Ramadan

[H@SSàN]

العلامة فضل الله: عيد الفطر المبارك يوم الاحد في 20 ايلول الجاري

[Kain]

Originally Posted by MARX ®

SMHF is a special case of maraji3!
he bases everything on scientific cliues and evidences, nd I agree that he's the most accurate person.... while other maraji3 are playing a game of domination (iza hek fina nsammeeha) plus cant u see that everyone is against SMHF? w 2awwal 3alam henne jame3it Al Khamin2i, just because he got different views concerning somethings!

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edit:
this is the moon phases table according to nasa:


Year New Moon First Quarter Full Moon Last Quarter ΔT


2009

Jan 4 11:56 Jan 11 03:27 Jan 18 02:46 00h01m
Jan 26 07:55 A Feb 2 23:13 Feb 9 14:49 n Feb 16 21:37
Feb 25 01:35 Mar 4 07:46 Mar 11 02:38 Mar 18 17:47
Mar 26 16:06 Apr 2 14:34 Apr 9 14:56 Apr 17 13:36
Apr 25 03:23 May 1 20:44 May 9 04:01 May 17 07:26
May 24 12:11 May 31 03:22 Jun 7 18:12 Jun 15 22:15
Jun 22 19:35 Jun 29 11:28 Jul 7 09:21 n Jul 15 09:53
Jul 22 02:35 T Jul 28 22:00 Aug 6 00:55 n Aug 13 18:55
Aug 20 10:01 Aug 27 11:42 Sep 4 16:03 Sep 12 02:16
Sep 18 18:44 Sep 26 04:50 Oct 4 06:10 Oct 11 08:56
Oct 18 05:33 Oct 26 00:42 Nov 2 19:14 Nov 9 15:56
Nov 16 19:14 Nov 24 21:39 Dec 2 07:30 Dec 9 00:13
Dec 16 12:02 Dec 24 17:36 Dec 31 19:13 p

so August 20 was the last day of Shaaban, thus making 21 the first day of Ramadan

and, September 18 is the Last Day of ramadan, making the Eid in sep 19!

source

Do you even know what the other maraji3 base their observation on??

Sayyed Ali Khamenei for example says that you need to actually see the moon...bas to be detailed he says that certain technology may be used to determine when it will be a full moon. Astrological predictions may be wrong and the actual proof can only be determined by sight (while using those technologies). hay 1

2- Sayyed Ali sistani says that you also need to see the moon with your very eye... and that is because every location on earth may see the moon from a different angle and that goes back to the fraction of light that is refracted on that very same location, that changes with countries that have large masses of water bordering them or if you're in a continental country. which is why 2 different locations in the world may not see a full moon on the same night. Ya3ne lebanon and mongolia may not see the moon on the same night.

3- Sayyed Mohamad Hussein says that if a certain location in the world that if you're in honolulu for example ( 7 time zone difference), and there is a full moon then it can be announced that it is actually a full moon or that the full moon will appear in lebanon. Which is why his calculations and NASA's are ALMOST always the same. Since we're in different time zones and locations and all so sometimes different results may occur.

Your nasa calculations are meaningless when used to disprove other maraje3 since each time zone or area on earth may see the full moon and the other may not. It has to do with each area w its particularities.

Men ekhera: tla3oule menna la 2osset : l sayyed m7ammad hussein deyman ma3o 7a2...to each his own opinion and they can all be right on their own accord because they use different scientific methods of determining when the moon will appear.

THAT'S WHY YOU FOLLOW THE MARJA3 WHICH YOU ARE CONVINCED IS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE

Final note to Marx: Get the facts straight 3an l maraje3 before you start talking w 7aj tbal3it bel 7ake.

[Kain]

Originally Posted by MARX

so August 20 was the last day of Shaaban, thus making 21 the first day of Ramadan

and, September 18 is the Last Day of ramadan, making the Eid in sep 19!

Originally Posted by HaSSàN-87

العلامة فضل الله: عيد الفطر المبارك يوم الاحد في 20 ايلول الجاري

2 interesting things just happened

1- either baddak teskot w t2ool l sayed mohammad hussein ghaltan

2- Aw baddak te2teni3 eno kell marja3 3endo 2ane3to w his own scientific analysis of things. They know they're not living in the stone age and they know what knowledge and technology to make use of.

P.S: i'm not saying that Sayyed Mohammad Hussein is wrong.... but i just wanted to prove a point here.

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by Adam

As opposed to the "Miladi" calender which is a solar calender ,the Hijri calender is a lunar calender. There is nothing wrong with it

Originally Posted by Black_ice

Failure how exactly ?
Just as miladi is a specific duration,so is hijri they're just different(lunar and solar)
I don't see anything wrong with that
And you can't just go around naming miladi months like hijri months because you feel like it.
You can't just decide that march is equivalent to the month of ramadan for example.Certian hijri months have special attributes to them which means they cannot be moved around as one pleases
Religion doesn't say stay like a stone but it doesn't say khabbis 3a zaw2ak
How should we fix the hijri system please do tell me
And what do you mean fix ramadan in winter ?

Miladi has a 0.25 day error , which is fixed every 4 years in 29 feb .
higri has a 10 days error! can we like fix it every 3 years in a month?? or what??!inno ramadan this year in the summer , in 15 years its in winter, is that normal?? you were born in 15 ramadan in the summer, after 20 years you celebrate it in the winter .
al hussein was killed in 10 mo7aram , it was in the summer , now we relive the event in the winter!

[Kain]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Miladi has a 0.25 day error , which is fixed every 4 years in 29 feb .
higri has a 10 days error! can we like fix it every 3 years in a month?? or what??!inno ramadan this year in the summer , in 15 years its in winter, is that normal?? you were born in 15 ramadan in the summer, after 20 years you celebrate it in the winter .
al hussein was killed in 10 mo7aram , it was in the summer , now we relive the event in the winter!

La2 bas 3anjad ennak zake...

It doesn't have a 10 day error!!! it has a 10 day difference with the miladi calendar!!! That is not an error!!! THAT IS A DIFFERENCE
The hijri calendar and miladi calendar are 2 different calendars!!!!

Edit: ya3ne one depends on the moon!! w the other on the earth's rotation around the sun

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by Kain

La2 bas 3anjad ennak zake...

It doesn't have a 10 day error!!! it has a 10 day difference with the miladi calendar!!! That is not an error!!! THAT IS A DIFFERENCE
The hijri calendar and miladi calendar are 2 different calendars!!!!

Edit: ya3ne one depends on the moon!! w the other on the earth's rotation around the sun

then it has a 10.25 days error , explain to me , why is the miladi calendar stable and not moving backwards every year?

[Kain]

Originally Posted by systamatics

then it has a 10.25 days error , explain to me , why is the miladi calendar stable and not moving backwards every year?

BeCAUsE IT DEPENDS ON THE EARTH'S ROTATION AROUND THE SUN!!

You insist on telling me that an apple is wrong because it's not an orange

There is no such thing as a wrong apple!! it's a totally different thing than an orange!!!!

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by Kain

BeCAUsE IT DEPENDS ON THE EARTH'S ROTATION AROUND THE SUN!!

Then b ra2yak , which is more right?? a calendar that is stable , or a one that goes backward each years 10 days?

[Kain]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Then b ra2yak , which is more right?? a calendar that is stable , or a one that goes backward each years 10 days?

Ma khas right aw wrong.

they're 2 different things that depend on 2 different criteria.

get a clue already

I can see why Tawa answers you the way he does

l3amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wlooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[Neoxter]

LOL dude it has no 0.25 day error, the sun takes 365.25 days to make a complete rotation about the sun - this is a scientific fact.

It is logical that people made the year 365 days, because if the year was 365 days sharp, at the completion of the the 365 days, u will have 4 hours. what will u do with those :P ? u can't neglect them cuz they'll change the time when sun rises and when it sets and when seasons start, etc. so the best idea was to make the year 365 days and make a "leap year" that comes after four normal years having 366 days to compensate the missing 0.25 days from each year.

you are not stable :P