شو قصّة غسان سعود؟

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Khalas ba2a, i can't get it anymore.
FPM has lot of bullshit in it and lot of things to criticize.

Is FPM sectarian? Yes
Is FPM corrupted (inside)? Yes
Is FPM a traditional Lebanese Party that is looking for "mo7asasa"? Yes
Did FPM join the "game"? Yes

I don't understand la aymata badna ndal mghamdin 3youna w meshyin.
Do you really people know what FPM is by nature?

I am sick of those articles attacking everyone criticizing FPM and accuse him working for someone else.

I know Ghassan Saoud personally and he's pro FPM more than those we see on TV everyday, he is just seeing the reality that FPM is going down and down everyday.

Inno bi osset Gebran Bassil, he's so right, FPM is not about individuals.
Let's get a skilled telecommunication engineer who can fit that place better than Gebran, as long the will and the intention is there nothing is impossible.

Try to see the big picture, FPM is converting to a traditional Lebanese party.

Gebran is an engineer and hes the right man in the right place , You got affected by the mass campaign against gebran , the campaing was so massive that now even you feel that its wrong to put him as a minister again , thought its completely right and nothings wrong with it!!
and still Fpm is the best lebanese political party , no matter how much its going into the game , its all about the law of attraction , it cant stay different , it blends in , its a natural law.

[Rami_s]

Ktar Knows Maroun Nassif, Chou 3emel In LU(2)-Jal El Dib!
I'm Not With Ghassan Ya3ne!

[The Orange Cat]

تجربة التيّار ليست ملكاً له وحده

خالد صاغية
ظهر، أمس، على موقع التيار الوطني الحر مقال يتهجّم على عدد من الزملاء من وسائل إعلاميّة مختلفة، ومن خلفيّات سياسيّة مختلفة. ويحمل التهجّم دعوة لهم كي يكفّ أولئك الصحافيّون عن ملاحقة أخبار التيار الوطني الحرّ. فقد ضاق التيّار أو رئيسه، على ما يبدو، بالصحافة التي تتابع أخباره وتراقبه وتحاسبه.
لو ورد هذا الكلام على لسان صاحبه وحسب، لما كان ليثير اهتماماً. لكنّه، للأسف، يأتي ضمن سلسلة من المواقف «العونيّة» التي يُفهَم منها أنّ التيّار الوطني الحر يحلم بعلاقة غريبة بعض الشيء مع الصحافة: علاقة تجاهُل أو مديح. والتجاهل أفضل بالنسبة إلى التيّار الذي بات يملك محطّة تلفزيونيّة وإذاعة وموقعاً إلكترونياً.
والواقع أنّ الجنرال ميشال عون نادراً ما يخلو مؤتمر صحافي يعقده مِن تهجّم على صحافي أو على وسيلة إعلامية. لكنّ ذلك بدأ يأخذ أبعاداً مختلفة بعد صدور نتائج الانتخابات النيابية الأخيرة. تلك الانتخابات التي جاءت نتائجها أقلّ من توقّعات التيّار، رغم إحرازه عدداً لا بأس به من المقاعد، وزيادة عدد نوّاب تكتّل التغيير والإصلاح.
فقد عمدت وسائل الإعلام التابعة للتيّار، منذ ذلك الحين، إلى تعزية جمهورها ورفع معنويّاته عبر اتّباع نهج غريب. روّجت محطة «أو تي في» مثلاً لـ«كليب» يُظهر صوراً لمن سمّتهم عظماء من التاريخ. وفيما تمرّ صورهم على الشاشة، نسمع تعليقاً يفيد بأنّ العامّة لم تفهم دائماً العظماء، رغم إنجازاتهم التاريخية المهمّة. الصورة الأخيرة بين أولئك العظماء كانت طبعاً... للجنرال ميشال عون.
استمرّت الحملة على هذا المنوال، فظهر سياسيّو التيّار على الشاشات يبشّرون فرادى وجماعات بمعركة الوعي. فخطابهم لم تشُبْه شائبة قبل الانتخابات، لكنّ وعي المواطنين لم يصل بعد إلى الدرجة الكافية لفهم ما يقوم به التيّار وجنراله.
ما ظهر، أمس، على موقع التيّار يشير إلى أنّ هذا التوجّه الخطير لا يزال مستمرّاً لدى التيار وإعلامه. وهذا لا يؤدّي إلا إلى مزيد من تراجع الحسّ النقدي، وصولاً إلى التقوقع على الذات.
لقد طرح التيار نفسه ذات مرّة حركةً سياسيةً حديثةً بعيدة عن الفساد والإقطاع السياسي. وفي فترة ما، تبنّى العلمانيّة وبناء الدولة المدنيّة. ولعلّ هذا ما ميّز التيّار، وجعل تجربته جديرةً بالمتابعة من الإعلام الصديق والخصم على حدّ سواء، وخصوصاً وسط إفلاس الأحزاب التقليديّة أو تحوّلها إلى «لافتات» للعمل السياسي باسم الطائفة. السؤال هو أبعد من ميشال عون ومن التيار الوطني الحر. السؤال هو: هل ما زال هذا البلد قادراً على إنتاج أحزاب؟ هل ما زال العمل السياسي ممكناً بدافع المصلحة العامة؟ التيار الوطني الحر مثّل مختبراً للإجابة عن هذا النوع من الأسئلة. إلا أنّ ثمّة من يريد إقفال المختبر، ووضع المفتاح في جيبه.


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http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/160934

tfaddalo, mabsoutin? how about that now?! badna nerja3 3ala l defense like we spent all 4 years?

نهج غريب. روّجت محطة «أو تي في» مثلاً لـ«كليب» يُظهر صوراً لمن سمّتهم عظماء من التاريخ. وفيما تمرّ صورهم على الشاشة، نسمع تعليقاً يفيد بأنّ العامّة لم تفهم دائماً العظماء، رغم إنجازاتهم التاريخية المهمّة. الصورة الأخيرة بين أولئك العظماء كانت طبعاً... للجنرال ميشال عون.

bonjour! isn't it weird to talk about that jingle after 4 months? that jingle not only reflects the sheer opinion of OTV, but it also reflects how every FPMer sees GMA. i for once see that this ppl does not deserve him and that he doesn't belong with these ignorants. and speaking of ignorance:

لكنّ وعي المواطنين لم يصل بعد إلى الدرجة الكافية لفهم ما يقوم به التيّار وجنراله.

there isn't any FPMer i've spoken with after the elections that didn't mention that. the 1st two words said were: شعب غبي.
hayde manna latshe, hayda fact. we need a miracle to become politically mature and rebuild this country

[hegma]

im against gebran bassil to be the leader of FPM, but and because he is an fpmer im against everyone who is attacking him, beleive it chabeb the worst in fpm is better than the best in other party..

[SysTaMatIcS]

^^ whats wrong with bassil??? cuz hes under attack all the time , and hes the son in law for gma , and gma is accused of choosing him over the others cz hes related?? with all my respect , your blind , bassil is the 2nd strongest man in tayyar , who else is more popular and more connected to the people??

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Gebran is an engineer and hes the right man in the right place , You got affected by the mass campaign against gebran , the campaing was so massive that now even you feel that its wrong to put him as a minister again , thought its completely right and nothings wrong with it!!
and still Fpm is the best lebanese political party , no matter how much its going into the game , its all about the law of attraction , it cant stay different , it blends in , its a natural law.

My opinion is that all ministers should be professional in their fields, Gebran is a civil engineer and that's 3 planet different from a telecommunication engineer. I am not saying Gebran isn't good but he's not the only "good".

FPM is the best Lebanese political party but the margin is getting smaller and smaller and soon enough it will be nothing but another traditional one.

FPM was the best party when it had great untouchable values such as secularism, long-sight targets and social-based ground which is not the case now.

Trust me, i am the least to be affected by any political campaigns even if they were FPM's.

[xcoder]

There are many things people have to understand.
When FPM was formed, it was no way to be compared to any other Lebanese party or organizations . FPM wasn't only a political party, social activities and goals were so important. That's why FPM has always been known as the party of educated people.

You could be anything and support FPM which is not the case now.
Even if FPM remains better than the other parties, its current direction is negative.
Self criticism is a need, we can't live in lala land where we close our eyes and say everything is perfect and "invent" excuses and blame others for our failure.

What were FPM main slogans? Secularism, Reform, Fight corruption.
What's FPM current slogans? Represent the Christians, restore the president authorities

[The Orange Cat]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Self criticism is a need, we can't live in lala land where we close our eyes and say everything is perfect and "invent" excuses and blame others for our failure.

X, 1st go to ur PM and answer my questions, lol
2nd, i'm all for positive criticism bcz it's improving and reviving. but what i strongly oppose is spreading it all over the net and in newspapers, especially if it comes from within. i've read 3 criticizing threads in another forum, inno ma3leish, 3 threads about the same issue???!!!
u and i and every other open-minded FPMer can take any criticism from another FPMer and understand that they have good intentions. but ppl from other parties won't see that and they will bash us 3al tali3 wel nezil. bcz we do that to them if we read such things about them

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by xcoder

There are many things people have to understand.
When FPM was formed, it was no way to be compared to any other Lebanese party or organizations . FPM wasn't only a political party, social activities and goals were so important. That's why FPM has always been known as the party of educated people.

You could be anything and support FPM which is not the case now.
Even if FPM remains better than the other parties, its current direction is negative.
Self criticism is a need, we can't live in lala land where we close our eyes and say everything is perfect and "invent" excuses and blame others for our failure.

What were FPM main slogans? Secularism, Reform, Fight corruption.
What's FPM current slogans? Represent the Christians, restore the president authorities

if they dont carry these slogans, their primary base which comes from the christians mainly would simply dissolve , and you know that , A SECULAR PARTY CANT SURVIVE IN THIS COUNTRY , FPM has to carry a cause and a slogan for the christians in order to survive , and i dont blame them , or else fpm would forever vanish .

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

if they dont carry these slogans, their primary base which comes from the christians mainly would simply dissolve , and you know that , A SECULAR PARTY CANT SURVIVE IN THIS COUNTRY , FPM has to carry a cause and a slogan for the christians in order to survive , and i dont blame them , or else fpm would forever vanish .

LOL, so it's about surviving the party not achieving goals. interesting!

Your claim is wrong, FPM was secular in 2005.

SSNP is a secular party and had its glory, don't tell me a secular party can't survive in this country!

I really can't understand some people, you keep nagging how wrong the situation is in this country but never work on fixing it.
The root of all problems is the rotten sectarian mentality DOT

Ziad rahbany was right when he said "El sha3eb el lebnene ma bya3rif gheir yenza3 el ishia wyerja3 yne2".