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[keke]

i just read the post & well the info provided by the guys is awesome, i dnt think i have anythn more 2 add.
bass i d like to know better about zekra 3achoura, if its okey
coz lyoum rehet 3al jem3a as everyday w i was feelin the christmas jolly & wearin a red shirt fa i ran into alot of ppll wearing black fa 7essayt 7alleeee KTTTTIIIIIIRRRRR misplaced. so l zekra balachit w kam nhar w what is it exactly all the details concerning it.
thanks in advance

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by halhoula

Mary Magdalen is one of the acquaintances of Jesus and she is mentioned in the Bible.
The Story says that she was a prostitutes, and she had 7 or 8 devils in her. So Jesus cured her and exorcised the spirits out of her and she became one of his followers and of course stopped being a prostitute.


N.B. I never studied theology and i'm neither a nun nor a priest; so i'm not 100% sure of my information. So i would appreciate every correction and opinion.

yeah thats the story I asked my uncle ( 3am bya3mel khoureh )

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by keke

i just read the post & well the info provided by the guys is awesome, i dnt think i have anythn more 2 add.
bass i d like to know better about zekra 3achoura, if its okey
coz lyoum rehet 3al jem3a as everyday w i was feelin the christmas jolly & wearin a red shirt fa i ran into alot of ppll wearing black fa 7essayt 7alleeee KTTTTIIIIIIRRRRR misplaced. so l zekra balachit w kam nhar w what is it exactly all the details concerning it.
thanks in advance

check this link here

(long read)

[Kain]

Originally Posted by keke

i just read the post & well the info provided by the guys is awesome, i dnt think i have anythn more 2 add.
bass i d like to know better about zekra 3achoura, if its okey
coz lyoum rehet 3al jem3a as everyday w i was feelin the christmas jolly & wearin a red shirt fa i ran into alot of ppll wearing black fa 7essayt 7alleeee KTTTTIIIIIIRRRRR misplaced. so l zekra balachit w kam nhar w what is it exactly all the details concerning it.
thanks in advance

3ashoura2 owes its name to the fact that its events occured on muharram 10th..عاشر---> عاشوراء

Ideologically speaking...alot can be said about 3ashoura2...such as the fact that it is what allowed shia to live on to this day...and what allowed our beloved religion to live on to this day...as imam khumayni said : "كل ما لدينا هو من عاشوراء" ( hayda l mokhtasar l moufid)

Historically speaking. It goes back to the pact that was arranged between el imam Al Hassan (3alayhi l salam) and mo3awiya....who agreed that the successor after mo3awiya's death is to be el imam al hussein (3s). Mo3awiya however plotted with the imam's wife and poisoned him. And left his son yazeed as successor.

Yazeed was a brutal man, a drunk, who only cared for the pleasures that his power brought and wanted Hussein (3s) to accept him as ruler of Islam. The imam refused and rode to battle with 73 of his companions, along with his family and theirs to Karbala. They were supposed to be backed up by thousands of men from Koufa, they even wrote him letters begging him to come and saying that they will give their lives in his service.

These men were however given titles and lands by yazeed, and were threatened that he would send his army their way. If anything they outnumbered yazeed's army but were frightened by mere claims.

So these men who numbered by the thousands eventually turned on el imam l hussein (3s). And on the 10th of muharram year 61 of hijra....73 men against an army of thousands...they met their death. Even Imam's hussein baby Abdallah received an arrow to his throat, and twitched and met his death in his father's hands.

They were suffering from thirst so Aba l fadl al 3abbas...the imam's brother volunteered to get water for them all. He was pursued by the army on his way back and tried to fight them off. His hands were both cut off. Then the pouch carrying the water was pierced by an arrow ( intentionally of course...those arabs were great marksmen), he also received an arrow in one of his eyes, both his legs were then cut off which caused him to fall off his horse. The imam Son Ali al akbar ( who held a striking resemblance to the prophet) met a similar horrifying death with all his limbs amputated.

This was in no way political. These are the prophet's children and were killed for being the sons of Ali ben abi taleb and his shia, this is confirmed by what Yazeed and his followers said.
The imam was the last man standing. After suffering many wounds he could no longer fight. Shemer ben jawshan lay upon him and slowly sliced his throat and beheaded him. His head was later put on a spear and given to yazeed as a trophy.
edit: As to the imam...Islam could not be ruled by such an incompetent drunk who only cared for women, abusing power, and getting drunk. To the imam this was about preserving Islam as the prophet preached it. Which is why had it not been for the imam's revolution, we would have nothing today. It is thanks to 3ashoura and its morals and lessons that we have our ideology, and we are always reminded to stand up for what is right and die fighting for what we believe in. This is embedded deep within Hezbollah's creed, and the reason behind Hezbollah's success.


No one was spared, even the women were constantly beaten and taken as prisoners, the imam's daughter sukayna eventually died of thirst.

The imam's son and his successor as imam, Ali zayn l 3abideen survived however, he was too ill and was unable to fight, he was taken as a prisoner. He later exposed yazeed.


As to the link that TLK posted: what the hell??

[The Cheese]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

check this link here

(long read)

No no no no no !
1-He asked about 3ashoura as a whole concept...the page you posted shows the importance of fasting during 3ashoura
2-We don't fast el yom el 3asher

[Kain]

Originally Posted by Black_ice

No no no no no !
1-He asked about 3ashoura as a whole concept...the page you posted shows the importance of fasting during 3ashoura
2-We don't fast el yom el 3asher

No he actually posted what the sunnis say about 3ashoura....as in why it was named that way.

[halhoula]

Thanks so much for the useful information Kain, I would like to ask you another question, I heard once a story about some person and a ring. And there was mou3awiya who ploted to remove 2al 2imamou 3ali from el 5ilafa. and there are some quotes from this "أنزع علي من الخلافة كما أنزع هذا الخاتم وأثبت معاوية في الخلافة كما أثبت هذا الخاتم في إصبعي"
Can you please write a lil bit about it, I'm very interested in the Islamic religion as well?

Thanks

[Kain]

Originally Posted by halhoula

Thanks so much for the useful information Kain, I would like to ask you another question, I heard once a story about some person and a ring. And there was mou3awiya who ploted to remove 2al 2imamou 3ali from el 5ilafa. and there are some quotes from this "أنزع علي من الخلافة كما أنزع هذا الخاتم وأثبت معاوية في الخلافة كما أثبت هذا الخاتم في إصبعي"
Can you please write a lil bit about it, I'm very interested in the Islamic religion as well?

Thanks

It all goes back to when 3othman...the 3rd caliph was assassinated. His cousin Mo3awiya ( who was assigned as ruler of bilad al sham) hung his bloody shirt to remind people of that the imam "does not want to pursue Othman's killers". men ekhera ken bado ya3mil fetne...He does not want Ali as Caliph, but wanted the power all to himself.

As to why othman was killed, simply because he was corrupt, and both sunni and shii references bear witness to that. He gave alot of the state's money to his own tribe and kept it from others, and he abused his power.

Moawiya refused to accept the imam as the ruler of Islam, it was only a matter of time before war broke out. It was at the battle of saffin when it happened. Moawiya was about to be vanquished when 3amro ebn l 3as told him to raise the Corans up on the spears and call for a "ta7keem". They shouted calling for it, and some people who were allied to othman in the imam's army also called for it.

بعد أن تم لعلي عليه السلام النصر في موقعة الجمل ، توجه بجيشه لتصفية المعارضة التي يقودها معاوية بن أبي سفيان في الشام ، وتلاقى الجيشان عند الفرات ، وقد حاول الإمام إصلاح الموقف بالوسائل السلمية ، إلا أن رد معاوية على الوفد الذي بعثه إليه الإمام كان : " انصرفوا عني فليس عندي إلا السيف " ( 1 ) .

وهكذا التحم الجيشان ، وعندما لاحت تباشير النصر لصالح جيش الإمام عليه السلام ، دبر معاوية " خدعة المصاحف " ، فأمر جنوده برفع المصاحف على رؤوس الرماح والسيوف ، ومع أن الإمام تصدى لكشف هذه المؤامرة التي يراد بها عرقلة النصر الذي كان وشيكا لصالح جيش الإمام علي عليه السلام ،

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وقد تمثلت هذه الحيلة في تمزيق المصحف ورفع أوراقه على أسنة الرماح أمام جنود الإمام والمطالبة بتحكيمه في الصراع الدائر بينهما . . يقول ابن العاص : فإن أبى بعضهم أن يقبلها وجدت فيهم من يقول ينبغي لنا أن نقبل فتكون فرقة بينهم . وإن قبلوا ما فيها رفعنا القتال عنا إلى أجل . . ( 23 ) .

أن مثل هذا العمل إنما يدل على مدى استخفاف معاوية وابن العاص بكتاب الله فهما لم يفعلا ذلك بهدف تحكيم كتاب الله وإنما بهدف التقاط الأنفاس والوقيعة بين جند الإمام . . ولقد تصدى الإمام بقوة لهذه الخدعة وأصر على استمرار القتال إلا أن أصحاب الهوى وضعاف العقول من جنده طالبوه بالتحكيم ووقف القتال وقبل الإمام هذا الأمر على كراهية وغضب .

وقام معاوية بتنصيب ابن العاص حكما من جهته بينما أوفد جند علي أبو موسى الأشعري بدلا من عبد الله بن عباس الذي كان قد اختاره الإمام

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فلجأ معاوية إلى خدعة رفع المصاحف على رؤوس السيوف والرماح كما أشار عليه عمرو بن العاص ، وبالتعاون مع جماعة في جيش الإمام أغراهم معاوية بالمال . حيث قام أحد

رجال معاوية مناديا " بين الجيشين : الله الله في دمائنا ودمائكم المتبقية ، بيننا وبينكم كتاب الله ، فقام المتآمرون مع معاوية في جيش الإمام بزعامة الأشعث بن قيس مع الذين انطوت

عليهم الخدعة ، لا سيما ذوي القلوب الضعيفة والذين ملوا القتال بمطالبة علي بضرورة وقف الحرب قائلين : ( قد أعطاك معاوية الحق ، ودعاك إلى كتاب الله ، فاقبل منه ) ( 1 ) .

وبهذا انشق جيش الإمام إلى شقين ، وفشلت كل محاولات الإمام بإقناعهم بزيف لعبة المصاحف ، مما اضطره إلى قبول التحكيم .

وقام الأشعث بن قيس وهو الذي ترأس حركة المؤيدين للتحكيم في جيش الإمام بترشيح أبي موسى الأشعري ليكون ممثلا " عن معسكر الإمام في مفاوضات التحكيم ، ولكن الإمام

عارض ذلك قائلا " : ( إن موسى ضعيف عن عمرو [ وهو ممثل معسكر الأمويين ] ومكائده . . . وإنه ليس بثقة ، وقد فارقني وخذل الناس عني يوم الجمل ] ( 2 ) .

وكان الإمام أيضا " قد عزله قبل ذلك عن ولاية الكوفة بعد تسلمه مهام الخلافة . ومع إصرار الأشعث وجماعته عليه ، ورفضهم رأي الإمام بإسناد مهمة تمثيل معسكر الإمام في التفاوض

إلى عبد الله بن عباس أو مالك الأشتر، لم يجد الإمام مناصا " من القبول واحتساب الأمر إلى الله قائلا " : فاصنعوا ما أردتم . ثم وقع الفريقان وثيقة التحكيم الأولية تعهدا بها التوقف عن

القتال لغاية ظهور نتيجة التحكيم . وقد اجتمع الحكمان بعد هذه الموقعة بثمانية شهور في دومة الجندل ومع كل منهما أربعمئة من صحبه . وبعد أيام من المفاوضات قبل عمرو بن العاص

اقتراح أبي موسى الأشعري بخلع كل من علي ومعاوية ، وتعيين عبد الله بن عمر - والذي لم يكن حاضرا " آنذاك - إماما " للأمة بدلا " منهما ( ! ) ثم قاما ليعلنا للحضور نتيجة التحكيم

، فبدأ أبو موسى الأشعري ، وهو صهر عبد الله بن عمر قائلا " : ( إن هذه الفتنة قد أكلت العرب ، وإني رأيت وعمرو أن نخلع عليا " ومعاوية ، ونجعلها لعبد الله بن عمر ، فإنه لم

يبسط في هذه الحرب يدا " ولا لسانا " ) . ثم قام ابن العاص خاطبا " : ( أيها الناس ، هذا أبو موسى شيخ المسلمين ، وحكم أهل العراق، ومن لا يبيع الدين بالدنيا ، قد خلع عليا " وأنا أثبت معاوية ) ، فاختلط الناس ، وعمت الفوضى ، وتشاتم الحكمان بأخس الكلمات . ثم انصرف عمرو ومن معه إلى معاوية بالشام ، ولحق أبو موسى بمكة ، ورجع من كان بصحبته إلى الكوفة ) Source

One of them demanded in public that both be removed so that his cousin would seize power, while 3amro demanded in public that the imam be removed and that mo3awiya be appointed caliph. Naturally the imam did not give mo3awiya any rule. The events of that battle led to a great division. Moawiya would not give away his power. Some of the imam's followers claimed that he was not deem to rule and that he went against the will of God for not moving on with the fight that day. These are known as the khawarej. 3abdulrahman ben moljam, the imam's assassin, who killed him during his prayer, was one of the khawarej.


Edit: The war however did not stop. Eventually he had to suppress these khawarej as well and fight against them.

خطبة الإمام علي ( عليه السلام ) بعد التحكيم يوم صفين

قال ( عليه السلام ) : ( الْحَمْدُ للهِ ، وَإنْ أَتَى الدَّهْرُ بِالْخَطْبِ الْفَادِحِ ، وَالْحَدَثِ الْجَلِيلِ ، وَأَشْهَدُ أَنْ لاَ إِلهَ إِلاّ اللهُ ، لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ , لَيْسَ مَعَهُ إِلهٌ غَيْرُهُ ، وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّداً عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ .
أَمَّا بَعْدُ ، فَإِنَّ مَعْصِيَةَ النَّاصِحِ الشَّفِيقِ الْعَالِمِ الُْمجَرِّبِ تُورِثُ الْحَسْرَةَ ، وَتُعْقِبُ النَّدَامَةَ ، وَقَدْ كُنْتُ أَمَرْتُكُمْ في هذِهِ الْحُكُومَةِ أَمْرِي ، وَنَخَلْتُ لَكُمْ مَخزُونَ رَأْيِي ، لَوْ كَانَ يُطَاعُ لِقَصِيرٍ أَمْرٌ ! فَأَبَيْتُمْ عَلَيَّ إِبَاءَ الْمُخَالِفِينَ الْجُفَاةِ ، وَالْمُنَابِذِينَ الْعُصَاةِ ، حَتَّى ارْتَابَ النَّاصِحُ بِنُصْحِهِ ، وَضَنَّ الزَّنْدُ بِقَدْحِهِ ، فَكُنْتُ وَإِيَّاكُمْ كَمَا قَالَ أَخُو هَوَازِنَ :
أَمَرْتُكُمُ أَمْري بِمُنْعَرَجِ اللِّوَى ** فَلَمْ تَسْتَبِينُوا النُّصْحَ إِلاَّ ضُحَى الْغَدِ
ألا ؟ إنّ هذين الرجلين ـ عمرو بن العاص وأبا موسى الأشعري ـ اللذين اخترتموهما حكمين ، قد نبذا حكم القرآن وراء ظهورهما ، وأحييا ما أمات القرآن ، وأماتا ما أحيى القرآن ، واتبع كل واحد منهما هواه بغير هدى من الله ، فحكما بغير حجّة بيّنة ، ولا سنّة ماضية ، واختلفا في حكمهما ، وكلاهما لم يرشد ، فبرئ الله منهما ورسوله وصالح المؤمنين ، واستعدّوا وتأهبوا للمسير إلى الشام ) .

edit:
The war with mo3awiya never stopped. The imam al Hassan, the son of imam ali was still at war with him as i previously mentioned.

[keke]

thanks for the info it really helped
like 6 years ago at school we watched a movie about the beginning of islam bass ma rakazt ktir 3lei wa2ta (i was still young) bass i forgot the name. its a 4 hours movie w it also shows the fight 3al 3achoura2. if u know the name of it or u actually have it i d appreciate if u d upload it
thanks

[Kain]

Originally Posted by keke

thanks for the info it really helped
like 6 years ago at school we watched a movie about the beginning of islam bass ma rakazt ktir 3lei wa2ta (i was still young) bass i forgot the name. its a 4 hours movie w it also shows the fight 3al 3achoura2. if u know the name of it or u actually have it i d appreciate if u d upload it
thanks

No i don't know about it sorry...If there is ever a vcoderz meeting that you'll attend i'll make sure to send a movie about 3ashoura2 your way though