion and science is mainly the belief in probability and chance. religion does not believe in chance

example on chance: 950 people die each year from tafic accidents in lebanon, and each year we have 1000 deadly accident(the numbers are from my head) now in this example, 50 people have a deadly accident and they live(5% of the statistics) now if someone we both know has an accident and lives, you as a religious man are going to say" l7amdella alla najjek" God has chosen to let him live, while I will say he is one of the lucky 5 %

earth is one out of trillions and trillions of planets, if the chance of life existing was 0.0000000000000000000000001% then our existence could be simply chance

edit: about the fear of hell and wanting heaven thingy

of course it is the reason people believe in God, you might not realise it but it's true

you love your father at home, and you love your brother yet you reserve the right to disagree with them on some occasions, you might disobey your father if he asks you to bring him his shoes and you might disobey him if he asks you not to use the phone because you believe that wat he asks does not suit you and does not make sense

but when it comes to God that you cannot see or feel, no matter how absurd the demands are(no sex outside of marriage, why? no one gets hurt if I have sex with my girlfriend! ) church every sunday(spend an hour a week for the rest of your life repeating the same exact stuff that people have been repeating for...2000 years, same for muslims on fridays) fast for 40 days every day(although it is bad for the health)

but you wouldn't disagree, that's not love, that's slavery, and it's not normal, you're expecting something out of it

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mr_j

but you wouldn't disagree, that's not love

It's true that it can be seen as slavery but slavery is only a taboo when one being owns an other being whose value is equal to himself. A creator owning his creation, which is lesser than him, isn't slavery in the same sense as slavery is understood in general.

Example:
You create a smart computer who has the ability to develop on its own. No matter how you boss it around it wouldn't be slavery because you are more valuable and it's far lesser than you. You are a thinking self aware human being and it's a machine following simple commands. However if it develops it's own free will, you will be equal to it and then, your treatment to it is considered slavery.

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by Los Blancos

Although this is not why you should beleive in God, but it's better, because if you don't and there turns out to be a God in the end, you're in BIG trouble buddy .

What Kind Of Religious Bullsh** Is That?

Why Should You Be In BIG Trouble If God Loves You In The First Place?
Isn't This What They Taught You While You Were Young? That God Loves Us All Equally?
They Didn't Raise You To Fear God, And The BIG Trouble You Might Get If You Don't Believe In Him, Did They?

Anyways, What You Mentioned Is Today Known As Pascal's Wager.

You Don't Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven, If What Religions Says Is True.
If There's A God, And You Live A Peaceful Life, Without Hurting Other People And Doing Bad Things I Think He Might Let You Get Into Heaven.

I Can't Help It But To Quote George Carlin:

Originally Posted by George Carlin

...Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you....

You Can Watch It Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWjs3diATjQ

Originally Posted by Los Blancos

This world has a creator, a designer, it didn't come from a particle by mistake.

Of Course There's A Creator, Nothing Exists Without A Creator.
But The Creator Of Our Universe In My Opinion Is Not The God That Religions Made Us Believe In.