Does God Exist?

[KeXasthur]

Originally Posted by abousoun

Sorry for replying to this post even if it wasn't addressed to me ...
but I would like to comment on something ... it's not that easy to simplify things and to just say a non believer will go to hell and a believer most probably is going to heaven ... (aslan a non-believer wouldn't care)

let's say there are certain tribes bi adghal el Amazon :P and they are disconnected from this world and they don't know anything about God ... per definition they are non-believers ... Do you think they'll be judged the same way as someone for example like you ?

Believers and Non-believers have scales and God said in his holy book :
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
لا تزر وازرة وزرة اخرى
صدق الله العظيم

It's a complicated issue that can never be simplified that way

Thank You ...

A Non-believer will go to hell. Why is religion valid then ? and more importantly HOW is it valid then ? Moreover, what do you mean a non-believer wouldn't care ? If he doesn't care , that doesn't mean he is out of the "Heaven and Hell" equation !!! It doesn't mean he has a privilege! He has to face his fate just like the believers according to religion.


Second of all, I agree that this stretches to include other aspects of life like the African kids or people in general who are searching for food and don't have the slightest tendency to think about religion and all, or about small kids who have not had the ability to decide their religion , etc etc or very simply all the people that preceded Christ for example, what was their stance where did they go in the end ? The point is not what you understood it. The point is the "ADVANTAGE". It's not the most accurate term but it's the closest my English can come up with. One simple example, If little children all go to heaven it would be "unfair advantage", since they didn't grow up to make a stance. If they all go to hell it's the same. The point is even if I want to hand in "free will" is really granted, even if I wanted to do that, it cannot be practiced in those situations which means judgments become totally futile.

[SysTaMatIcS]

yep , it makes perfect sense , with all my respect , atheists are idiots.

[mr_j]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

yep , it makes perfect sense , with all my respect , atheists are idiots.

theism is the same
except there was nothing and then God came out of nothing and exploded stuff and created stuff, for no reason
you think God needs you? what could you possibly do to him? the all powerful all knowing and all capable
so your existence would still be meaningless even in his existence

and that makes magicaly more sense?
God was sitting doing nothing for an eternity of time before creation, and one day he said"I am tired of doing nothing, lets create stuff and poke them with a stick
and here we are


I can't debate if God exists or not, because no one will give a definite answer to that
but I can debate that all the religions that exist till now are only human made, they work by threatning people with what they say comes after death
most religions, from acient greeks, to christianity to islam, what do they have in common? heaven and hell
you follow teachings that make absolutly no sense, and what is written you will follow blindly, even if they ask you to...to... wash your face with mud every morning. and why? because of fear, fear of hell, fear of the unknown
you think you love God, but you really don't, yu can't love what you don't see, especialy if it is possible that it does not exist(between christianity, islam, judaism, and acient greeks, one of them is wrong at least right?) but what really exists is fear. that is the truth

you'd think that an all powerful all knowing God would understand an individual's position to drink beer in the world cup or not to wear a veil in a public school in the US or if I fall in love with a girl and we slept together
but apparently no, for an all knowing all powerful and all wise his rules seem very rigid, close minded and steryotyped


edit:I forgot what my vote was when I first voted, it was either a yes or a I don't know

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by mr_j

edit:I forgot what my vote was when I first voted, it was either a yes or a I don't know

The result shown in Italic is your vote choice.

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

with all my respect , you are idiots.

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Those are too much I know, they're just simple ideas I'd like you to think about

[mr_j]

The result shown in Italic is your vote choice.

darwin and sigmund freud changed me

[KeXasthur]

Recently I read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. It's a very good book to recommend to people who want to debate about religion but you're bored of it yourself. It pretty much sums everything and a lot of points you as a human wondered about concerning the existence of God but couldn't put it into scientific and organized terms, are present in it.

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by KeXasthur

Recently I read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. It's a very good book to recommend to people who want to debate about religion but you're bored of it yourself. It pretty much sums everything and a lot of points you as a human wondered about concerning the existence of God but couldn't put it into scientific and organized terms, are present in it.

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof - Christopher Hitchens

[Google]

Q: Does God exists?
A: That's an easy question. Have you ever read the Summa Theologica ?

Read:

The Argument of the Unmoved Mover

The argument of the unmoved mover, or ex motu, tries to explain that God must be the cause of motion in the universe. It is therefore a form of the cosmological argument. It goes thus:

• Some things are moved.
• Everything that is moving is moved by a mover.
• An infinite regress of movers is impossible.
• Therefore, there is an unmoved mover from whom all motion proceeds.
• This mover is what we call God.

The Argument of the First Cause

The argument of the first cause (ex causa), tries, unlike the argument of the Unmoved Mover, to prove that God must have been the cause, or the creator of the universe. It is therefore another form of the cosmological argument. It goes thus:

• Some things are caused.
• Everything that is caused is caused by something else.
• An infinite regress of causation is impossible.
• Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause of all that is caused.
• This causer is what we call God.

The Argument from Contingency

The argument from contingency (ex contingentia):

• Many things in the universe may either exist or not exist. Such things are called contingent beings.
• It is impossible for everything in the universe to be contingent, for then there would be a time when nothing existed, and so nothing would exist now, since there would be nothing to bring anything into existence, which is clearly false.
• Therefore, there must be a necessary being whose existence is not contingent on any other being or beings.
• This being is whom we call God.

The Argument from Degree

The argument from degree or gradation (ex gradu). It is heavily based upon the teachings of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. It goes thus :

• Varying perfections of varying degrees may be found throughout the universe.
• These degrees assume the existence of an ultimate standard of perfection.
• Therefore, perfection must have a pinnacle.
• This pinnacle is whom we call God.

The Teleological Argument

The teleological argument or argument of "design" (ex fine), which claims that everything in the Universe has a purpose, which must have been caused by God :

• All natural bodies in the world act towards ends.
• These objects are in themselves unintelligent.
• Acting towards an end is characteristic of intelligence.
• Therefore, there exists an intelligent being that guides all natural bodies towards their ends.
• This being is whom we call God.

Therefore, lol.

[KeXasthur]

Originally Posted by xcoder

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof - Christopher Hitchens

You are talking about religion. No Proof. However, everything science has done has been with proof. Science is proof.

[mr_j]

Originally Posted by xcoder

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof - Christopher Hitchens

you are a christian because both your parents are christians
kain is a muslim, amd both his parents are muslims
coincidence?
if your parents were sun worshippers you'd also be one
religion is alive because it is a cycle of parents teaching children, it is not something constant and real and there that people can discover on their own
and you will raise your own kids to be christians, and you will teach them as babies to kiss the pic of what is supposed to be jesus, at the age of 8 bya3emlo "awwal erbéné" you will tell them that God created men with free will, but if we don't do what he says we go to hell
and the cycle will repeat itself

I will tell you why christianity is not logical if you like, with proof
the gospels were written 30 to 90 years after christ, who wrote them? we don't know
40 gospels or so were written, but the church only kept 4, they decided these 4 were true and the rest were not, and they don't mention the other gospels
in the story, jesus's life can be summed up to:" he was born, then he magicaly became 9 years old and got lost in the temple, then he became 18 and performed the first miracle, and then he became 30, he did his famous travels with his disciples and then died" what happened in between?
banned stories

according to the bible the earth was created 3000 years before christ, and that is following the family tree from adam and eve till jesus(they have that in the bible) and the bible also signals that the earth is flat

and for more than a thousand years the earth is flat and the center of the universe, no researches are allowed, and for 1900 years God made adam and eve 3003 BC, until evolution came, and was proven, and proved the adam and eve story wrong and that earth is billion of years old, w halla2 saro yra23o "the bible should not be taken litteraly, the adam and eve story is a symbol etc..."

eh eh ra23o

the adam and eve story is the heart of christianity, adam and eve disobeyed God and were thrown out of the garden, and jesus came to die and wash away that sin
if adam and eve do not exist, then jesus died for nothing, then there was no reason for us to live on this earth, then christianity and the cross have no basis at all


edit: for theists please answer me this
why is it hard to believe that the world just came to be alone,and without a reason. and it is easy to believe that an invisible man like super natural thingy made it out of nothing at some point of his infinite existence and he loves you but he wants to test you and *insert big fat religion story here* and no one created that supernatural God, he came to existence alone

eh God can be existing out of nothing, that makes perfect sense, and we can't see him
but the world can't exist out of nothing

Some things are caused.
Everything that is caused is caused by something else.
An infinite regress of causation is impossible.
Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause of all that is caused.
This causer is what we call God.

or make life simpler and call this causer the big rock that blew up
because that's all that happened, a big rock blew up
end of the genesis story